I wonder who was talking to me?

I am self a religious muslim, And I have a teori, that not necessery is wright, but I think it is.
We muslims belive that we never die for sure, only our body, but our soul continues the life, either in hell or in heaven. Guessing on those things you have seen, I think as many others on this thread that you was in hell.
Hell is deep under ground, and its explains why you ware walking that long way down. Color red symbolises blood, fire, and it's explains why at first the whole room you ware in, was all red at the beginning, and it's to let you know where you ware at. Then you saw people in the blood river or somethink, they ware a souls who served their punishments. I don't even dare to comment on what was the noise, but one think is sure, that what ever you are doing to become a better human being it's not woking for you, And this second chance you ware given, don't take it for granted cause chance of to being that lucky is 1 out 1000000. You ware given second chance to prove that your are worthy of heaven, and may the merciful Allah show you the way.

Ass for them whoo is writting that there is no fire in hell, only ice, i would suggest to them that they wright "I think" before the sentence, cause is not true. I am sorry for my language mistakes, after all English is my fourth language.

Originally posted by boorkii
Hell is deep under ground, and its explains why you ware walking that long way down.

This is interesting. It means that when we develop the technology, if we don't already have it, we could drill down there and free everyone.

Haha, god luck i would say.
You don't have to take it literally. We didn't found a heaven when we learned to travel into space.
You only gonna find it out when you die

Besides why do you wana free them, who deserves to be there?

Originally posted by boorkii
Besides why do you wana free them, who deserves to be there?

You really think that people deserve to be tortured for all of eternity? What is wrong with you? Just because you are taught that your god thinks it is ok, you can't decide for yourself that it is insane to torture someone forever just because they aren't perfect like their god supposedly is? You're saying that a man who has done nothing wrong his entire life, except not be perfect, is deserving of eternal torture because he doesn't believe in gods or more specific the correct god?

If my son disobeys me, would it be ok for me to torture him for 10 hours by holding his hand down on a stove burner as a punishment? If not, how about 1 hour? 10 minutes? 10 seconds? Is there any time limit which would make it ok to torture him? If not, how is it ok in your mind for your god to torture people forever? Because he has the might, he has the right?

Originally posted by boorkii
Haha, god luck i would say.
You don't have to take it literally. We didn't found a heaven when we learned to travel into space.
You only gonna find it out when you die

You know why they didn't find a heaven? It's because it isn't real. Just like hell. Let me ask you this, how can people be in hell or heaven when their bodies are buried in the ground?

Originally posted by Hydroman

Originally posted by boorkii
Besides why do you wana free them, who deserves to be there?

You really think that people deserve to be tortured for all of eternity? What is wrong with you? Just because you are taught that your god thinks it is ok, you can't decide for yourself that it is insane to torture someone forever just because they aren't perfect like their god supposedly is? You're saying that a man who has done nothing wrong his entire life, except not be perfect, is deserving of eternal torture because he doesn't believe in gods or more specific the correct god?

If my son disobeys me, would it be ok for me to torture him for 10 hours by holding his hand down on a stove burner as a punishment? If not, how about 1 hour? 10 minutes? 10 seconds? Is there any time limit which would make it ok to torture him? If not, how is it ok in your mind for your god to torture people forever? Because he has the might, he has the right?

edit on 21-6-2011 by Hydroman because: (no reason given)

Easy now, don't you think that you getting little to excited about a topic you don't even belive in? I am sure of everybody that don't deserve to be in hell are not in it, definetly not good people. Make some research about, who is running the hell, cause definetly not God, he runs heaven, and have nothing do with tortures that happening in hell.

Originally posted by Hydroman

Originally posted by boorkii
Haha, god luck i would say.
You don't have to take it literally. We didn't found a heaven when we learned to travel into space.
You only gonna find it out when you die

You know why they didn't find a heaven? It's because it isn't real. Just like hell. Let me ask you this, how can people be in hell or heaven when their bodies are buried in the ground?

Because the human bodies don't go to heaven or hell, human soul does

Originally posted by boorkii

Originally posted by Hydroman

Originally posted by boorkii
Besides why do you wana free them, who deserves to be there?

You really think that people deserve to be tortured for all of eternity? What is wrong with you? Just because you are taught that your god thinks it is ok, you can't decide for yourself that it is insane to torture someone forever just because they aren't perfect like their god supposedly is? You're saying that a man who has done nothing wrong his entire life, except not be perfect, is deserving of eternal torture because he doesn't believe in gods or more specific the correct god?

If my son disobeys me, would it be ok for me to torture him for 10 hours by holding his hand down on a stove burner as a punishment? If not, how about 1 hour? 10 minutes? 10 seconds? Is there any time limit which would make it ok to torture him? If not, how is it ok in your mind for your god to torture people forever? Because he has the might, he has the right?

edit on 21-6-2011 by Hydroman because: (no reason given)

Easy now, don't you think that you getting little to excited about a topic you don't even belive in? I am sure of everybody that don't deserve to be in hell are not in it, definetly not good people. Make some research about, who is running the hell, cause definetly not God, he runs heaven, and have nothing do with tortures that happening in hell.

Lol, I'm not getting excited. I'm trying to make a logical statement. Alright, who does the torturing in hell? The devil and the demons? Aren't they supposed to be getting punished and tortured in hell too? If they are getting punished and tortured, then how are they also doing the punishing? If they are not getting punished, then what is that all about? Lol.

But you believe that if you're good and don't believe in any gods, you can still get into heaven? Never heard that one before.

God has created hell, he point out the angels that should run it, but he don't interfere in there jobs, he runs heaven.
You semed to be realy intrested in the religion, if you wan't information that is way more reliable then those you getting from me, i suggest you begin to take religion clases by Imam, he can answer all your sceptical questions. But no non belivers will not go in heaven, but hey what do you care huh,? you don't belive in hell or heaven anyway

Originally posted by boorkii
Because the human bodies don't go to heaven or hell, human soul does

What is a human soul?

Originally posted by boorkii
God has created hell, he point out the angels that should run it, but he don't interfere in there jobs, he runs heaven.
You semed to be realy intrested in the religion, if you wan't information that is way more reliable then those you getting from me, i suggest you begin to take religion clases by Imam, he can answer all your sceptical questions. But no non belivers will not go in heaven, but hey what do you care huh,? you don't belive in hell or heaven anyway

Ok, so god appoints angels to run hell for him, therefore he doesn't have anything to do with the torturing, right? So, when George W. Bush sent troops to Iraq, he has nothing to do with the killings of innocent lives, because he wasn't involved directly, right? He didn't run Iraq, he ran the United States. So, it's not his problem who was killed over there.

Originally posted by boorkii
But no non belivers will not go in heaven, but hey what do you care huh,? you don't belive in hell or heaven anyway

No I don't. But, I like people to make me think, and I like to make people think.

reply to post by Hydroman


I don't understand your sort of atheist. You sitting there behind your screen, and whenever you borried you just begin critisise religion, the way we live, our god and ideals. And yet you sit there and complaning about you are not welcome in heaven when you die? Dude you don't even belive in it,, how can you be pissed of about it?

This thread started by a guy whoo needed advise, and we to made it almost our own by changing the topic complete. If you wan't critisice religion further then find some other beliver to diskuss with.So therfore i will stop wasting my time, and this is my last comment on this thread

Originally posted by boorkii
reply to post by Hydroman

 

I don't understand your sort of atheist. You sitting there behind your screen, and whenever you borried you just begin critisise religion, the way we live, our god and ideals. And yet you sit there and complaning about you are not welcome in heaven when you die? Dude you don't even belive in it,, how can you be pissed of about it?

This thread started by a guy whoo needed advise, and we to made it almost our own by changing the topic complete. If you wan't critisice religion further then find some other beliver to diskuss with.So therfore i will stop wasting my time, and this is my last comment on this thread

Hey, I'm just searching for truth, and trying to use logic to do so. I like to ask questions to see why people believe the way they do, and if it doesn't make sense to me, then I try to figure out why it makes sense to you.

You've told me things that don't make sense, so I question it.

I believe you. Your story is in fact tame compared to some I've read. According to what was spoken to you, the evidence suggests it was in fact - Yeshuah/Jesus.

Here are a few things to keep in mind. People who have near death experiences often note that they have heightened senses; sight, hearing, smell, taste and touch. Absent from your experience are the last three. Realistically if one was to decsend into a lava chamber you are gonna feel the heat and smell the smell. An actual lava chamber would incinerate you as you approached. Too, you need to consider if a human body was to immerse into a pool of lava - they are not gonna resurface. It's very possible what you witnessed was a place of purification. It's just a guess but I've had quite a few experiences myself in the forms of external/internal visions and dreams (that are by far not your normal/typical dream) and I've not had a near death experience. What I have experienced is the baptism of the Holy Spirit, which is the most extraordinary exquisite phenomena I've yet encountered, where everything else pales in comparison.

People need to understand that to come into the presence of him who is Holy, they must be purified. I'm definately not catholic but they are totally clued in when it comes to this teaching of a place of purification. Fire has two forms; physical and spiritual. Obviously you have no need for a lesson on things physical, so what you were shown was in fact a spiritual lesson. Since you didn't recognize what was spoken to you, I take it you are not well versed in biblical knowledge, but I hope you realize just how important you obviously are to them above. That was a long time to be dead, you were brought back from the brink, so clearly you are of vast importance. I'm sure it would have been preferred if you had figured this out in advance but sometimes it takes people an experience such as this to realize their worth. All are worth so much but many don't realize it.

When Moses encountered the burning bush, he was told to step out of his sandals because the very ground he was standing on was Holy. His shoes were a barrier and they had to go. For us who follow Jesus we also believe and trust in the words of John the Baptist, who according to Jesus is the greatest person ever born of a woman. Jesus said, that he himself is the light, but he also taught that John was a light. John baptized Jesus, yet said he needed to be baptized himself by Jesus - but you see there are some who are first, who will be last and according to Jesus, the least will become the greatest. According to Jesus, John the Baptist is the least in the kingdom. I've read a lot of material and there actually could be something to the two Messiah theory found within the Dead Sea Scrolls, where there is a king messiah from the line of David and a priestly messiah from the line of Aaron. Jesus and John could potentially fulfill the prophecies of those scrolls. What's so crazy is that one scroll (I believe it's the one dealing with the messianic banquet) has the kingly messiah yielding to the priestly messiah. I digress so let's get back on track.

John stated that one would come after him who would baptize with fire and spirit and this is the great hope of all who follow after Jesus. Our bodies are a temple meant to be dwelled in by Him but it must be cleansed. One of the high mysteries (not taught too much today) is the washing of feet. Jesus says if he doesn't wash us, we can't have a part with him. God created a blacksmith to remove the impurites inside us and be made unto a tool to properly work for him. It's everyones choice - be cleansed here or be cleansed there. Being a follower of the Messiah isn't an easy task but there are reasons for all the affliction and we learn patience in the process. To be honest, there are some things even I don't get, but I forge on because I've had a taste of the goodnees and love.

The way I see it you have two choices. You can do nothing with the knowledge you've been given or you can forge on. Those who have been given something will be given more.

The ball is in your court.

Originally posted by Myrtales Instinct


People need to understand that to come into the presence of him who is Holy, they must be purified.

Was Satan purified when he went into the presence of god to talk with him about Job? Isn't it silly that this omnipotent god would require such a thing? He has all this power but he can't take it if there is evil in his presence, except for when he meets with Satan I guess.

Originally posted by Hydroman

Originally posted by Myrtales Instinct


People need to understand that to come into the presence of him who is Holy, they must be purified.

Was Satan purified when he went into the presence of god to talk with him about Job? Isn't it silly that this omnipotent god would require such a thing? He has all this power but he can't take it if there is evil in his presence, except for when he meets with Satan I guess.

I didn't use the word evil in my post, so try not to twist my words to fit your thoughts. I'm referring to things of a spiritual nature, specifically the element fire as a cleansing mechanism, that is utilized by the Holy Spirit. The element water is also used in it's spiritual form, where it is the foundation for eternal life.

I suggest you take your issues and questions up with God when your appointed time comes.Lol

reply to post by Hydroman

He has all this power but he can't take it if there is evil in his presence, except for when he meets with Satan I guess.

That comes from Job which may be the oldest book in the Bible.
I think that back in that time, Satan would have seemed like more of a nuisance than anything.
Once he showed his true nature with the crucifixion of Christ, he has not been allowed back to heaven.