GOP House To Cut Aid For Pregnant Women, Children While Spending $17 Billion More On Defense

reply to post by inforeal


Wrong....Do some research. It means the welfare of STATES not of individuals.

"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constitutents." - James Madison, regarding an appropriations bill for French refugees, 1794

"With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." - James Madison, Letter to James Robertson, April 20, 1831 _Madison_ 1865, IV, pages 171-172

"Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated." - Thomas Jefferson

'Defense' is a euphemism for 'mass murder'.

reply to post by VAPatriot


States are made up of flesh and blood human beings who often SUFFER through no fault of there own because the institutions in a modern society fail to provide them with opportunities.

That is the general welfare [the well being of the citizens of the states inside the country] the constitution in referring to, not only an entity like a state.

When the travails of modern institutional society don’t provide the ways and means of its citizens a good living, then it is the responsibility of the government (elected by the people for the people) to intervene and provide an atmosphere for the “GENERAL WELFARE” of all its citizens, particularly the most vulnerable.

Of course that’s if you have any empathy or compassion for your fellow citizens, something the writers of the constituion did.

Good. The national government is not in the business of giving handouts to citizens who should be responsible for themselves. It IS responsible for the national defense. If you want to achieve these ends at the state or even the city level, go ahead and do that, but one of the biggest issues the nation faces is to stop being the sugar daddy for everyone who wants a handout. The national government should not be a welfare state.

thats funny

the way i read general welfare was congress was given power to levy tax to fund the government so that it can function.

and it was never meant to be sit on your butt for your life and make everyone else pay for your exisitence.

wow just wow.

Originally posted by schuyler
Good. The national government is not in the business of giving handouts to citizens who should be responsible for themselves. It IS responsible for the national defense. If you want to achieve these ends at the state or even the city level, go ahead and do that, but one of the biggest issues the nation faces is to stop being the sugar daddy for everyone who wants a handout. The national government should not be a welfare state.

So you think the national government's sole duty is to provide national defense huh? Last time I read the Unites States Constitution, it started something like this;

constitutionus.com...

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Sounds to me like national defense is only one of five duties of the national government. You might like to have it your way, but it just ain't so.

reply to post by the owlbear

Money does equal caring in this instance since it is being used to feed hungry children. How does that make me materialistic? I'll gladly give it to the kids FOR FOOD rather than keep it for my own "materialistic" wants.

As would I. I would give it directly to the hungry kid and/or their parents in the form of food purchased for them(which I have done). This is called CHARITY. CHARITY is listed nowhere in the Constitution as a function of government. CHARITY has long been understood as the province of individuals, churches, and PRIVATE GROUPS. I object to having my income forcibly seized and redistributed(very inefficiently) by the government. Lower taxes means more money in my pocket that I can use(partially) to help those I see in need.

Originally posted by inforeal
reply to post by VAPatriot

 

States are made up of flesh and blood human beings who often SUFFER through no fault of there own because the institutions in a modern society fail to provide them with opportunities.

That is the general welfare [the well being of the citizens of the states inside the country] the constitution in referring to, not only an entity like a state.

When the travails of modern institutional society don’t provide the ways and means of its citizens a good living, then it is the responsibility of the government (elected by the people for the people) to intervene and provide an atmosphere for the “GENERAL WELFARE” of all its citizens, particularly the most vulnerable.

Of course that’s if you have any empathy or compassion for your fellow citizens, something the writers of the constituion did.

That is a whole other topic. Should the several states desire to adopt socialistic programs, I see nothing to stop them from doing so. It is at the federal level that I see serious Constitutional issues.

Originally posted by the owlbear

Originally posted by macman

I simply used your own words against you. Don't like it tough. You're the one who is so greedy he can't fathom the thought of a little waste when a life might be saved by nurturing food. How much is a life worth? That smell isn't my excrement or my words it's the smell of your soul rotting from the inside you cheap bastard.

Wow, you sure show your true colors.
And your ignorance as well.
Never said people aren't worth MY charity, MY time, MY donation, MY help or MY effort.
I said that the broken Govt system is just that, broken yet wants more and more money to operate in the broken state.

And no, you did not use my words against me. You added nothing of value to your retort, nor did you come close to anything except "Macman hates kids, kills people, wants kids to die, is greedy and a cheap bastard".
The only thing left really is for you to call me a poo-poo head.

But I guess as long as you feel good about yourself, having obviously contributed greatly to society as a whole by responding with non-sense and paying your taxes to feed people, you should sleep better tonight.

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What of value did you add? You called me a materialist for wanting to help those in need, strangely enough, then said you want to cut spending. I agreed with you that spending needs to be cut, but not at the expense of feeding disadvantaged children and that the Pentagon didn't need another 17 billion. Then I was called a bleeding heart and simply pointed out that I at least care for children. How this all denigrated into what it did is why this country is in trouble...we both can't do anything about it, yet we're acting like asses because of it. You will pay your taxes and money will go to things we don't like. I'll get up tomorrow and play with my kids and enjoy life regardless.

Ok, so I did not call you a materialist. I stated your ridiculous idea that Money=Caring was materialistic.
You called yourself a bleeding heart, I just echoed your statement.
Funny how you have such issues with your taxes going to the Military, yet are perfectly fine with it going to bloated corrupt programs that are broken, and ask for more money.
I know that all spending needs to be cut, even the Military.
It is always different for people of your mindset. You live and govern on pure emotion, with no logic.
You can't feed the hungry when the bank is empty. You can't get blood out of a radish. You can't drink water when the well is dry. Yet, you like to think that the money supplying these broken programs grows on trees.
Oh wait, I forgot, the Govt will just print more. Huh, forgetful of me.
And no, you really did not agree that spending needed to be cut across the board. You want all spending in regards to defense cut, to feed the children.

I hang my head very low for your kids. As they will grow up being taught that the Govt will provide and take care of them. When you fail, Nanny Govt will be there to pick up the pieces and that a 40-50% tax burden will be the norm and they will be comfortable with this, so long as Nanny Govt takes care of them.

The Country is not in trouble due to individual compassion. It is in decline due to the Govt and Politicians being compassionate with other peoples money. Whether it be in Welfare, Community Organizing, Nation Building or what have you, it is still other peoples money.

Originally posted by inforeal
reply to post by macman

 

You live in the society and benefit from what it provides, don’t you? Like police, firemen, roads, bridges.

Therefore if the government decides to use tax money sometimes to aid its citizens when the society’s institutions fail them, then that is in the interest of all.

Do you complain that the government takes your money and use it to kill people overseas? Yet you complain when they use it to feed starving children.

Are you a human being?

That is why I am forced to pay taxes for emergency services. I pay Gas tax for roads and such.
And no, when the Govt decides to use it for social programs, it does not benefit all. It benefits those that receive it, and takes money out of my wallet.
No matter how it is spun, it is still and always will be taking from me to give to someone else.

Yes, I do complain that the Govt uses tax money to fight foreign countries fights. Nice assumption though. You fail.

No, I am not a human, I am a meat Popsicle.

Originally posted by inforeal
reply to post by VAPatriot

 

Preamble to the Constitution:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


Read the words: PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE


People who live in the same society as you do will affect you eventually--positively or negatively, therefore it is in the interest of the government and the people in this society to make sure as much as possible that people have a decent life.

GENERAL WELFARE!

General Welfare does not mean welfare for people.
Thomas Jefferson explained the latter general welfare clause for the United States: “[T]he laying of taxes is the power, and the general welfare the purpose for which the power is to be exercised. They [Congress] are not to lay taxes ad libitum for any purpose they please; but only to pay the debts or provide for the welfare of the Union. In like manner, they are not to do anything they please to provide for the general welfare, but only to lay taxes for that purpose.”

I fail to see where it states "To provide handouts, money, food and housing for people".

Another failure for you.

Originally posted by EternalSkeptic

Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by jimmyx

Originally posted by bandito
If they can't afford a kid and can't take care of a kid then don't have a kid . Somewhere there has to be personal responsibility without the expectation that every tax payer is going to be the parent of someone elses kid . How about tracking down the fathers , if the mothers even know who they are . It's been a scam for decades . Keep popping kids and the welfare check gets bigger and then turn the kids loose on the streets .

Nope, it is just very simple. Stop giving them funds to live. Require them to work like the rest of everyone else.

you obviously do not have a clue what WIC is. this thread is about WIC which is not regular "welfare". it is a SUPPLEMENTAL program which gives families LESS THAN $100 in vouchers. NOT CASH. and some people DO work like everyone else and also receive WIC. so what ELSE should they do?

Yes, I do understand what WIC is.
It is still providing something for nothing.
The WIC program provides an electronic card that the person can use to buy items like Milk, Baby Formula and so on.
It is still taking from someone to provide for another.

reply to post by Avenginggecko


Good post.........starred and flagged.

Now, read my location and research more deeply, the COMPANIES that profit from the American War Machine.

And most of these jobs, while American Companies, are now operating on foreign soil (non Americans making low wages for corporate executives to make big profits).

Lastly, when I joined ATS four years ago, I did not choose my location name lightly.

Of the People and For the People is an illusion as is our voting system.

We are a nation, soon planet that is governed by the large corporations.

A slave that does not realize they are enslaved will not rebel.

A prisioner that does not realize they are imprisioned will not try to escape.

Welcome to the Matrix.

Originally posted by Avenginggecko
GOP House To Cut Aid For Pregnant Women, Children While Spending $17 Billion More On Defense

Today, the Republican-controlled House will begin another onslaught on programs designed to help low-income and middle class families. The GOP quite literally wants to take food from the mouths of children, cutting $47 billion — or 10 percent — from domestic programs, to pay for more defense spending. In negotiations to reach a debt ceiling compromise, Republicans have declared defense cuts “off the table,” even though Pentagon spending is notoriously bloated and Secretary of Defense Gates and other top generals have admitted spending should be curtailed

Link to Story

Essential programs on the chopping block include the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants and Children (WIC) and Commodity Supplemental Food programs, which both help low-income people get nutritional food. Hundreds of thousands of people will be cut from the programs if House Republicans get their way. WIC “provides healthy foods like milk, eggs and infant formula to about 9 million poor mothers and pregnant women and their children,” and would absorb a $868 million cut under the GOP bill, which falls $1.3 billion short of what’s needed to adequately fund the program with food prices on the rise.

There you go folks - the brilliance of GOP policy in action. We are in the worst economic downtown since the Great Depression and the GOP guts food programs for infants and pregnant women while increasing the budget so that the Pentagon can continue useless wars against manufactured enemies.

We have millions of underemployed and unemployed who depend on these programs as the only real means of getting their children nutritional food and not overprocessed, poisoned GMO crap that's peddled on the value menu of American fast food chains.

The GOP and Faux-Tea Party members scream and moan about the deficit and American debt and have the audacity to claim they are trying to get people back to work - and then gut the only programs that help them and their infant children to survive while they search for jobs or scrape together money to make ends meet.

This is the world of the modern GOP: Banana Republics where 98% of the population has nothing and no way to protect themselves from the next time the Corporatists rape the economy and steal more wealth from hard working lower and middle class citizens. Where endless tax cuts for the top 2% supposedly spur job growth that benefits everyone - but never really does (don't worry, it's just around the corner!)

All you have to do is stop feeding your family, make sure you can't afford health insurance and can never retire, let your roads and bridges turn into dirt, completely obliterate your educational system, and stop organizing to protect yourself from corporate overreach. Then those magical tax cuts will start raining down jobs and happiness on everyone!

Oh, we need to increase the deficit a little - sorry about all those cuts, but there are a lot of people on the other side of the world we need to bomb. Tell your kids we said hi!

This is what the welfare state looks like:

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I'll let your eyes determine who exactly is the real welfare queen of the United States of America.

The GOP believes in gender equality. Men who become homeless because of child support/alimony are told they should of kept their pants up, so the same logic should apply to women as well.

If a custodial parent isn't financially fit they shouldn't have custody, simple as that. Why should America's taxpayers pay for someone to play house?

That's the GOP for you.

That's why I am so conservative fiscally but I can never vote for the GOP.

It's like "We're PRO-LIFE" Chestbeat. Biblebeat. Childbeat.
PRO-LIFE - hear? We don't kill babies!

We need em for our armies. Takes about 17-18 years for our harvest.
Sex is bad. Make war.

Originally posted by hadriana
That's the GOP for you.

That's why I am so conservative fiscally but I can never vote for the GOP.

It's like "We're PRO-LIFE" Chestbeat. Biblebeat. Childbeat.
PRO-LIFE - hear? We don't kill babies!

We need em for our armies. Takes about 17-18 years for our harvest.
Sex is bad. Make war.

The GOP is for gender equality. Men's only option is condoms or keeping their pants up and praying they don't pass out drunk at a party and get raped(already happened where a lady raped a guy at a party who was passed out drunk for his sperm so she could save money by not going to a sperm bank and collect child support[witnesses testified and if I remember correctly she admitted as much in court. The Judge and cop's refused to do anything and the guy still had to pay]).

Or are people/feminist's/women telling lies when they said they wanted gender equality?