Syrian Army deserter: 'We were ordered to shoot on the people'

Syrian Army deserter: 'We were ordered to shoot on the people'

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"The first day they didn't tell us anything, just that there are gangs out there, trying to kill people," says Fidou. "When we went to the streets, we were surprised to find only people with olive branches."

Commanders "were ordering us to shoot at the people, and if we didn't shoot we would be killed," recounts Fidou. Snipers were placed to shoot at possible deserters.

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Why are the soldiers attacking the citizens so blatantly? Isn't this a peaceful demonstration? Or have
those troops been attacked?

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Now there are increasing reports of armed resistance to Syrian soldiers and security forces, most recently in the northwestern town of Jisr al-Shughur, where the regime claims 120 of its personnel were killed over the weekend.

It is justified then? Firing on the citizens protesting? These protesters are attacking the troops so that leaves them no choice but to fire back. Is it the protesters in the streets firing on and killing troops?

The opposition protesters insist the movement remains peaceful, however. Any clashes occurring, they say, are between troops loyal to the regime and conscripted soldiers who have mutinied in sympathy with the protesters.

“We know that some military personnel have joined with the citizens and are staying with them in their houses because they refused to shoot the people,” says a Beirut-based Syrian activist with the Local Coordination Committees, an opposition clearing house for information from Syria. Speaking on condition of anonymity for security reasons, she added that the opposition has amassed numerous eyewitness accounts of soldiers being shot by security forces for disobeying orders to open fire on protesters.

The soldiers body count mounts up but that seems largely due to their own security forces that are killing ther soldiers that hesitate to fire into the crowds. Not something that could happen with US troops not on any large scale.

US soldiers have largely lost their compassion for humanity. That really is not fair to say though, it is the American people that have largely lost their compassion. Extended family units hardly exist anymore. Your neighbor doesn't matter squat, he's just another one weighing-down society, the reason your taxes are going up. We don't view our neighbors as friends these days, they are just burdens on society and are hardly worth the effort to say hello to. Ordered to take him out, it is done without hesitation. And foreigners? A greater potential threat, they don't fit the American ideals and way of life. Kill them all!

What are they protesting? It doesn't matter, does it?

- Just in case it is not obvious, I am being sarcastic. It took me leaving the US to realize how jaded we have become.


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reply to post by Erongaricuaro


To be honest, it's so damn hard to really get a grasp on what's going on..
So many different stories are coming out..

Here we go again...

I think this will turn to another front we will end up fighting sadly.

when will we ever experience peace as a whole...

The unintended revolution.

The Mossad are terrified that the Syrian regime will be overthrown.... They had nothing to do with this one... But if the Assad regime falls, the secure border with Israel will be under the control of a liberated Islamic people and government.

Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by Erongaricuaro

 

To be honest, it's so damn hard to really get a grasp on what's going on..
So many different stories are coming out..

Right, I haven't been able to get that straight. High taxes? Intrusive government? Draconian laws? Corrupt leadership that is mis-using the country's resources? What the heck, that's the way it is everywhere. Quit protesting and get used to it, right?

- More sarcasm

reply to post by Fractured.Facade


Israel doesn't like it? If they're worried then it looks like we have another new front. Feel a draft? I doubt it, America is full of gung-ho patriots that will put those Islamic devils in their place because they don't think like us. I don't buy that line of reasoning but it plays well on Faux.

reply to post by Erongaricuaro

Quit protesting and get used to it, right?

No, please don't take me wrong..
I'm all for the "people" protesting for freedom..
I just hope it is the "people" orchestrating it..

Originally posted by backinblack
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Quit protesting and get used to it, right?

No, please don't take me wrong..
I'm all for the "people" protesting for freedom..
I just hope it is the "people" orchestrating it..

Exactly, I feel the people have a right to protest and make their complaints known. I do realize there are factions that create instability though, sometimes it is the government, someone else's govenment, or someone else with an agenda. I would hope it is the people's movement and they receive some positive results. I know there are others watching this that have their own agenda in mind also.

- I felt a need to go back and insert a disclaimer that I was being sarcastic in my earlier comments. Sometimes I find others that don't find it quite as obvious as I had intended.

Originally posted by Erongaricuaro
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Israel doesn't like it? If they're worried then it looks like we have another new front. Feel a draft? I doubt it, America is full of gung-ho patriots that will put those Islamic devils in their place because they don't think like us. I don't buy that line of reasoning but it plays well on Faux.

I assure you, the very last thing the Israelis want to see happen, is for the Assad regime to fall in Syria.

If that happens, it will be a "game changer" in the ME.

Assad thought he could create enough fear within the Syrian people that they would simply give up, go home and on with their lives.

Problem is, this all began with some kids spray painting graffiti, they targeted the kids and intended to make an example out of them... Brutally.

It backfired, and what has happened since is the result.

Assad, while not the best for Israeli security, is far better than a liberated Islamic Syria would be.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Mossad isn't already on the ground in Syria now, attempting to calm the revolt.

Should be interesting to see how this plays out.

well im not sure with all these "reports" many people tell you anything you want to hear..

as long you help em get out...

i think we all dont get the real info ..like usual

how can you shoot at peeps holding olive branches.. it is a sad world sometimes....

Originally posted by purplemer
how can you shoot at peeps holding olive branches.. it is a sad world sometimes....

Carefully take aim, and pull the trigger... It's very easy to do when you are ordered to do it.

Those who fail to follow orders are risking a fate even worse.

Originally posted by purplemer
how can you shoot at peeps holding olive branches.. it is a sad world sometimes....

True, unless the branches came from MY Olive Tree...

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Don't worry, the propaganda will be set, and soon armed thugs will be officially supported, like the Libyan armed CIA pawn thugs are officially being supported right now, with missiles, airstrikes, helicopters, special ops, advisers....

This is war, US is afraid of losing the Middle East therefore is trying to replace its losses with gains. It lost Tunisia, Egypt and almost Yemen. If it loses Yemen then it will definitely go for Syria, it is already trying to replace Egypt with Libya.

But the problem is, US only has military options available and its military failures in Afghanistan is destroying the over all moral, and the economic problems could cause too much strain and the eventual collapse.

US needs to take its next step very carefully.

Truly sad when a regime orders soldiers to not only shoot at civilians protesting but also those who disobey the "shoot to kill" orders. Reminds me of the early parts of the last World Wars when those who refused to fight would be branded all sorts of names and then executed by firing squad for desertion. And those are just the people in the army, not even mentioning the civilians who refused to be drafted and were given lengthy jail terms as criminals and unpatriotic.

I would like the civilians protesting to lead to the downfall of the brutal regime for obvious reasons, anybody who knows of Syrian atrocities and especially the murder of that 13 year old in the last few months would understand but at the same time, I hope it doesn't lead to even more Middle East instability.

Now I'm a big supporter of Israel, I honestly haven't read a bad thing about them in my research (only biased ATS baloney) but I hope it doesn't lead to them getting paranoid and truly becoming what the anti-US members on here accuse Israelis of being and another major war starts.

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Amazing how people see the Syrian regime as brutal.... When if there was a similar level of "civil unrest" in the USA, that turned violent and was spurred by a case of police brutality (there are many, daily), our own government would launch a similar brutal crackdown, if they too felt their power was threatened.

There isn't a huge leap from where we are now, to where the Syrian people are at this moment.

At least we have the illusion of democracy and freedom to keep us pacified for the time being.

There but for the grace of god (or Allah), go all of us.