The network of Terrorism

I read post after post about the War on Terror and the War on Iraq not being related. When in fact Iraq was a major safe haven for terrorists and the war prompted a huge upheaval in terrorist attacks against coalition forces in Iraq.

The war in Iraq may have been stated for different reasons, the but the war nonetheless is a huge factor in the capture and interrogations in the War on Terror. Staging an attack in the heart of the Middle East doesnt only upset extremists, it lures them to the fight.

I encourage people to read this entire list. Learn about your enemy.

A small portion of the network:

Mullah Mohammed Omar (Status: Elusive)

Supreme leader of the Taliban militant government in Afghanistan from 1996-2001 and wanted by the US Government for providing safe haven to the Al-Queda leadership as they launched their terrorism war against the US and other Western nations during that time period.
So far he has eluded capture when Alliance forces captured first Kabul and later Kandahar.
Currently (in the middle of winter) believed hiding in a cave in Helmand province.

Ibn Al-Shaykh al-Libi (Status: Captured)

Captured in Late Dec 2001 by Northern Alliance. Turned over to US in early Jan.
The Al Qaeda leader, Ibn Al-Shaykh al-Libi, would be one of the highest-ranking members of the terrorist group to come under U.S. control. A second U.S. official, also speaking anonymously, said al-Libi is among Al Qaeda's "top 20" leaders. While several of Usama bin Laden's chief lieutenants have been killed by U.S. bombs, al-Libi would be the most senior member of the group in U.S. custody.
The U.S. has already frozen al-Libi's assets when he was place on the US List of 22 Most Wanted Terrorists. After his capture US forces indicate that he has been most helpful in providing information to thwart other additional Al-Queda terrorists attacks.

Mustafa Ahmed al-Hawsawi (Status: Elusive)

The central financial figure has been identified by U.S. prosecutors as Mustafa Ahmed al-Hawsawi, a fugitive who many investigators believe is al Qaeda�s finance chief. Al-Hawsawi, who uses numerous aliases and is believed to have disappeared in Karachi, Pakistan, just before the attacks, allegedly transferred most of the money used to pay for the hijackers� pilot training, living expenses and airline tickets in the United States, law enforcement officials said. The financial hub of this arrangement was the United Arab Emirates, where loose banking regulations and a large population of Islamic militants provided easy cover for the transfers, they said.
Al-Hawsawi has been identified as the primary source of funding to the Sept 11th hijackers. US investigators completed an exhaustive four month investigation to chronicle every financial transaction made by the hijackers and based on their research are implementing safeguards with banking authorities to detect and block similar financial operations in the future.

Top Al-Queda Lieutenants

Abu Hafs the Mauritanian (Status: Dead)
Provided some of the scholarly justification for Al Qaeda's terrorist attacks.

Abu Jafar al-Jaziri and Abu Salah al-Yemeni (Status: Dead)
Identified as senior logistics coordinators.

Tariq Anwar al-Sayyid Ahmad and Muhammad Salah (Status: Dead)
Two Egyptians involved in executing terrorist attacks.

There have been unconfirmed reports that Mohammad Omar Abdel-Rahman, son of a blind Egyptian sheik convicted of leading a bombing conspiracy in New York in the mid-1990s, was killed, but U.S. authorities believe he remains elusive.

Ibn Al-Shaykh al-Libi and Abd al-Hadi al-Iraqi (Status: Captured)
Commanded some of bin Laden's Afghan training camps.

Ahmed Omar Abdel-Rahman (Status: Unclear)
Another son of the blind sheik, who was also reportedly captured by anti-Taliban forces. He is considered a midlevel Al Qaeda official and a liaison to his father's Egypt-based terrorist organization, al-Gamaa al-Islamiya. His status is unclear.

Ahmed Omar Abdel-Rahman (Status: Captured)
Was a co-founder of al Qaeda, the Islamic militant group led by bin Laden. He is charged with attempted murder in the stabbing of a jail guard November 1, 2000, while awaiting trial with four other defendants for the 1998 bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania that killed 224 people and injured more than 4,000 others.

Abu Hajer al Iraqi a.k.a. Salim (Status: Elusive)

Was born in Sudan and grew up in Iraq. According to prosecutors, he was in charge of al Qaeda's financial affairs when the group was based in Sudan in the early 1990s. He is also accused of managing Wadi Aqiq, bin Laden's umbrella company that procured communications equipment and conventional weapons for the organization.

Salim was considered a religious scholar. According to the embassy bombings indictment, Salim taught followers that U.N. forces deployed in Somalia in 1993 represented a U.S. plan to attack Muslims.

Benevolence International Foundation

Federal agents arrested the director of an Illinois-based charity Tuesday on 30-Apr-2002 and charged him with lying about links to Osama bin Laden and international terrorism.

Federal authorities said Enaam Arnaout, 39, a Syrian-born naturalized U.S. citizen who is executive director of the Benevolence International Foundation, was charged with perjury for lying during the government's investigation of the BIF. The organization itself was also charged with perjury.

The Treasury Department froze the BIF's assets in last December because the government claimed the group had ties to al Qaeda, bin Laden's international terrorist organization. In a 35-page criminal complaint, the government says the BIF supported terrorist groups and individuals and had "direct dealings" with Chechen guerrillas and Hezb e Islami -- identified by the government as a military group operating in Afghanistan and Azerbaijan.

Khalid Shaikh Mohammed (Status: Elusive)

A Kuwaiti lieutenant of Usama bin Laden, was the likely mastermind of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, a senior U.S. counterterrorism official said Tuesday. "There's lots of links that tie him to 9/11," the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity. "He's the most significant operational player out there right now." U.S. investigators believe Mohammed planned many aspects of the Sept. 11 attacks, turning bin Laden's calls for dead Americans into reality. A second U.S. official, also speaking on condition of anonymity, said Mohammed played a key role in planning the attacks.

Designated one of the FBI's most-wanted terrorists, Mohammed is at large in Afghanistan or nearby, the counterterrorism official said. Other bin Laden lieutenants are also believed to have helped put together the attacks, the official said. But evidence is mounting that Mohammed was at the center of the operational planning. Within three months of Sept. 11, according to the official, the FBI learned that Mohammed had moved money that was used to pay for the attacks and since then the United States has gathered other significant evidence pointing to him as the key planner. The official declined to go into detail, citing a need to protect intelligence information.

Mohammed was charged by federal prosecutors in New York in 1996 in connection with the alleged 1995 plot. The FBI describes him as in his mid-thirties, sometimes wearing a beard and glasses, and slightly overweight. His aliases include Ashraf Refaat Nabith Henin, Khalid Abdul Wadood, Salem Ali and Fahd Bin Abdallah Bin Khalid. U.S. officials have repeatedly said that capturing or killing bin Laden's cadre of lieutenants � men like Mohammed � is a key goal in the war on terrorism. In some ways, they are considered as dangerous as bin Laden: Where Al Qaeda's leader serves as an inspiration to his followers, his top aides conduct the nuts-and-bolts planning of attacks. The lieutenants are said to pick targets and attack dates, provide money and training to the foot soldiers and overseas cells chosen to carry them out � sometimes at the cost of their own lives � and maintain operational secrecy. Most of the 19 suicide hijackers are thought not to have known the entirety of the Sept. 11 plot � or that they were going to die � but Mohammed apparently did, the counterterrorism official said. Mohammed has not been charged in connection with the attacks, which crashed hijacked airliners into the World Trade Center and Pentagon, leaving more than 3,000 dead.

Abu Zubaydah (Status: Captured)
Al Qaeda leader now in U.S. custody. The official acknowledged that Mohammed played a critical role in planning the attacks but said questions remain about the extent of his leadership. Mohammed was a close associate of Abu Zubaydah, officials said.

Ramzi Yousef (Status: Captured)

Mohammed is accused of working with Ramzi Yousef in the first bombing of the World Trade Center, which left six dead in 1993. He and Yousef, hiding in the Philippines, also are accused of plotting in 1995 to bomb several trans-Pacific airliners heading for the United States. Yousef, now serving a life sentence in the United States, also is believed to have planned to crash a plane into CIA headquarters. The State Department is offering a $25 million reward for information leading to Mohammed's capture. Officials said he continues to plot attacks against U.S. interests

Abu Zubaydah (Status: Captured)

Captured in Pakistan in March, is said to have told U.S. interrogators that the hijacked plane that crashed in Pennsylvania was destined for the White House, suggesting he knew of the planning. Some of the hijackers trained at Abu Zubaydah's Khalden camp in Afghanistan, the counterterrorism official said. Generally, though, the hijackers trained in groups of one or two at several camps, and they were kept apart from most other trainees. According to investigators, the Sept. 11 attacks were largely paid for by Shaikh Saiid al-Sharif, also known as Mustafa Ahmed al-Hisawi, who is bin Laden's financial chief. Officials traced a number of financial transactions between him and several of hijackers.

Shaikh Saiid (Status: Elusive)

Was not believed to have the wherewithal to plan an operation of Sept. 11's magnitude. Paid for Sept. 11 events.

Tawfiq Attash Khallad (Status: Elusive)

A fourth bin Laden lieutenant, is also suspected of playing a planning role. He met with future hijackers Khalid Almihdhar and Nawaf Alhazmi in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, in January 2000, just before Almihdhar and Alhazmi entered the United States. Khallad paid for some of the pair's travel before Sept. 11, the counterterrorism official said. Khallad, also believed to be a chief planner of the October 2000 USS Cole bombing, remains at large, the official said.

Some key connections have yet to be worked out, the official acknowledged, such as who selected chief hijacker Mohammed Atta and the rest for the operation. Bin Laden and his top two deputies, Ayman al-Zawahri and Ayman al-Zawahri were believed to have known about the attacks in advance, by virtue of their rank in Al Qaeda. Al-Zawahri's family was killed by a U.S. airstrike in Afghanistan. It is not known where he is. Atef, killed by military and CIA airstrikes in November, also had a martyrdom video of one of the so-called "20th hijackers" � the ones who never made it on a plane � at his house. Ramzi Binalshibh was a member Atta's cell in Germany, but was unable to enter the United States. He remains at large. The official said the video remains one of the key connections between Atta and bin Laden's inner circle. Bin Laden himself � assuming he wasn't just boasting � admitted foreknowledge of the Sept. 11 attacks on a Nov. 9 videotape of him having dinner with a Saudi sheik, al-Zawahri and some other supporters.

Unidentified (Status: Elusive)

The Justice Department released parts of new al-Qaida videotapes Thursday, asking Americans and others abroad to be on the lookout for five men shown in the images who Attorney General John Ashcroft said could be planning further suicide attacks on the United States. On the tapes, �the young men deliver what appear to be martyrdom messages from suicide terrorists,� said Ashcroft, who warned that �the men may be trained and prepared to commit future suicide terrorist acts.� The Five Tapes were found in the home of al-Qaida leader Mohammed Atef, Ashcroft said at a news conference where silent excerpts were played. U.S. special forces discovered them inside Afghanistan.

Among the five men Ashcroft said were depicted on the tapes, one of whom was not identified, was Ramzi Binalshibh, named by prosecutors as an unindicted co-conspirator in the attacks on Washington and New York. Binalshibh, 29, of Yemen, was a roommate of suspected terrorist ringleader Mohammed Atta when the two lived in Germany. His �is a name you have heard before,� Ashcroft said.

Four of the men were identified by name: Abd Al-Rahim, Muhammad Sa'id Ali Hasan, Khalid Ibn Muhammad Al-Juhani and Ramzi Binalshibh, The fifth man was unidentified.

Mohammed Atef (Status: Dead)

Atef, the brother-in-law of Osama bin Laden, the suspected mastermind of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks in the United States, helped found bin Laden�s al-Qaida terrorist network. U.S. officials have said that Atef was believed to have died in a U.S. airstrike and had principal responsibility for supervising the training of al-Qaida members. Atef was indicted in connection with the 1998 bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.

Hashim bin Abas (Status: Captured)

Arrested Dec 2001 as prime suspect in plot to attack American targets in Singapore.

John Walker (Status: Captured)

20-year old American citizen from California, found fighting for the Taliban / Al-Queda in the city of Konduz. Boasts to having met with high-ranking leadership and pursuing the goal of establishing a pure-Islamic state.

David Hicks (Status: Captured)

Young Australian national found fighting for Al-Queda in Afghanistan.

Mokhtar Haouari (Status: Captured)

An Algerian living in Canada was convicted by U.S. Civil Court for participation in the failed Millienium bombing plot targeting the Los Angeles International Airport and sentenced (16-JAN-02) to 24 years in prison, the maximum penalty possible.

Wadih El-Hage (Status: Captured)

Now serving a life sentence in a maximum-security prison for conspiracy to commit terrorism in the August 1998 bombings of two American Embassies in East Africa. Within Al Qaeda, El-Hage was nicknamed �the Manager,� according to federal prosecutors. For several years during the 1990s, the U.S. government alleges, El-Hage performed nefarious chores for his terrorist boss, like purchasing a jet plane in order to deliver Stinger missiles (El-Hage personally handed the keys to bin Laden at a dinner party).

Jose Padilla (Status: Captured)

Jose Padilla, also known as Abdullah Al Muhajir, was in the custody of the U.S. military and is being treated as an enemy combatant. Government agents have arrested a turncoat American citizen who plotted with Al Qaeda terrorists to build and explode a radioactive "dirty bomb" within the United States. A second person, Benjamin Ahmed Mohammed, had been taken into custody in Pakistan "recently" and was implicated in the bomb plot. Mohammed will continue to be detained in Pakistan, an official said, and there are no plans to bring him to the United States.

Padilla was arrested May 8 as he flew into Chicago's O'Hare International Airport from Pakistan, Ashcroft said in Moscow, where he was attending a long-planned meeting with his "foreign counterparts." He said the government's suspicions about Muhajir's plans came from "multiple, independent, corroborating sources." He said Al Qaeda apparently believed Padilla would be permitted to travel freely within the U.S. because of his American citizenship and because he carried a U.S. passport.

Padilla is a former Chicago street gang member who served time in prison in the 1990s, converted to Islam and met with Al Qaeda leaders in 2001 before returning to the United States, officials said. The 31-year-old is a native of Brooklyn, N.Y., who moved to Chicago at age 4. Padilla was transferred Monday morning from Justice Department custody in New York City to a high-security U.S. Navy brig in Charleston, S.C., Johnson said

Abu Hafs the Mauritanian, also known as Mahfouz Ould al-Walid; Abu Jafar al-Jaziri aka Omar Chaabani; and Abu Salah al-Yemeni (Status: Dead)

Officials said three people identified as top Al Qaeda leaders are believed dead in the fighting across Afghanistan. Abu Hafs was believed to be about 26 and had ties to Al Qaeda terrorist operations. Al-Jaziri and al-Yemeni were logistics coordinators for the terrorist group.

Leaders of the Taliban

Mullah Abdul Salam Zaeef (Status: Captured)

The former Taliban ambassador to Pakistan will be deported to Afghanistan Saturday morning, high-ranking Pakistani officials here said. Mullah Abdul Salam Zaeef was arrested Thursday by Pakistani intelligence officials, his secretary said. He is being held by Pakistani authorities, his family said Friday. There was no immediate comment from Zaeef's family on his deportation. Zaeef immediately will be placed in U.S. custody upon arrival

Mullah Ubai Dullah - Taliban Minister of Defense (Status: Captured)

Surrendered to Alliance forces on Jan 8, 2002. Subsequently release under a general amnestry.

Mullah Turabi - Taliban Minister of Justice (Status: Released)

Surrendered to Alliance forces on Jan 8, 2002. Subsequently release under a general amnestry.

Mullah Saadudin - Taliban Minister of Mines and Industry (Status: Released)

Surrendered to Alliance forces on Jan 8, 2002. Subsequently release under a general amnestry.

Mullah Haqani - Former Taliban Ambassador to Pakistan (Status: Captured)

Surrendered to Alliance forces on Jan 8, 2002.

Abdul Hayee Motmain

Head of the Taliban Information Department and senior spokesman.
Surrendered to Alliance forces on Jan 8, 2002.

(A more indepth list of terrorists captured/elusive)


Additional Terrorists and Pictures
13 Terrorists recently captured (Names withheld)
And lets not forget Mr. Laden

I will try to update this list as often as I can.

Additional information:

This is a partial list of the worst known terror organizations. This list defines terrorist organizations as any group who uses physical violence, fear, crime, political violence, violent incitement, or other scare tactics for political, religious, national, ideological or other gain.

1. Abu Nidal Organization (ANO)
2. Abu Sayyaf Group
3. Ansar al-Islam (Iraq)
4. Ansar al-Sunna Army (Iraq)
5. Armed Islamic Group (GIA)
6. Aum Shinrikyo
7. Basque Fatherland and Liberty (ETA)
8. Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP)
9. Fatah
10. Fatah Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade
11. Fatah Tanzim
12. Gama'a al-Islamiyya (Islamic Group)
13. HAMAS (Islamic Resistance Movement)
14. Harakat ul-Mujahidin (HUM)
15. Hizballah (Party of God)
16. Holders of the Black Banners, The (Iraq)
17. Irish Republican Army (IRA) (Northern Ireland)
18. Islamic Jihad
19. Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU)
20. Jamaat al-Tawhid (Iraq)
21. Jemaah Islamiya (JI)
22. al-Jihad (Egyptian Islamic Jihad)
23. Kahane Chai (Kach)
24. Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK)
25. Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE)
26. Lions of Allah Group, The (Iraq)
27. al-Mahdi Army (Iraq)
28. Mujahedin-e Khalq Organization (MEK)
29. National Liberation Army (ELN)
30. November 17th (Greece)
31. Palestinian Authority (PA)
32. Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ)
33. Palestine Liberation Front (PLF)
34. Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO)
35. Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP)
36. PFLP-General Command (PFLP-GC)
37. al-Qa'ida
38. al-Qa'ida on the Saudi Peninsula
39. Real IRA (Northern Ireland)
40. Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC)
41. Revolutionary Nuclei (formerly ELA)
42. Revolutionary Organization 17 November
43. Revolutionary People's Liberation Army/Front (DHKP/C)
44. Salaaf I YYA
45. al-Sayaf (The Sword) (Iraq)
46. Shining Path (Sendero Luminoso, SL)
47. Tawhid Islamic Group (al-Qaida in Europe / Iraq)
48. Unification and Jihad (Iraq)
49. United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia (AUC)




What are your thoughts? Is the war on Iraq justified by bringing down several terrorist members? Are the reasons we went to war greater then the outcome of the war?

Or do you all think that by sitting here and guarding our borders we'll be safer from the groups that wish to do us massive harm?

[edit on 7-8-2004 by rwsdakota]

I read post after post about the War on Terror and the War on Iraq not being related. When in fact Iraq was a major safe haven for terrorists and the war prompted a huge upheaval in terrorist attacks against coalition forces in Iraq.

The war in Iraq may have been stated for different reasons, the but the war nonetheless is a huge factor in the capture and interrogations in the War on Terror. Staging an attack in the heart of the Middle East doesnt only upset extremists, it lures them to the fight.

There was no evidence before the invasion of Iraq to suggst that there were terrorists in Iraq and that Saddam aided Al-Qaeda.

Saddam Hussein's Iraq NEVER aided Al-Qaeda. Bin Laden himself disliked Saddam as under him Iraq was a secular state and not an Islamic theocracy. The terrorists/insurgents/resistance/freedom fighters in Iraq only came into the country after the war to fight the Coalition forces that were there.

Starting a war in the middle east only creates more terrorists. The Iraq war was for oil and it was the first step in America's imperialist conquest of the oil producing world.

There was no evidence before the invasion of Iraq to suggst that there were terrorists in Iraq and that Saddam aided Al-Qaeda.

I never said Saddam aided Alqueda. I said that Iraq was a save haven for Terrorists. You don't have to physically aid a group to support them. Allowing them to stay on your soil unabided is enough.

Terrorist groups on the top 50 that were noted to have ties in Iraq (Before the war):

3. Ansar al-Islam (Iraq)
4. Ansar al-Sunna Army (Iraq)
16. Holders of the Black Banners, The (Iraq)
18. Islamic Jihad
20. Jamaat al-Tawhid (Iraq)
26. Lions of Allah Group, The (Iraq)
27. al-Mahdi Army (Iraq)
38. al-Qa'ida on the Saudi Peninsula
45. al-Sayaf (The Sword) (Iraq)
47. Tawhid Islamic Group (al-Qaida in Europe / Iraq)
48. Unification and Jihad (Iraq)

The Iraq war was for oil and it was the first step in America's imperialist conquest of the oil producing world.

Ignorance is bliss. The projected future for oil is 20 years. So the USofA is going to conquer the worlds oil production so it can prosper for 20 years until it all dries up? Ugh huh. You got it!







[edit on 7-8-2004 by rwsdakota]

Ignorance is bliss. The projected future for oil is 20 years. So the USofA is going to conquer the worlds oil production so it can prosper for 20 years until it all dries up? Ugh huh. You got it!

The projected future for oil for the WORLD may be 20 years (more actually). But if the US controlled it all it and only the US used it it would last it about 100 years.

Originally posted by Eddie999

Ignorance is bliss. The projected future for oil is 20 years. So the USofA is going to conquer the worlds oil production so it can prosper for 20 years until it all dries up? Ugh huh. You got it!

The projected future for oil for the WORLD may be 20 years (more actually). But if the US controlled it all it and only the US used it it would last it about 100 years.

So you're saying, that within the next say, 10 years, the US is going to attack any and all nations that produce its own oil, and that sells OPEC controlled oil, take control of these countries so it can have its oil?

Yeah, I read somewhere that all the oil that is produced in Iraq was diverted to the US for US use only.. /sarcasim

I also read that all the oil sold in iraq in the last few months was given TO iraq at around 1.7 billion dollars. Damn, someone must have messed up the money transfers!

Eddie, Eddie, eddie... here we go again.

Al Queida was in

1. Sudan
2. Eithiopia
3. Kenya
4. France
5. Saudi Arabia
6. Yemen
7. South Florida
8. New York
9. Tanzania
10. Afghanistan
11. Uzbekistan
etc

But Al Queida was NEVER in Iraq. OOOOOOKKKKAAAYY!

Originally posted by crmanager
Eddie, Eddie, eddie... here we go again.

Al Queida was in

1. Sudan
2. Eithiopia
3. Kenya
4. France
5. Saudi Arabia
6. Yemen
7. South Florida
8. New York
9. Tanzania
10. Afghanistan
11. Uzbekistan
etc

But Al Queida was NEVER in Iraq. OOOOOOKKKKAAAYY!

I have to say that I have grown tired of your pro-US rhetoric. It seems no matter what I say and no matter what evidence I, or indeed anyone else, present you will not believe. Then again its understandable, you're a conservative!

And Al-Qaeda didn't carry out 9/11.

Originally posted by Eddie999
I have to say that I have grown tired of your pro-US rhetoric. It seems no matter what I say and no matter what evidence I, or indeed anyone else, present you will not believe. Then again its understandable, you're a conservative!

And Al-Qaeda didn't carry out 9/11.

Okay Lenin, you are a hypocrite. We try to show you the other side and you come off which the same tired and broken record rhetoric you do every day. Its almost like you cut and paste the same statement in ever single post you make. Like I said before, I do respect your opinion cause that is the beauty of living in a free society and you are entitled to it and you are allowed to draw your own conclusions. but..... You need to expand your mind and your train of thought man! I believe that the world is much more transparent than you think and all these theories that you are coming up with add up to little. Now I am not saying that everything you say is wrong but sometimes the simplest answers are the actual answers.

My biggest critique of you though is that you call everything that you say the TRUTH and everything anyone else says (who happens to disagree with you) blind. This is just blatantly hypocritical of you and it is wrong. Unless you were the true mastermind behind the 9/11 attacks you will NEVER know the actual truth. A lot of what you say and label as true, what is better or what actually happened is your own idealistic view and pure speculation. Please expand your senses and grow from it.

Originally posted by Eddie999
And Al-Qaeda didn't carry out 9/11.

Thats all I needed to read to know exactly where you stand. Thanks.


As for the TOPIC, allow me get back to it.. the reasons for going to war may not be justified, but is the overall result of the war on iraq helping the war on terror? I beleive it is. We've captured hundreds of terrorists.. and hundreds more rain down on iraq trying to get a piece of the fight.

With every 1 capture, we're finding out 20 things about this network.

Do the reasons we went to war with iraq mute the overall objective? I think not.


[edit on 7-8-2004 by rwsdakota]

Al Queada didn't carry out 9/11...

wow...

ok...



I guess that COULD be sarcasm? But Communists have their humor gene removed at birth. So... i guess you are just clueless.

Originally posted by crmanager
Al Queada didn't carry out 9/11...

wow...

ok...

I guess that COULD be sarcasm? But Communists have their humor gene removed at birth. So... i guess you are just clueless.

Don't believe it if you do not want to. Its your choice, but others on this very site have the same views on 9/11 as me. This is a conspiracy site at heart.

Also, you have no idea on communism. You live in the US so you've been force fed capitalist propaganda since birth. I'll continue supporting trade unions and arguing for better working conditions for all people whether you agree with it or not.

Eddie for the first time we are on common ground.

Even as an evil capitalist I suuport better living conditions. Trade unions have outlived there usefulness in the heavily industrialized west beacuse now they are pricing workers out og the market. But that is another thread.

I would love to sit and discuss communism though. The commies I have met were coffe shop types who never held a job and just rabbelroused. It would be a great thread.

By the way.Just because someone agrees with you doens't make your opinion right. It just means there are 2 misguided people. Ossama and his band of merry men are the truest source of evil since Adolf and company.

Again, I'm going to try and stare this thread back to its original discussion..

The reasons for going to war may not have be justified, but is the overall result of the war on iraq helping the war on terror? I beleive it is. We've captured hundreds of terrorists.. and hundreds more rain down on iraq trying to get a piece of the fight.

With every 1 capture, we're finding out 20 things about this network.

Do the reasons we went to war with iraq mute the overall objective? I think not.

Devils advocate here.

Do the ends justify the means? That is what the anti war left is saying.

They feel lied to.

But you are right dakota. This is going to be long and bloody but the resluts are panning out good.

I would love to sit and discuss communism though. The commies I have met were coffe shop types who never held a job and just rabbelroused. It would be a great thread.

By the way.Just because someone agrees with you doens't make your opinion right. It just means there are 2 misguided people. Ossama and his band of merry men are the truest source of evil since Adolf and company.

I agree with you about the dicussion on the pros AND cons of communsim. I know what you mean about the coffee shoppers as well. Lazy asses who think smoking pot and putting up a Che Guevara flag means that they're a communist.

I'm working in a factory at the moment so I know the meaning of work.

alqeada thinks the US is the most evil. born and raised in the US i can see where they are coming from. rude and boligerant people plague the streets of california. complacency spawns uneasy joyless nitwits. we live like kings, yet the only words i hear are complaints. paranoia runs rampant, while adolescent mischeife makers go neglected. terrorist are no threat to me or you or anyone. the US government is the real threat, their power grows more emense with each day. we are feeding them the power as we empty our pockets to the vast network of corperate product. honestly do you think terrorist living in caves on the opposite side of the earth are going to attack you while your snoozing away in your deluxe two story condominium? the only people capable of such an act would be those black helicopter US commandos! pretty cool, but scary nontheless.