Insomnia, and NOTHING works to fix it. I am looking for those who might be able to offer their exp

Hello, I really sympathize with you. I remember when I was about your age and younger I also had the problem of not being able to get to sleep. Of course, with age has come a bit of wisdom and I believe that human beings generally speaking sleep too much. However, that doesn`t help you now, but I did learn a process that might be able to.

Are you able to `go inside yourself`, close your eyes and see pictures?

If so, try this. Close your eyes and, with your inner vision, try to look at the end of your nose. Keep concentrating on it. If your mind wanders and images start to creep in the darkness, push them away and go back to looking at your nose. Keep at this and all of a sudden you will realize that you`ve drifted off and time has passed. If it doesn`t happen straight away, persevere and it will happen sooner than you think. Good luck.

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get a fan,it works for me.

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Heck.. I've been trying to LD for over 15 years without success. Not that easy if you don't have the right environment!!

Cheers

In California here. Got my MM card specifically for insomnia issues I have on occasion (and some joint pain, no pun intended). I use cannabis for my insomnia now and it works great. Just make sure you head for an indica dominant strain and you will be good to go (to sleep). You can also augment this with doses of indica based hash as well.

If you're sleeping so poorly, I feel for you. My suggestion is find a rural area, with long straight country roads with shallow bar ditches, and drive and drive and drive and drive and drive.
People will get on my case for suggesting this, this is why I suggest RURAl, STRAIGHT and shallow bar ditches. Is this totally irresponsible? NO. I have been very tired all of a sudden when driving from NM to California, and I sleep very well when I pull over and get a room at a motel. Also, I have pulled over at truck stops and snoozed quite well. Just don't let it get to a point where you are actually falling asleep at the wheel.

1. Go outside and stand in the grass barefoot. (This will ground you with the Earth) Ask the Earth to recharge your energy.
2. When laying down to sleep, close your eyes and focus all your energy so that it is inside your body.
3. With eyes closed, listen for a tone in your ears/head. When you hear this tone, listen for the other subtle tones that harmonize with the original tone.
4. Breathe slowly.
5. Relax your body, you might feel pressure in between your eyes and head. Your muscles may spasm. This is all the years of stress build up that you have never released.
6. Listen to the tones until it is ringing loudly.

That should bring you to a state of relaxation. Practice this each morning and night and soon you'll learn to transcend and achieve 8 hours worth of deep sleep in 20 minutes of meditation.

I hope this works and that everyone who has stress and sleeping problems will give this a try.

P.S.
Everyone should look up about how we as humans do not properly ground our energy with the planet. STOP wearing rubber soled shoes!

If you're taking that cocktail without benefit, I doubt anything herbal, or tryptophan/melatonin would help.

Normally my advice would be to not eat 4 hours before going to bed, and take a 3mg melatonin capsule and empty it under your tongue. Just allow it to stay there and read a book until your eyes are tired. Exercising during the day would also be beneficial.

That said, your description makes me believe you would not find it effective. I really think you should consider seeking spiritual help, i.e. visit a church. What you are describing isn't uncommon, and is best described as demonic oppression. I understand you may not be open to this interpretation, but do keep it in the back of your mind as an option.

Other than that, I would advise against continuing to take the medications you are. If you are resourceful, I'd recommend finding an off-shore source for Nembutal. It'd be far less dangerous with fewer side-effects. Well, excepting addiction, but that can be mitigated if you are capable of restricting your use and allowing your body to rest. There are problems with taking tryptophan, or melatonin daily.

Valium would be another alternative, but here again you have to deal with addiction and some of the worst side-effects of the lot. Besides saying goodbye to your short-term memory, you can expect muscle loss, stomach problems and a host of other maladies.

I wish you luck in conquering this. It will tear you down mentally, and physically in fairly short order.

I have had positive results from the following.

watching video games with intense eye movement such as the old "columns" with megadrive. "tetris" would be similar. the rapid eye movement required will drain the nervous system through the optic nerve. sleep was then enabled.

but by far the most lasting results were obtained with colonic irrigation of which i had 12 or 15 treatments. but after only 2 or 3 i started sleeping like a baby. i also quickly found new energy with the crap out of my system. 5 years on and i still sleep well.

let me add that the insomnia was improved by vegetarianism, even a few days of it in the early stages of my 30 year(age 60 now) long problem was enough to help me sleep better.. so that indicates an acid/alkaline issue there. and now to ensure the scales are tipped toward the alkaline i take regularly a t-spoon of soda bicarb and separately apple cyder vinegar in water.

if i get a serious problem in the future the first thing i'll do is colonic irrigation!

Because natural medicine is being persecuted, i cannot name specific formulas. I will tell you that there are bulk herbs easily available to be purchased which are very strong natural sedatives, and there is an exponential effect when taken together. I have created an herbal remedy, with several herbs & spices (some are very common), which, when soaked together in (drinkable) alcohol for a period of 6 months, produce a potion that (with one ounce) will put anyone to sleep within minutes. Of course I can't tell you exactly because this can also be used as a sort of herbal "g h b" so I'll just leave it at that.

Ok, the whole "sleeping pills" get you addicted is NOT true for me. You have to decide what's more important, getting sleep or adhering to dogma's.

The thing with sleeping pills is that they're all different! Zo Zoplicon does nothing for me whereas Zolpidem works miracles. Not sleeping isn't just detrimental, it's lethal!

Your brain chemisty is off. Simple. You need to fix it anyhow and THEN you can transfer to milder options. With adequate sleep everything will improve therefor also dimishing the need for sleep.

U2U me if you want, I know what you're going through.

jop.sagepub.com...

Searching for perfect sleep: the continuing evolution of GABAA receptor modulators as hypnotics

David J Nutt
Department of Neuropsychopharmacology and Molecular Imaging, Imperial College London, London, UK, [email protected]
S M Stahl
University of California San Diego, School of Medicine, San Diego, CA, USA
Abstract
The non-benzodiazepine GABAA receptor modulators (‘Z-drugs’) — zaleplon, zolpidem, zopiclone and eszopiclone — have become the accepted treatments for insomnia where they are available. However, recent randomized, placebo-controlled trials suggest that, for these drugs, there may be particular efficacy and tolerability profiles and distinct clinical outcomes in specific patient populations. This is particularly apparent when hypnotic/ selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor co-therapy is used to treat patients with co-morbid insomnia and psychiatric disorders, as patient recovery appears to be accelerated and enhanced by some drugs but not others. Emerging evidence of why this should be the case is that these hypnotic drugs may differ significantly from each other in their pharmacodynamic and pharmacokinetic profiles. Functional selectivity for specific GABAA receptor subtypes may determine each drug’s clinical attributes, while the pharmacokinetic characteristics of Z-drugs also determine to a large extent how they perform in the clinic. For example, activity at GABAA alpha 1 receptor subtypes may be associated with sedative effects, whereas activity at alpha 2 and alpha 3 receptor subtypes may be associated with anxiolytic and antidepressant effects. In summary, the distinct clinical outcomes of zaleplon, zolpidem, zopiclone and eszopiclone may be explained by each drug’s unique GABAA receptor subunit selectivity and pharmacokinetic profile. Further investigation of GABA A receptor subtype effects would help to increase understanding of current hypnotic drug effects, while knowledge of each drug’s specific binding profile should enable clinicians to tailor treatment to individual patient’s needs.

Very important:

In summary, the distinct clinical outcomes of zaleplon, zolpidem, zopiclone and eszopiclone may be explained by each drug’s unique GABAA receptor subunit selectivity and pharmacokinetic profile

I refuse to take any tablets to sleep.

I know it's ok but still. In my personal opinion if I can't sleep, either I should fix it myself or just be oblivious to it and stay up until I pass out.

Currently I'm oblivious to it and stay up til 4am. Sometimes til 10am on weekends. Damn that mourning coffe with three stooges mourning marathon!

I did pull a 3 day all nighter when my dog (rottweiler) died not long ago. I felt physically sick. Among other things. The first night, I did pass out for 2 hours and woke up at 8am hearing dead silence knowing my dog was completely gone.

Anyway, insomnia is both good and bad IMO, when it's chronic, and interferes with production in daily life, then yes fix it asap.

Currently for me it's not a problem.

I can empathise with anyone who cannot sleep when tired.
In Australia Doxylam is a legal over the counter remedy available at most chemists, you should fall asleep after taking the prescribed dose of this relatively non addictive drug .

Please note alchohol will keep you awake and work against the sedative effects of Doxylaml once the alcohol wears off.
It is very unwise to drink booze with any sleeping aid.
The only strange side affect I have encountered with Doxylam is aural hallucinations whilst asleep or near asleep.

Originally posted by Dr Expired
I can empathise with anyone who cannot sleep when tired.
In Australia Doxylam is a legal over the counter remedy available at most chemists, you should fall asleep after taking the prescribed dose of this relatively non addictive drug .

Please note alchohol will keep you awake and work against the sedative effects of Doxylaml once the alcohol wears off.
It is very unwise to drink booze with any sleeping aid.
The only strange side affect I have encountered with Doxylam is aural hallucinations whilst asleep or near asleep.

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I just drink booze. After couple hours, depending the night and consumption, I fall asleep like a baby. Lights out.

I don't get wrecked either, and my wreck is when you can only make sense visually with one eye open etc. I do get there once in awhile however. Maybe once a month or 2.

Kinda steered off topic. Sorry.

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Yes alcohol can send us to sleep, but it is not a restful sleep as our livers and kidneys heart are working to de toxify us.
The point I was making was alcohol can negate the potency of certain sleeping drugs.
And that the two should not be mixed.

Originally posted by Dr Expired
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Yes alcohol can send us to sleep, but it is not a restful sleep as our livers and kidneys heart are working to de toxify us.
The point I was making was alcohol can negate the potency of certain sleeping drugs.
And that the two should not be mixed.

alright im back. I understand completely. Basically alcohol, does not mix well with sleeping drugs at all. Up down left right. It doesn't intensify it (kinda thank god unless your over doing it) but it takes away the potency.

Don't now if this has been posted but Cannabis and a lot of other herbs help you sleep but Cannabis is probably the best thing I now that gets you to sleep

try gem therapy
use a hessonite gemstone or a cubic zirconia on the middle finger of your right hand "it must be the colour of honey brownish.
try it you got nothing to lose.

L-tryptothan (sorry, not exactly sure of spelling)

It occurs naturally in fresh white-meat Turkey (not processed) ... but if you don't want to eat fresh carved Turkey breast for dinner every evening (LOL) you can buy L-tryptothan in the vitamin aisle in most health food stores. Make sure it's high quality and not some cheap discount brand. Adjust the dosage as needed and when you have a choice of dinner selections, assuming you're not an vegan, order fresh white meat Turkey breast.

Also, in addition you may want to try the 'Rapid Eye Movement' form of psychotherapy. It's highly effective if it is performed by a licensed therapist who specializes in this form of therapy. It also goes by another name that I do not remember at the moment.

During the 2-hours before bedtime don't do anything stimulating, such as lively phone conversations or watching TV (unless it's something incredibly boring) and avoid exercising or getting into discussions or anything that may cause your heart rate to accelerate. Our bodies must be calm and relaxed in order to fall asleep. Good luck.

The problem is that your mind and thought processes are out of control. It also sounds like you have been focusing only on treating the symptoms and not the root cause up to this point. If you are serious about getting past this then I suggest that you attend a free-of-charge, 10-day resident training course in Vipassana Meditation. I have done it and it was a fantastic experience. Applying the technique everyday should help you greatly. You need to turn off the voices in your head when you try to sleep. Flip the circuit-breaker for the audio in your mind and make everything you think a silent movie. Think only in images and NOT in words. The more you practice the better you get at it. It always words for me. Train your mind to obey you and not the other way around.