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Originally posted by wisintel
Great find. I watched the commercial and it put a smile on my face. At one point in my life I held that sad belief that the tragedy that was 9/11 would follow so many other tragedies into that murky place in history that never sees the light of truth. I sincerely hope that this brings the attention and respect that this issue deserves and that the people some day get justice.
The signs that the masses are waking up are everywhere. People I work with and my family, people all around me are talking about things out in the light of day that even a year ago were only mentioned in hushed whispers by people that were considered on the fringe of conspiracy. Daily now I have conversations about the FED, about the illegitimacy of the wars we are in and fraud committed by our financial institutions.
People are truly waking up and it gives me hope.
Do you have any EVIDENCE? not your words but hard freaking evidence that would shut people up. No, I am sure that there is nothing and your assumption must be correct based on our research of anti-OS website. Ignorance is not knowing who your enemy is. Sometimes, you learn your enemy is not any enemy but someone with different perception of an issue. WHERE IS YOUR PROOF? Ten years later and there is not a fuc*%& thing.....move on.
At 9:49 a.m., the ten-ton, B-25 bomber smashed into the north side of the Empire State Building. The majority of the plane hit the 79th floor, creating a hole in the building eighteen feet wide and twenty feet high. The plane's high-octane fuel exploded, hurtling flames down the side of the building and inside through hallways and stairwells all the way down to the 75th floor.
One of the engines and part of the landing gear hurtled across the 79th floor, through wall partitions and two fire walls, and out the south wall's windows to fall onto a twelve-story building across 33rd Street. Some debris from the crash fell to the streets below, sending pedestrians scurrying for cover, but most fell onto the buildings setbacks at the fifth floor. Still, a bulk of the wreckage remained stuck in the side of the building.
Though the integrity of the Empire State Building was not affected, the cost of the damage done by the crash was $1 million.
# Length: 52 ft 11 in (16.1 m)
# Wingspan: 67 ft 6 in (20.6 m)
# Height: 17 ft 7 in (4.8 m)
# Wing area: 610 sq ft (57 m²)
# Empty weight: 21,120 lb (9,580 kg)
# Loaded weight: 33,510 lb (15,200 kg)
#Length: 159ft 2in
# Wingspan:156 ft 1 in
#Wing Area 3050 sq ft
#Empty Weight: 181,610 lbs
I would imagine the design is probably far more modern and much more sound than the empire state building was at the time of that crash, thats also quite important to consider.
Originally posted by anyjerk
reply to post by anyjerk
Anyone else find this article interesting?
edition.cnn.com...
Looks like Osamas name will be officially written out of the indictment. So officially speaking, he was never even involved in the incident. But I think most of knew that already : )
This is just the government, doing what they do best. 1983 ring bell?
So granted, the 767 is bigger and heavier but that still doesn't explain why all 3 buildings went down at nearly freefall speed when 1 of those buildings, Bldg 7, didn't even get hit.
Bigger and heavier - Right by a factor of 15 (300,000 lbs for 767 vs 20,000 for B 25) Also add in the difference in velocity by a factor of some 2.5 to 3 times that of B25 Energey produced is dependent on square of velocity x weight Energy release at WTC was some 90 to 130 times that of Empire State Bld Think the building being hit by some 100 times the energy had some effect on why it collapsed...?
Originally posted by thedman
reply to post by coyotepoet
So granted, the 767 is bigger and heavier but that still doesn't explain why all 3 buildings went down at nearly freefall speed when 1 of those buildings, Bldg 7, didn't even get hit.
Bigger and heavier - Right by a factor of 15 (300,000 lbs for 767 vs 20,000 for B 25)
Also add in the difference in velocity by a factor of some 2.5 to 3 times that of B25
Energey produced is dependent on square of velocity x weight
Energy release at WTC was some 90 to 130 times that of Empire State Bld
Think the building being hit by some 100 times the energy had some effect on why it collapsed...?
Originally posted by Alfie1
reply to post by robile
I don't see what the square footage of the Empire State building compared to a wtc tower has to do with anything.
thedman was quite right. The kinetic energy generated in each WTC strike was roughly the equivalent to 100 of the B25 impacts. Work it out yourself.
Originally posted by thedman
reply to post by robile
Have a math problem?
Energy =1/2 ( velocity Squared x weight) (E=1/2(V2*W))
North tower impact 2.5 time ESB square = 6.25 x 15 = 94 times energy
South tower impact 3 times ESB square = 9 x 15 = 135 times energy
Since 1/2 factor is same in both equations and only the variable numbers change can ignore it
By the way, I'm sure you know that the WTC towers with built to handle the impact of a 707 in mind. If you look up the stats for that plane you would see that these buildings were designed to withstand an impact of 3.8bil joules. That means those planes on 9/11 tested only 71% of the stress that the twin towers were built to withstand.