Government mandating access to private property in Cedar Falls!!

The city council in Cedar Falls voted to require lockboxes with the keys to businesses and apartments. Seems unconstitutional to me!!

www.nolockbox.org...

dont like this at all..this is susposed to be so fire dept can get in..if your business is on fire they smash a door they wont fool with keys...underlieing motive..they have keys to your appartment can the cops or cps just unlock and come in??another useless ..wouldnt it be nice if we could do what we want law

reply to post by granpabobby


I'm sure this won't fly. I know it wouldn't in my community.

reply to post by deesul69


S & F.

That Shamar guy saying "The merits of an idea does not depend on the number of ppl supporting it" is completely antithetical to the very idea of "Government for the people, by the people". I would suggest he leave and reside instead in the nation of his ancestors, not the US.

Practical considerations aside, such as a criminal who wants into your house simply shooting the damned lock box and getting the key, this is a fundamental 4th amendment assault.

Any bunch of losers on a city-council which decided to impose that would not care for my personal response. That box would wind up up filled with kitty fecal matter delivered to said city council in person.

OP-Your link doesnt appear to provide any reasoning from the council.

or perhaps i missed it. What's their reasoning?

reply to post by incrediblelousminds


The only thing that I caught is that it will supposedly save the cost of breaking down the door for police or fire dept. responders.

One of the residents had a great point, which was "If I have a fire at my apartment, the last thing I care about is the cost of the fire department breaking my door!!"

It's unbeleiveable that they could even think about implementing this!!

reply to post by deesul69


yeah, if that's truly their reasoning, it' pretty bizarre.

We have things like that all over California for many facilities such as multi-tenant office buildings, facilities with long driveways, apartment complexes and storage facilities with gates and such, and have had it for years. The boxes are referred to as "Knox-Box" and key of choice installed is typically made by Medeco. You see them all over and they have a reflective red strip at the top.
To date, I know of no instances where the boxes have been accessed for illicit purposes. Keys themselves are difficult to obtain and the locks are comparatively difficult to pick.

My comments on another thread in regards to this issue:

I live in Iowa and have been following this real close!

The city councilman that states "it is for a higher authority to decide" will be easily replaced. The people of CF are ticked about this and it shows the audacity of even our local governments!

This is BS and if it makes its way to Des Moines you will see even more issues than you can imagine. That's why I think it will die there.

I'm sure it'll be killed quickly. It's a dumb idea but if they make it law it's not unconstitutional just stupid.

Once these guys in office see how upset the voters are I imagine they will backtrack fairly quickly.

Well if the residents allow this to fly, don't be surprised if they do the same everywhere else, than up the ante by requiring people to do the same on private residences.....

Isn't this great? Local government makes a decision and wants the people to abide by it. Where are all the Ron Paul cheerleaders loving this decision made by LOCAL government and not the federal government? Seriously...

The place would be burnt to the ground before they found the right key. COST of breaking down a door of a burning building????????????. Now how much does it cost to kick in a door? Ask the police and Swat team they do it all the time and more often then not at the wrong house. What is next? Are the police and Swat teams going to ask for keys as well because they are too lazy to knock down a door? Each day just as I think things have hit bottom and can not go any lower some one proves me wrong and digs the hole even deeper. I really believe the whole world is going insane and losing its mind.

Absolutely it's unconstitutional..

Unfortunately, it's also allowed under provisions of the PATRIOT ACT.

This most misnamed act in US history takes away more Constitutionally guaranteed freedoms than any other bill in US history, and provides Government agents the ability to enter your home at any time, without cause, without a warrant, even when you're not home, and they don't even have to tell you they were there.

And the USA re-elected the President who signed off on this henious piece of legislature, which was passed ELEVEN DAYS after 9/11.

About the only act that ever got passed quicker than this after its introduction was the bank bailout of 2008.

Of course, the current President extended provisions annually three times and just signed off on a four year extension of all the provisions that by definition of the bill itself were supposed to be renewed annually "after careful review".

Oh well, the same current President also hasn't returned the over $700 billion from the Treasury that was lent to the banks under TARP - it's simply been realocated to other programs once repaid. The money was given to the US Government by Congress to be used ONLY for TARP money and was to be repaid to the Treasury IMMEDIATELY upon repayment to the Government, and was specifically setup to not be used for ANY OTHER PURPOSE, AT ALL.

Democratic Presidents are just at bad at breaking the rules as Republican Presidents.

reply to post by deesul69


Maybe I am wrong but seems to me it is being mandated by a higher authority than the stoogies sitting in that room claiming they are the representatives of the people. I live here in Blackhawk county and this gives me the creeps. Knowing that a group of men have the key to walk into my place at anytime day or night. I absolutely would never get any sleep. They act as though because they think they are above the law. they never break the law. I have seen and heard too much from so called law enforcement. I know people who have been robbed. I know women who have been raped by those they claim are here to protect us. Now they want to give all of them the keys to our homes. There is no difference walking into an apartment or single residence it is still my home. I absolutely can hardly believe they now are demanding by mandate the keys to my home. Next it will be the keys to our cars so they can drive off in them anytime they want.

Originally posted by redrose123
reply to post by deesul69

 

Maybe I am wrong but seems to me it is being mandated by a higher authority than the stoogies sitting in that room claiming they are the representatives of the people. I live here in Blackhawk county and this gives me the creeps. Knowing that a group of men have the key to walk into my place at anytime day or night. I absolutely would never get any sleep. They act as though because they think they are above the law. they never break the law. I have seen and heard too much from so called law enforcement. I know people who have been robbed. I know women who have been raped by those they claim are here to protect us. Now they want to give all of them the keys to our homes. There is no difference walking into an apartment or single residence it is still my home. I absolutely can hardly believe they now are demanding by mandate the keys to my home. Next it will be the keys to our cars so they can drive off in them anytime they want.

As mentioned just now, Government agents have had this power since Sept 2001, under provisions of the PATRIOT ACT. You've slept pretty soundly since then, why has this changed for you now?

You don't need to be breaking the law for the Government to enter your home anymore, and they sure as hell don't need a key.

reply to post by babybunnies


I'd be interested to see you show how it's unconstitutional. It's dumb yes but nothing illegal about it. The only thing that might possibly apply would be the 3rd amendment but even that's a very gray area.

And actually the quickest thing ever passed by Congress was FDR's bank thing he submitted in the morning of his first day in office. It was passed mere hours later and signed into law.

reply to post by babybunnies


Patriot act is broad based. Apparaently the city council think they have to have the keys to enter your home first. I don't know where you live but things have been pretty normal here. Each state has differnt laws and the way they enforce them. There have been a couple of swat team invasions for drug busts which is bad enough. But to have the key to walk into your home even you have to find that outrageous.,

reply to post by kro32


If you people actually approve of being forced to give your keys to the criminals we call government then I hope all of you get home invaded by the thugs yoiu apparently admire. This is the exact reasoning that make us the laughing stock of the entire planetr.

There was more than likely an event that triggered this legislation. I don't know the facts but there was probably an emergency somewhere and they couldn't get access to something which prompted this. Otherwise this is such a silly idea I find it hard to believe they would just come up with this out of the blue unless people think that now city council members are becoming part of the NWO.

If government really wanted in your house a little door is not going to stop them and they aren't worried about having keys.