California`s June Oddity

Originally posted by czygyny

Yep...I don't know about 'experts' and 'scientists' and their predictions and prognotisticating...but an aged white oak tree stump I happened along some years ago told a tale of cyclic wet and dry years for at least 200 years.

While our area experiences protracted droughts and then ample rain, this stump showed six or seven exeedingly rich, fat rings every half century or so, proving that perhaps what is going on right now is *not* the result of our meddling in the balance of nature, or a cosmic disruption but a normal cycle of wet and cool, hot and dry that has been going on for a long, long time---well before we were burning fossil fuels or pumping chemicals into the atmosphere.

Tree rings don't lie...but people with an agenda, do.

Your post is thought provoking and admirable star for you. Thanks for all of your opinions, this subject really intrigues me.

reply to post by reesie45


The secret to understanding 'global warming' is that:
when massive bodies of water (oceans) heat up they change the course of upper air flows- like the Jet Stream in the northern hemisphere. Remember, hot air rises and carries moisture with it.

The changes in these upper air flows in speed and position mean that there will be more drastic weather. Stronger storms, more snows, more tornadoes, etc. Any system really that needs cold dry air meeting warm moist air.

The Jet Stream is higher north up into the Arctic this year over the Pacific Ocean. Then it is dropping down farther (and running faster) over the middle of the country. There it is sucking hot, moist air up from the Gulf and pulling that on up and out over the Atlantic on the Eastern Seaboard.

So you have cool air moving down over California. By the time it gets to the mid-south states and starts sucking in warm, moist air from the Gulf - BOOM major storms. When it is not storming then (because of capping, etc)- you are just going to cook. Like in a pressure cooker.

People just need to understand that you cannot change a system this rapidly without feeling some major changes - and here they are.

today i was in sacramento and it was sunny cold and raining at the same time. the weather in the surrounding areas has been far from normal as i have lived here my whole life. it's sunny and 80o one day and 45o and raining the next morning, followed by sunshine and the temp going back up to mid 80's.

the thing that has been having me on edge lately is my cats (i have 5 but live in a huge house) seem to be desperately wanting to run away every time a door is open, also they just sit in or around the windows and cry out the window and walk around in circles. they seem very agitated and have NEVER been like this ever.

may very well be they are freaking out over the weather, but it has been VERY strange weather indeed

Weather is crazy for summer time in my town. I just hate the rain we get this weekend.

Originally posted by czygyny

Yep...I don't know about 'experts' and 'scientists' and their predictions and prognotisticating...but an aged white oak tree stump I happened along some years ago told a tale of cyclic wet and dry years for at least 200 years.

While our area experiences protracted droughts and then ample rain, this stump showed six or seven exeedingly rich, fat rings every half century or so, proving that perhaps what is going on right now is *not* the result of our meddling in the balance of nature, or a cosmic disruption but a normal cycle of wet and cool, hot and dry that has been going on for a long, long time---well before we were burning fossil fuels or pumping chemicals into the atmosphere.

Tree rings don't lie...but people with an agenda, do.

Yea you don't know nuthin bout that fancy scientifikin and prognosticatin. Maybe we all betta just get back to usin outhouses and believin that the earth is flat.

But you see, I'm not buying your 'cotton eye joe' act or your bull# story about 'that thar ol stump'.

One thing I am sure of though- while hundreds of thousands of climate scientists worldwide have not joined in an 'agenda' to.... what? What is those hundreds of thousands of climate scientists agenda anyway? Spit it out.

One group collective does have an agenda and that is to protect the billions of dollars in profit that it makes EVERY YEAR - the Carbon Fuels industry. See www.heatisonline.com and you will see the millions that the petroleum and coal industry is spending to keep the climate change denial machine going. They are going so far now as to THREATEN the lives of Climate Scientists. Yep- that is what happens when companies have billions in profits to protect.
And if you are part of that machine by your 'down home shucks don't know nuthin bout no science' act - you are part of a terrorist organization.

More than 30 researchers across Australia ranging from ecologists and environmental policy experts to meteorologists and atmospheric physicists told The Canberra Times they are receiving a stream of abusive emails threatening violence, sexual assault, public smear campaigns and attacks on family members. www.canberratimes.com.au...

So you tell me- WHO has an agenda? An agenda so extensive that it involves death threats? The only precursor to that I could even imagine would be to protect Billions in Oil and Coal profits.

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Here in the High Sierra's we have plenty of weather happening.

Amgen Bike race was cancelled due to snow.

They will be bike racing around Lake Tahoe in rain today.

Can't stop those "geektypes" dressed in old clothes ,,They talketh like thithith rain or shine.
www.valhallafaire.com...

Skiing is happening at Alpine Meadows Ski resort through 4th of July:
www.skialpine.com...

The Lake has been too choppy and cold for anyone other then a couple of fisherman to boldly go catch fish.
NO boats out there.
It snowed at Lake level last night but did'nt stick.

The Casinos are the only business that LOVE this weather. Keep those Outdoor types that come up here INSIDE gambling.

I have always asked.. What would be a normal weather pattern? The tree rings would be a very reliable tacking sytem.
Here are records back to 1861 in Illinois.
weather.about.com...

That's it? 150 years on a 3.5billion year old planet?
www.talkorigins.org...

I don't see a pattern with which to guage at ALL. How the heck can you make a chart and graph 150years into a billion?

I guess I'm saying we don't know what normal is based on a 150years.

OH and yes..all the tributaries are flowing FAST.. So if your going kayaking..TRIPLE check your river or stream route.
No you won't drown..(I hope) But some of the tributaries have low branches in the water.

You can spot all the kayakers in Town right now.. They ALL have face scrapes from eating a little bark.

You don't even have to ask.

Just kinda look and say "how'd that Upper Truckee River work for ya?"


LOL

reply to post by incrediblelousminds


nobody said climate science is a hoax, i certainly didn't say it.

all i said is "results may vary" depending on who finances and supports the studies to later profit and introduce policies and agendas due to those same studies.

the science itself is veritable, now the practical use given to climate science?

sorry but that is a bunch of strong words ats wont allow me to type


i believe this has happened and will happen before, even if we werent as many or poluting so much it would still be happening.

like everything else in this planet its just another bid for profit.

and thats why the copenhagen climate summit was as ridiculous as it was, but for that ill translate a very nice article.

"Cannibal" turned the failure of hope in Copenhagen By Rainer Daehnhardt In recent weeks witnessed fierce battles of campaigns and counter-information, with respect to the Copenhagen Summit. Some hoped to introduce a flat rate, which in turn require the creation of a world body, for collecting the same. Within this context, it is understood, for the first time that the famous chips, to be applied in automobiles, were not only to facilitate the collection of tolls on motorways (which enabled Wood to the rejection of its implementation). Were intended rather for permanent record of the movement of vehicles by satellite and will count the miles done per year, which would determine the amount of tax payable. It was also expected that this system was carried to such an extent that was possible only through its deployment of a global tax organization, via the United Nations and International Monetary Fund. Others hoped that Obama would take advantage to declare the creation of the North American Union, joining Canada, Mexico and the United States with the implementation of a new currency, as coined two years ago and called the AMERO. It is also speculated that the currency would be introduced this "Trizonia American and the Euro area. Could well be a joint devaluation of the dollar and the euro and closer interconnection of these peoples to explore. What nobody predicted was what eventually happened! The meetings prior to the summit demonstrated a total lack of understanding between different stakeholders. The conviction was so successful that the Danish minister, who organized the entire meeting, resigned in the middle of it, realizing that neither the Prime Minister showed his willingness to align with what was previously agreed. So many secret organizations that have intervened at this summit, which quickly established the Babylonian confusion, not knowing if more were to follow the individual wills of their rulers, their political groupings, their secret organizations or financial, that behind the scenes tried to make all the puppets dancing to your liking. It became a real mess! Crowds of Protestants, also organized and funded by handlers, caused the police intervention, which helped the "media circus". Thus, it is thought that the anti-globalist demonstrations and anti-pollution were the cause of the failure of Copenhagen. Nonsense! They had no weight in the matter, although the media like to make him understand. Who had the weight of the fly that made the arm of the balance of the events fall into the general debacle was only one delegate, the so-called "cannibal." A simple man, honest, confident and not afraid to raise your voice. I speak of the representative of Tuvalu, a tiny state of Polynesia, including Hawaii and Australia, comprised of nine islands, of which 6 are atolls with a total area of ​​26 km2, or one sixth of our island of Flores. Neighboring Samoa, Fiji and the Marshall Islands, sat out in the Berlin Conference, when Imperial Germany, Britain and France divided the zones of influence in Polynesia and protectorates. The reason they have stayed out was simple. Nobody wanted them then. Even cannibals lived there. The Americans sent in the second half of the nineteenth century, a mission comprising three missionaries to convince the islanders to embrace the American protection. Eventually be part of a great party menu tribal! Only in 1892 were convinced (by force) to accept their integration into British protectorates of islands in the South Seas in 1978 declared themselves independent. When the representative of these islanders arrived at Copenhagen, was enraged by his nation to have been forgotten in the representation of all the nations of the United Nations, presented a large globe of stone in the great hall. Resolved remedy this lack with his felt tip pen, showing the islands north of New Zealand and writing their name on the side. So far, so good! When, however, the U.S. representative tried to speak on behalf of all and in conclusion, having taken the word is already the 3rd time, without the Polynesian had been given the word, this, which explains the strong indignation, banned American use more the word! First because I had already spoken twice, and he represented the people of Tuvalu have not had the chance to say a word. Second, because it gave the U.S. the right to complete whatever it was on behalf of the representatives of other countries present in the room! And, thirdly, because everyone spoke only in amounts of money or percentages of pollution, when, in the case of his country, a rise in the sea in only half a meter, would condemn all of its islands to disappear! For his nation this is a life or death struggle and nothing was being seen in these terms in Copenhagen. When the Americans were silent and the room was shown to be largely beside the island, we saw that there was the slightest chance of agreement on anything. The Heads of State of the countries with the highest profile, then discovered they had very urgent matters on their agendas and left the scene, returning to their home countries without anything, except the shame of having fled to the truth. The Danes had given the name "HOPENHAGA" Summit will therefore thought that it could bring hope for a consensus in reducing air pollution. A Polynesian (corridors called the descendant of cannibals) ended up dropping the summit because it was not daunted. Armed with the truth publicly demonstrated that weak legs of clay have all this globalism. Unintentionally, have transformed the failure of Copenhagen in the hope that recognition of the weakness of this system, based on lies, can still save humanity.

source www.grifo.com.pt...

google translated, so may not be accurate, but still gives out the idea

Alex Jones nailed this one.. Weather for cash.
www.prisonplanet.com...

Originally posted by kro32

Originally posted by reesie45
reply to post by kro32

 

Yeah but now they are saying its climate change is there a difference between global warming and climate change? I heard that in some places its getting colder so instead of the earth warming its getting colder. everything is so distorted anymore.

No the temperature is definetly going up world wide even if some specific locations get colder the overall temperature is rising. That's just a matter of taking temps around the world and you won't find a scientist who will debate that. It's just a fact.

The causes and future effects are debateable however and this is how the climate change plays in. Scientists don't really know what effect that drastically rising temps will have on weather so now it looks like this may be what is playing out.

Temps in the past have risen and fallen but if you do a bit of research you'll see charts showing that we are currently heating up faster, alot faster actually, than at any time in recorded history. Geologic recorded history mind you.

We were in normal cycles until the 1920's and since than the temp has gone pretty much straight up...way out of the ordinary so it's logical to expect that kind of increased warming to have some affect on weather patterns.

I think you need to give us documentation on the statement above. The temp is not going up here in California. Not by my internal temperature gage, my backyard thermometer, my lagging garden or my closet of summer clothes gathering dust.

I llive is So. Cal. This is the second year, that I have noticed a year-round over-all cold pattern. And it's obvious to everyone here. Last year about this time, June, A friend and I worried that our combined summer vaction would be cold in July. It ended up warming up for that July trip, but it was not burning hot like in the past.

SO yeah, I think we might be heading into a global cooling period. And I don't like it.

Originally posted by hazey
crisisjones.wordpress.com...

I already linked this?

Originally posted by Stratus9

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So you tell me- WHO has an agenda? An agenda so extensive that it involves death threats? The only precursor to that I could even imagine would be to protect Billions in Oil and Coal profits.

The general theme of this thread is the wierd weather this June in California.

My answer was not directed at the global changes of climate, of the 'beast' who has its agenda for world-wide dominion, nor of the faithful, honest scientists who have been facing such pressures and who will ultimately pay the ultimate price for their resistance to its agenda.

For the record not only do I believe that the overall weather for the world is changing, but I do believe that we as a species have had a direct hand in it whether it be outright weather weapons, the acidification of our watersheds by fossil fuel, manipulated records to drive an agenda or simple greed to continue the status quo. Not to mention the fact that over time the climate changes on this planet all on its own, and top it off with solar system wide changes noted on other planets.

What I am saying is this...according to even our own records going back as long as Europeans have lodged here on the west coast, and the tree rings corroborate the information, wierd weather happens in California. Period. Protracted droughts, ample rains, and everything in between.

This weather pattern is very similar to the end of our famous drought in the late 70's where scientists declared that Shasta Lake would take years to refill after this protracted dry time. It took a few months of rain the next winter to not only FILL it but cause one of the first times they've had to open all of the spillway as well as the drums on top in a spectacular show of Shasta Dam beauty, with flooding downstream.

What it boils down to is this...this weather in California this winter and spring is not something terribly unusual. It may be a bad year across the whole U.S. and an indicator for trouble to come, time will tell that tale, but for now it is just a cool, wet and cloudy cycle that repeats itself. I have a feeling California will be back in its dry times someday soon.

reply to post by reesie45


It's called La Nina .. cooling of ocean water.. follows El Nino which is the warming of ocean waters.. this follows a cycle, has for millions of years.

Global Warming was a false attempt by Progressive to get us to pay more for "Green" items, and pay hefty taxes for "Sustainability"

Climate Change is the false idea by Progressives to replace Global Warming after it was proven to be a sham .. the end goal is still the same, taxation and corporate profits.

Neither exist.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by reesie45

 

It's called La Nina .. cooling of ocean water.. follows El Nino which is the warming of ocean waters.. this follows a cycle, has for millions of years.

Global Warming was a false attempt by Progressive to get us to pay more for "Green" items, and pay hefty taxes for "Sustainability"

Climate Change is the false idea by Progressives to replace Global Warming after it was proven to be a sham .. the end goal is still the same, taxation and corporate profits.

Neither exist.

this right here.
here is some honest truth on this subject.

i was trying to, but couldn't have said it better.


and you guys still dont trust masons?

reply to post by reesie45


Heres a quick lesson on global warming:
Yes it has the name WARMING in the title, but that doesn't mean all it will do is WARM. It can WARM and COOL places based on their location.
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And btw to everyone saying this weather isn't "normal". Do you have the weather data for the past 10k+ years? no I didn't think so. When the earth has been around for millenia, you can't say "this weather isn't normal" based on weather nomalities for the past 30 years, because the Earth has been around for so long, 30 years is basically a milisecond in timespan.

Originally posted by thedeadwalkk
reply to post by reesie45

 

Heres a quick lesson on global warming:
Yes it has the name WARMING in the title, but that doesn't mean all it will do is WARM. It can WARM and COOL places based on their location.
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And btw to everyone saying this weather isn't "normal". Do you have the weather data for the past 10k+ years? no I didn't think so. When the earth has been around for millenia, you can't say "this weather isn't normal" based on weather nomalities for the past 30 years, because the Earth has been around for so long, 30 years is basically a milisecond in timespan.

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Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by reesie45

 

It's called La Nina .. cooling of ocean water.. follows El Nino which is the warming of ocean waters.. this follows a cycle, has for millions of years.

Global Warming was a false attempt by Progressive to get us to pay more for "Green" items, and pay hefty taxes for "Sustainability"

Climate Change is the false idea by Progressives to replace Global Warming after it was proven to be a sham .. the end goal is still the same, taxation and corporate profits.

Neither exist.

Guess what? La Nina is supposed to suppress storm formation off the Pacific coast- not enhance it. So even THAT is anomalous this year. Stop trying to pretend that these extreme, worldwide weather disasters are 'normal'. They are not normal- and you know it and anyone with half a brain knows it.

Munich Re - the worlds largest re-insurer certainly knows it and has paid out more for weather related disasters this past 2 years than in the 10 years preceding.

From December 29, 2010- before this springs storms added to this:

“Globally, 2010 has been the warmest year since records began over 130 years ago, the ten warmest during that period all falling within the last 12 years. The warmer atmosphere and higher sea temperatures are having significant effects. Prof. Peter Höppe, Head of Munich Re’s Geo Risks Research/Corporate Climate Centre: “It’s as if the weather machine had changed up a gear. Unless binding carbon reduction targets stay on the agenda, future generations will bear the consequences.”

“Munich Re’s natural catastrophe database, the most comprehensive of its kind in the world, shows a marked increase in the number of weather-related events. For instance, globally there has been a more than threefold increase in loss-related floods since 1980 and more than double the number of windstorm natural catastrophes, with particularly heavy losses as a result of Atlantic hurricanes. ... it would seem that the only plausible explanation for the rise in weather-related catastrophes is climate change."

Originally posted by Stratus9

Guess what? La Nina is supposed to suppress storm formation off the Pacific coast- not enhance it.

Are you sure about that?

My understanding is it normally brings wet weather to the pacific coast...

While a typical La Niña — the low-temperature side of the cycle known as the El Niño/Southern Oscillation — usually brings wet weather to the western Pacific, it also brings dry conditions to the Southern United States, including Southern California.

Typical La Niña Impacts La Niña tends to bring nearly opposite effects of El Niño to the United States — wetter than normal conditions across the Pacific Northwest and dryer and warmer than normal conditions across much of the southern tier. The impacts of El Niño and La Niña at these latitudes are most clearly seen in wintertime. In the continental U.S., during El Niño years, temperatures in the winter are warmer than normal in the North Central States, and cooler than normal in the Southeast and the Southwest. During a La Niña year, winter temperatures are warmer than normal in the Southeast and cooler than normal in the Northwest.

www.publicaffairs.noaa.gov...


Not that I agree with the persons opinions of climate change you were responding to. Just wanted to clarify La Nina's effect on the pacific coast for my own understanding. Please correct me if I'm wrong.