Did Kerry use a lighter to torch villages?

Originally posted by slank
John Kerry was involved in the messy business that war is. GW Bush could not even be bothered to show up in Alabama, was AWOL and a DESERTER.

"The documents released on Friday by the Pentagon included two faded computerized payroll sheets showing Bush was not paid during the latter part of 1972 and offer no evidence to place Bush in Alabama during the latter part of 1972."
www.reuters.com...

He wasn't paid because he wasnt there. period.

Cluck, Cluck, Cluck for Chicken George.
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I love how you people work. George Bush is committing war crimes by attacking Iraq. John Kerry was caught up in the messy business of war.

Well atleast I can see why your for Kerry, you flip flop on definitions as much as he does.

Darktalon you are a no win issue, but I still like your tenacity and for Iraq well we will live to that day when Iraq will go after US for war crimes. Just wait and see.

[edit on 6-8-2004 by marg6043]

Originally posted by marg6043
Darktalon you are a no win issue, but I still like your tenacity and for Iraq well we will live to that they when Iraq will go after US for war crimes. Just wait and see.

Well thank you, but it's not so much tenacity as knowledge of the stuff I'm talking about .

Ofcourse you say its not a winable arguement, because you refuse to engage in it with facts. So, some might say by default the team that shows up to play wins.

The US Government has not, and did not commit war crimes in Iraq, certian individuals have acted against regulations, and some more then likely against the Geneva Convention. If individuals have done so, they should be charged and punished for the crimes they commited. The US Military teachs its members the rules of warfare, and it is the individuals choice to break those rules. The military teaches that in the instance that someone in your chain of command orders you do something that is unlawful, your should not, and are NOT suppose to follow those orders.

That is also why I feel so strongly against John Kerry, not only did he do these things, he admits to, but he followed unlawful orders, and worse, gave unlawful orders. That my friends is not a hero, but either a pawn with no moral backbone, or a psyciopath(sp?). Niether is a very commendable personality.

Well, first of all GW Bush doesn't have the Balls to go to war.
Kerry did.

If you are talking about war crimes view this Darktalon:
"Afghan Massacre: The Convoy of Death"
www.democracynow.org...

Or are you just politically selective when it comes to war crimes?

Just a Bush apologist, perhaps?

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[edit on 6-8-2004 by slank]

No sir, I am not in the bi-partisen boxing match, I'm not a conservative, so not a rebublican, I'm not a socialist, so I'm not a democrat. I am an issues man, and I look at the best person of the two for the job.

You guys just pick the worst things to bash Bush on. Pick stem-cell research, regulations on abortion, gay rights, and I'm against him also. Pick Iraq, war monger, or war crimes, and your of base. Pick Kerry over Bush, and I'm for Bush. I'll take a guy who was AWOL, and behind the social times, comparied to a man that commited war crimes (real war crimes), and hasn't found a issue to vote on, that he can't change a year later.

I am a firm believer in right and wrong. I also know more about iraq, afgan, and special operations then most people, probably cause I was there.

Reguarding your link, my first question would be why did this small time news program get the story before the majors, and have the majors even touched this "documentory"? If they haven't, might want to think why not?

My second question would be, we've seen what independent documentories can do.

I wish I remembered the name of the guy that use to do the documentries that weren't even true, he use to talk about towns and people and their struggles, they looked and felt like real history, but it was totally false. So what is the validity of the statements in the documentory?

The UN not doing an investigation until the Afgan government can protect the witnesses? Wouldn't you think the UN would do that, if that was the one reason holding them back?

Its often funny how hundreds of reporters are crawling over our military in every area of operations, yet this independent documentor gets the "real" story. And no majors get the scoop first?

If it is true, I expect those respondsable to be held respondsable, charged and convicted.

Thing some of you seem to forget, our military personel, and training doesn't change every 4 years. We aren't bi-partizen, so no matter who's in office we make our decision one way, by our own moral code, the Geneva Convention, and the code of military justice.

[edit on 6-8-2004 by Darktalon]

200 veterans with homorable discharges who served next to kerry cant be wrong.

i am switching to bush kerry is a liar and a pompous billionaire who in 19 years in the senate did not accomplsh anything thats why he keeps talking about his vietnam days-while it is a big lie

if he wont release his medical records from vietnam where he claims to be a wounded hero-you can only conclude he is full of sh_t What is kerry hiding?

www.swiftvets.com...




[edit on 6-8-2004 by bigal66]

And because the major networks of US won't touch it makes it not true? How terribly provincial. This has been viewed all around the world, just not here in the US.

"The film, never before shown in the U.S., aired during the Friday broadcast of Democracy Now!, at 9 a.m. EST. Afghan Massacre: the Convoy of Death has been broadcast on national television in Britain, Germany, Italy and Australia and has been screened by the European parliament."
www.democracynow.org...

You deny it's validity yet refuse to view or investigate it. Isn't that rather unobjective?

If you didn't see it it didn't happen right? You are like the hooded falcon, calm because you can see nothing. It reveals your hypocritical streak DarkTalon. You're not alone in that.
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Originally posted by slank
And because the major networks of US won't touch it makes it not true? How terribly provincial. This has been viewed all around the world, just not here in the US.

"The film, never before shown in the U.S., aired during the Friday broadcast of Democracy Now!, at 9 a.m. EST. Afghan Massacre: the Convoy of Death has been broadcast on national television in Britain, Germany, Italy and Australia and has been screened by the European parliament."
www.democracynow.org...

You deny it's validity yet refuse to view or investigate it. Isn't that rather unobjective?

If you didn't see it it didn't happen right? You are like the hooded falcon, calm because you can see nothing. It reveals your hypocritical streak DarkTalon. You're not alone in that.
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slank, if you took the time to actually read what I said, I asked questions about its validity, because the fact that the major news stations haven't picked it up, there is usually something wrong with the cradentials.

I never denied its validity, I questioned it, as any objective person would. I never refused to view or investigate it.

Hypocritical? Critical maybe, but not hypocritical.

I also said if it were true I expect those guilty of the crimes to be charged on punished.

I never took a stance one way or another, I simple stated some questions, and the fact that others have produced false, or misleading documentories.

Unobjective? Well thats the pot calling the kettle black, because it fits your beliefs it must be true.

Originally posted by Codemaster_01
Does anyone know whether Kerry used a lighter or a match to torch villages?

Were the innocent citizens who were killed shot or knifed?

How is it possible as a naval officer that he didn't know this was legal until he returned to the U.S.

Did he make any videos of any of this torture for which he was presumably present?

Does he still claim he was present during these incidents?

Just how does this fit in with Secret Societies? Are you saying he did or did not do this becasue he was acting under some nefarious society?
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From what little I know of kerry's visits to Vietname, he spend little time on the ground there. When did this happen? Not that I'm defending him, but most of his time there was spent on the water.

Besdies, he was too busy racking up 5 medals and three wounds in four months. (Three wounds is the magic number to request re-assignment out of Vietnam, which was granted to him.)

[edit on 7-8-2004 by DontTreadOnMe]

DTOM, Kerry was a swift boat commander, swift boats operated through the miles of snaking rivers, they carry troops, and often assualted enemy villages near the water. If you've ever watched the move Apocolypse Now, that I believe was a swift boat. The average service man in Vietnam saw 240 days of combat out of 365 days, which is far more then any other war in our history, so it very likely that Kerry was in the thick of it for those 4 months.

One thing I don't do is question his medals, I wonder, and think it odd that in 4 months he was injuried 3 times, and none were life threatening, and none took very long to recover from, but he has them. I like to spend my time contiplating that fact that no one seems to care that he admits to committing war crimes.

Its sad that people look to crucify one leader for going to war, and at the same time excuse one that admits to commiting atrocities. Time to check our wack-o-meter .

PS, don't really know why this thread is in Secret Societies myself heheh. Just went with it .

[edit on 7-8-2004 by Darktalon]

Darktalon,
I did see that movie, and I thank you for the clarification. I could see how you would be close to combat.
Kerry and his wounds aside, I do have a problem with a man running for president who can't seem to do better than bringing up his military achievements from 30-odd years ago. I think we might all agree that people change over that span of time. The people deserve to have kerry talking about his current "achievements"
From where I stand, he is not the man for the job.

I couldn't agree more. Especially in the last 4-6 months, he's missed some astronomical percentage of senate votes, last I heard he missed 14 out of 16 major votes, and refused to step down, so someone could actually do the job. Ya he has his voters best interests at heart.

On a lighter side, I have a friend that has a purple heart, people use to say to him stuff like "wow you got a purple heart, your a hero!!" he always answered "no I just suck at ducking?"