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Originally posted by Neytiri
Those who have followed the cattle mutilation stories may remember the report made by the author of this article of one of their cattle being dropped from such a height that her horns were embedded in the ground so deeply they had to use equipment to pull it out. The cow was mutilated and drained of blood like dozens of cattle before it. The rancher eventually stopped reporting the mutilations because the sheriff's department couldn't/wouldn't do anything about it.
Originally posted by Neytiri
Now, ranchers in the same area are reporting dozens if not hundreds of new calves missing this spring.
Originally posted by Neytiri
This is not only tragic, but nearly impossible to do without being detected, and without any evidence of anyone coming in on the ground, rounding up and corralling said cattle and then separating calves from cows, and then trailering them out.
Originally posted by Neytiri
Cows are being found in neighbor's pastures, or walking disoriented down roads they should not be on a few miles from the herd they came from. None of this is usual behavior.
Originally posted by WingedBull
Originally posted by Neytiri
Those who have followed the cattle mutilation stories may remember the report made by the author of this article of one of their cattle being dropped from such a height that her horns were embedded in the ground so deeply they had to use equipment to pull it out. The cow was mutilated and drained of blood like dozens of cattle before it. The rancher eventually stopped reporting the mutilations because the sheriff's department couldn't/wouldn't do anything about it.
Do you have that article?
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No, unfortunately I don't. I believe it happened in the mid- late nineties and was reported in the Red Bluff Daily News, same paper this article is in.
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Originally posted by Neytiri
Now, ranchers in the same area are reporting dozens if not hundreds of new calves missing this spring.
Where do you get the hundreds number?
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From local, word of mouth discussion between ranchers.
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There have been a lot, granted, dozens...but what is the normal number of calves rustled in a season?
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Very, very few. Nil or almost nil would be the norm. We're really rural here, and some of the place(s) these herds are wintered are not feedlots and small pastures, but on sections of land (640 acres plus) in some of the roughest volcanic areas around. It's not like 4 wheeling on flatland, it's steep and always treacherous, with some open flats of oats riddled with volcanic rock that'll take out an oilpan and undercarriage or high-center even a 4x4 vehicle if not slowly and carefully traversed. So jagged rocks and mud and steep terrain is what a truck/stock trailer rig would have to navigate to get to the cattle, and an enclosure with a loading ramp into which to herd the cattle in order to get them into the trailer(s), and horses and/or 4 wheelers to herd the cattle on, and finally the experienced personnel to do all this without any of the locals noticing them drive in and out of the area (locals seem to notice anything that isn't "normal" to their area) is what it would take to pull off this kind of rustling.
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Originally posted by Neytiri
This is not only tragic, but nearly impossible to do without being detected, and without any evidence of anyone coming in on the ground, rounding up and corralling said cattle and then separating calves from cows, and then trailering them out.
Nothing in the article suggests anything other than rustlers. It is not hard to see how rustlers could do it undetected, as ranchers may go weeks without seeing their herds.
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If you lived up here and knew the area, you may see differently. Yes, with great difficulty, some really talented rustlers born and raised in the area might be able to pull it off. But with no physical signs? Without being seen on the ONLY road that goes in to the area, that small farms/homes are on, and the main ranch the cattle belong to the last place passed before going in and the first going out? This is what gives me pause to think it might be other than simple rustlers. The sheer number of calves taken means repeated trips that would certainly get attention as a large truck and stock trailer, followed by another stock trailer with either saddled horses or 4 wheelers in it, and a truck after that with pipe panel fencing and cattle ramp....moving that much cattle is a BIG deal, a big job, and just couldn't go unnoticed. I just can't see how it couldn't.
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Originally posted by Neytiri
Cows are being found in neighbor's pastures, or walking disoriented down roads they should not be on a few miles from the herd they came from. None of this is usual behavior.
Nothing in the article says they are disoriented. There is also nothing in the article that says the cows have been found in neighboring pastures.
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No, nothing in the article says they are disoriented. I saw it with my own eyes in one of the instances.
quote: "This year since April 15, John and Candace Owens have had their neighbors phone them that there were a couple of tight-bagged cows along the road outside the fence, and no calves. A tight-bag is cow talk for an udder that has not been milked out. Or a JO branded cow with no calf in their pasture; not the Owens pasture."
This means that a JO branded cow was found in the neighbor's pasture, not the Owen's pasture. So yes, the article does say that the cows have been found in neighboring pastures. In this instance, they are talking about the lower road with the smaller farms/ranches, all of them well fenced and cross-fenced. Just how does a cow get from fenced pasture to another, in close proximity to their owners' houses if none of the fences were breached.
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What it says is that cows were found walking down the road, which is normal behavior if you let cows out of their pasture.