Three teens are rushed to hospital after taking anti psychotic drugs

CATOOSA, Oklahoma -- Three Catoosa middle school students were sent to the hospital Tuesday for taking antipsychotic drugs. A Catoosa middle schooler stole the prescription pills from mom's medicine chest and passed them out to her friends.

I hope they end up alright. And one other thing, we partied a lot in high school, but we NEVER just ate pills because they were pills. We always knew what we were taking...this new bravery is foolish, IMO.

Here is the full story from local news

Has anyone noticed this happening where you live? These "pill parties" or just blindly taking pills because they are pills?

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reply to post by sirhc0329


Iam 18, i have only taken some pills once as i had an idea what they were (one would hope !) But this stupidity, i just cant understand it, younger kids these days just dont seem to have very good common sense, or a sense of cause and effect !

Why would anyone take Seroquil, that stuff can KILL you? I am more concerned for the mother who takes that junk!

My mom takes it to help her sleep. When the doses are controlled, I bet it's not quite as lethal. Though I havn't reaearched it, at all. Just my opinion. I took one ONCE. I slept for like 14 hours, had to go to a few hardware stores with my dad, (mainly waited in the car) then came back home and slept for another six. That stuff is bru-tal

When I was 18 you couldn't find this sort of thing out. That isn't the case now.

Not one of them thought, "hey let's google this first?!"

So much information available... and yet ignorance continues to rule the day.

reply to post by Schkeptick


Why cant these kids just stick to smoking a joint for god sake, why does everyone feel the need to indulge in pharmacuticals, none of them are made with good intentions....

Originally posted by Schkeptick
When I was 18 you couldn't find this sort of thing out. That isn't the case now.

Not one of them thought, "hey let's google this first?!"

So much information available... and yet ignorance continues to rule the day.

Even today, if I find a pill, first thing I do, is google it. The mindset of, "lets just take it and see what it does" is completely rediculous.

It may just be that we are hearing about this sort of stuff more often. We're "jacked in" to the information superhighway (how long has it been since you've heard THAT phrase thrown at you?) - some yahoo no-name posts a video on YouTube of a cute rabbit and threatening to cook it for dinner if he doesn't get $20K in donations in two weeks will be an internet sensation within hours.

Thirty years ago, when the "information superhighway" was limited to newspaper, television, and radio networks (primarily) - silliness like that would probably have not even made it as filler on a slow news week.

Likewise - a few teens ODing on a prescription drug and saying: "We just popped a pill to see what would happen!" would probably not make it outside of a local paper (if that, most local papers are concerned more with town and local business affairs rather than writing articles about how dumb some people can be).

Though I do know that just about any prescription drug is often worth quite a bit in the more clandestine markets. It's become a pretty big problem, especially for elderly people who hire help around the house, people will come in and skim from the medicine cabinet. Doesn't really matter what it is - someone will pay to get some kind of a high off of it.

I suppose it's a version of roulette - you never quite know what you're taking, what dosage it is, or how it will react with you (and what else you're hopped up on). I highly doubt these kids would be doing it if they actually gave credence to the idea that they could be seriously harmed or killed - but kids are bulletproof. Hell - most people are, just look at the way they drive. They must be immortal.

Though there are considerably more pharmaceuticals on the market these days than in the decades prior. This is to be expected - it's kind of like how we have more varieties of cars on the road today than in the years prior. There are also more strands of many different drugs. "2CP" is relatively new, there are several different strains of pot being passed around (supposedly the experiences are different - I simply hear about it from people I know), and there are actual 'sciences' to subjecting the plants to various growth conditions to increase various chemical concentrations (it really isn't so "natural" anymore - grown in hydroponic systems and subject to an engineered growth cycle)....

A lot of things are changing. People wanting to do silly things like get high or 'messed up' on various drugs has not.... and some of the stuff out there now can kill you - both controlled by prescriptions and illegal through the underground markets. Prescription drugs are probably more dangerous than many of the drugs on the underground markets, to be honest - they are engineered to treat certain conditions and be used with a doctor's supervision. A teenager cracking back three times the 4-hour dosage while halfway intoxicated and tweaking on meth is not what pharmaceutical companies (or doctors) intended to be consuming their product.

The boy was taken to the hospital and finally admitted he had taken a 400 milligram pill of Seroquel, a drug used to treat schizophrenia and other mental illnesses.

You didn't post what they took...Well as someone who took 800mg a day for 6mths that stuff is horrible to be on. It made me a zombie, I couldn't function. My motor skills were affected and I only wanted to sleep. It made it really hard to work but I did. It took months for me to get use to it but i never really did. It wasn't good and it is very potent.

Kids should't be taking this at all! My friends step son was prescribed this and he was about 10 I believe and when I saw it I told her he needs to be off it. She thought he was making up how he felt (he was known to fake being sick) so when she told me what he was saying and then he told me I knew he wasn't lying because I felt the same way and I was an adult on these pills. I could only imagine how scary those feelings can be to a kid. She immediately took him off and gave them to me since I was still on it. His symptoms stopped after that. Why a doctor would give a child something so strong is beyond me. He was given it for ADHD!

Seroquel is used as an anti-psychotic and it is also used to treat bi-polar/manic depression, that was why I was on it. I will say it did balance me out but the side affects were just too much. It is now also being used to help with insomnia but I don't know if it really should, there are many pills out there for sleep aid, although it does knock you out but it is insanely fast and you do feel lethargic at first until you get use to it.

reply to post by Aim64C


'and there are actual 'sciences' to subjecting the plants to various growth conditions to increase various chemical concentrations (it really isn't so "natural" anymore - grown in hydroponic systems and subject to an engineered growth cycle).... '

I'd like to object to this statement, Hydroponics is merely a method of indoor growing where your replacing the grow medium i.e soil, with rockwool cubes or some other medium. Its a method to increase quality, potency and yield, it in no way makes it 'un-natural'. As for an engineered growth cycle, what are you referring too ? the Light cycles, feeding schedules ? please expand.

Originally posted by Vanishr
reply to post by Aim64C

 

'and there are actual 'sciences' to subjecting the plants to various growth conditions to increase various chemical concentrations (it really isn't so "natural" anymore - grown in hydroponic systems and subject to an engineered growth cycle).... '

I'd like to object to this statement, Hydroponics is merely a method of indoor growing where your replacing the grow medium i.e soil, with rockwool cubes or some other medium. Its a method to increase quality, potency and yield, it in no way makes it 'un-natural'. As for an engineered growth cycle, what are you referring too ? the Light cycles, feeding schedules ? please expand.

Yes please expand, I must have skipped right past that part, never saw it. What do you mean by engineered growth cycle?

reply to post by mblahnikluver

He was given it for ADHD!

Absolutly criminal in my opinion, I agree with another poster, keep it green.

Hope you and your friends kid are doing ok these days.

Every now and then I see some report or statement by an idiot who overdosed and the idiot will say something along the lines of "if it was bad it would be illegal" or "because it wasnt illegal I didnt think it was bad."

Ive heard it about prescription drugs, alcohol, that "spice" fake marihuana stuff and other things.

What I can;t figure out is whether or not the idiot is really that immensely stupid or if some lawyer is coaching the idiot to say something like that.

I've know so many incredibly stupid people in my life and not one of them would just assume legality equates to safety or even that illegality equates to danger.

Even if I were to assume that, yes, there exists an individual so stupid that they would equate legality with safety certainly the label on the bottle/product that is there in part because of its legal status would surely be read by someone with such faith in the system that dictates what is and is not safe by virtue of legality, no?

Just once I wish that a reporter would look one of these idiots in the eye and ask "are you really this stupid or is someone coaching you to act this stupidly?"

reply to post by Vanishr


It goes beyond simple hydroponics. The amount of light the plants receive is controlled, as well as temperature and humidity (when available). The plants are often "hardened" through repeated cycles of starvation and rejuvenation that increases a number of chemical concentrations well beyond 'natural' levels.

There's nothing really wrong with it - and, in a way, I'm kind of glad something has gotten people into studying the chemical cycles and processes of plants so intently. Though it's a bit tongue-in-cheek, as it's all just to get a better high... though I'm sure similar research and endeavors applied to herbs like garlic, the mint families, and others could yield similar results. In a round-about way, pot heads (or at least the people supplying them) have resolved a number of issues facing pharmacognicists regarding herbal remedies and dosages - which can vary wildly and, in some plants (such as Digitalis - more commonly known as Fox Glove - containing digitoxin - a very powerful and useful drug in treating cardiac patients and some other issues) the chemicals are so powerful and concentrations differ so greatly that it's almost impossible to use them effectively. This is why anyone using herbal remedies who has a clue what they are doing will 'start small and work up' - because the danger of overdose is often far greater than the penalties of underdose outside of emergency situations. Achieving consistency in the chemical makeup of plants is, actually, quite a feat.

There are even different 'breeds' being sold these days. Exactly what is different between them, I really don't know. "DNA" was a recent one being sought around here - though I'm not very confident that labeling and documentation is accurate and reliable. The guys growing the stuff likely keep rather decent records - but once it leaves their hands... who knows. One of the guys I know commented, after trying it for the first time, that his arms were going numb. Though he had also recently begun dabbling in some hallucinogenics. He's an interesting case as he used to be vehemently anti-drug. He started hanging out with a girl who uses drugs to "gain enlightenment" (I think it's more just for the sense of 'adventure' or the curiosity - but any experience you learn from is experience gained, I suppose) - and now he's dabbling in a lot of it. I honestly do think he gets high these days simply to avoid not being high - or something along the lines of a form of masturbation.

I would not at all be surprised to find out that certain strains of 'weed' have been genetically engineered. The technology to undertake that kind of research is affordable on an individual budget. With the kind of profit dealers and producers of -any- illicit drug make, the facilities to develop and study the insertion of new genes into any plant would be well within reach.

reply to post by Aim64C


Hey buddy you dont have to tell me how its done ; )

The amount of light is controlled indeed but this is nothing to do with anything sinister (seems what your implying) its merely again, for optimization, for vegging 18/6 is the best light/darkness cycle, and for flowering its 12/12. Temperature and humidity is controlled (by a more experienced grower) again, for optimization, for production of THC/CBD, growth, and to maximize the production and size of the buds.

I think you seem to believe that they are inserting 'bad' chemicals into there plants during growth ? i assure you any grower intending to smoke his own product will do nothing of the sort.

As for your mild comments on cloning, yes there are hundreds of different strains developed by companys or more competent growers, these are created via cross breeding the plants and cloning them, usually from a 'mother' plant, this is the one with the 'pure' genes used to create the other clones or different 'strains'

Again, no chemicals are involved so i again dont understand what your insinuating, all i can think is your getting nutrients confused with chemicals, during hydroponic growth, you must use nutrient feeds, as your plants will not grow/live in a hydroponic setup without these as they are not in soil, which is where the plants would normally get there nutrients from. Again these are the same 3 nutrients that they would use to grow in soil.

As for your comments on 'overdosing' lol i seriously hope your not talking about Marijuana as i believe that would ruin your credibility for having any relevant & correct information on the subject.

reply to post by Vanishr

I think you seem to believe that they are inserting 'bad' chemicals into there plants during growth ? i assure you any grower intending to smoke his own product will do nothing of the sort.

I'm merely taking the opportunity to jab at the underbelly of a number of the 'hippies' on the forums who like to run around demonizing medicine and food found in your local supermarket while talking about how pot is natural. It's subject to more engineering than just about any other plant out there.

Again, no chemicals are involved so i again dont understand what your insinuating, all i can think is your getting nutrients confused with chemicals, during hydroponic growth, you must use nutrient feeds, as your plants will not grow/live in a hydroponic setup without these as they are not in soil, which is where the plants would normally get there nutrients from. Again these are the same 3 nutrients that they would use to grow in soil.

Nutrients are also known as chemicals - often in the form of fertilizers. Plants need them to grow. On that note - you'd never use "organic" fertilizers in hydroponics due to the lack of consistency in exact composition as well as the specific heat of the break-down of organic material great enough to damage the cellular structure of the root. Though exactly what "organic" means these days is kind of like determining what "fat free" means.

As for your comments on 'overdosing' lol i seriously hope your not talking about Marijuana as i believe that would ruin your credibility for having any relevant & correct information on the subject.

I was talking about using plants for things other than getting high. For example - tomato plants are toxic - any part of the plant that produces chlorophyll also produces a substance that is toxic to the human body. Only the ripe fruit is devoid of this substance. Granted - you'd have to eat a few dozen plants to really cause yourself harm - but it's out there. Licorice, on the other hand, increases water retention in the body. Fox Glove (a very beautiful and potentially invasive flowering species) contains a substance known as digitoxin (named after the digitalis family that Fox Glove belongs to) - I mentioned this in my previous post. It's a very powerful drug that increases the strength with which the heart (and, I believe, other muscles) contracts. It's also easy to overdose and be sent into cardiac arrest.

Other herbs have some very powerful muscle relaxers.

The problem with using any of them is that natural growing conditions vary their chemical concentrations - making dosage determinations almost impossible. Further complicating it is the method of application - a tincture will behave differently from a compress - and both are considerably different from a salve or 'drop' (the oils of an herb mixed in with a candied mixture).

But this is straying quite a ways off topic. Not sure if it's my fault for making the comment earlier, or if it's been a group effort. In either case - picking up a medication you are unfamiliar with (including herbal ones) and using them is generally not a good idea. Do not inform your life insurance or healthcare insurance providers - as they will likely increase your rates if doing so is a habit of yours.

The dangers of prescription pills.

If drugs were legal you wouldn't have kids huffing glue, paint, or propane to get a buzz. They could do something more reasonable, like have a vodka tonic. Oh well, we can't give kids drugs, so I guess they'll just have to continue drinking paint thinner, it's for the kids, remember, say no to drugs, except for Ritalin, Prozac, Sereoquin, Viodox.

"One pill makes you taller, and the other pill makes you small,
and the one that mother gives you, won't do anything at all..."

...except perhaps send you to the hospital.

reply to post by filosophia

The dangers of prescription pills.

The dangers of chemicals, in general. 60% of plant life is inedible by human beings simply because of chemicals in the plant that are toxic. And we're some of the more robust animals that can metabolize large amounts of raw sugar, caffeine, etc.

Most house plants are toxic and will trigger involuntary vomiting if consumed. Some can kill pets and young children (poinsettias are well known for this). Fungi are just downright brutal - the few that won't kill you with a Flawless Victory look very similar to a dozen others that do - and should really not attempt to eat them without an expert or having considerable training yourself.

Vitamin A also has the potential to be lethal. Polar bear liver is so rich in this vitamin that eating even a small portion of it will make you horribly sick - if not kill you. en.wikipedia.org...

Trying to say that pharmaceuticals are any worse for you than much of what is already out there is simply silly. Pharmaceuticals take many things that, normally, would never be used to treat any kind of illness due to the complete unpredictability of "natural" medicinal doses and the potential for severely unpleasant (if not lethal) side effects - and make them stable and consistent in their concentrations and doses. This way, they can be applied practically and reliably to human and animal populations provided proper precautions are taken when considering factors like body mass, lean/fat compositions, age, and other biological factors that affect how drugs react with people.

If drugs were legal you wouldn't have kids huffing glue, paint, or propane to get a buzz.

There are plenty of "highs" out there that are more readily accessible than prescription pharmaceuticals. From mild depressants like weed to body-highs like MDMA, 2CP, and hallucinogenics like mushrooms and '___', to stimulants like methamphetamine - all are either more available - or just as available as most prescription drugs out there.

By your logic of people "using what's available" rather than "improvising" - pill-popping should not be all that popular. But it's one of the fastest growing trends in the nation short of prostitution-themed clothing for 5 year old girls.

They could do something more reasonable, like have a vodka tonic.

Alcohol is a poison. It is used to kill bacteria, fungus, and a wide range of other things.

Again - our anatomy has 'evolved' through time to allow us to process large amounts of alcohol. It is, in fact, necessary for society to have developed. One of the almost universal cultural trends was the production of alcohol. At about 2.4% alcohol concentration, fecal coliform and many other types of bacteria that tend to thrive in community water supplies are killed, while the alcohol content is low enough to not be dehydrating.

Of course, in nature, this is very handy to have, as many plant biomasses will ferment due to the yeasts naturally present in the air.

That said - alcohol is a poison to our body and must be metabolized. It is a frequently consumed poison - but it is a lethal substance to just about all known cells.

Oh well, we can't give kids drugs, so I guess they'll just have to continue drinking paint thinner, it's for the kids, remember, say no to drugs, except for Ritalin, Prozac, Sereoquin, Viodox.

The problem is society wanting a quick fix for their problems. People are easy to be awed - just look at these forums - a few pictures of the moon and we must have bases up there. Talk of a research facility designed to research radio-wave interactions with the ionosphere leads to discussions of how it's "likely" used to cause earthquakes.

People are no less awed by medicine and believe it holds the solutions to all of their problems. Patients -pay- to go see the doctor to have their problems fixed (as though he/she is a mechanic) - not to be told they are making poor lifestyle decisions. Sure - doctors can treat symptoms and some causes, just like a mechanic can work on a car. If you don't change the oil, keep the fluids up, change the filters, etc - then your vehicle is going to be in the shop time and time again - and the mechanic will probably try to tell you that you need to take better care of your vehicle.

Similarly with a doctor. But people don't want to be told how to live (or feel like that is what they are being told). They want the equivalent of a tow service and overnight repair so they can hit the road the next day.

In that respect - people go to the doctor asking for a pill to solve their problems or to fix their kids. Kids with -real- ADHD may need a minor dose of something to help them focus long enough to be worked with - but the vast majority of it is just people needing to take time to give things the proper care they need. But - zombified children -do- cause much fewer problems than the unzombified variety.

And in the end - no medication is a replacement for lifestyle changes. Antidepressants aren't intended to make life not suck. They are intended to help you break a cycle of depression and make changes in your life that reinforce a sense of hope and progress. Medications are a tool to be used to help people. Society has, in a large way, forgotten this and adopted a "healthiness comes from a prescription" philosophy. Or entertainment - or whatever it is people are looking to accomplish with their consumption of any given drug or substance.