(to reel you in) Nibiru confirmed by scientists and other smart people!!!!!!!...(kinda)

Originally posted by DJW001
You were the one who brought the subject up. I have sent an e-mail to Jaqui Lecki at the University to confirm your story, Buh-bye.

Hello.

Excellent, thank you. I'm glad someone has followed up with Otago.

I want all three of you people to understand something important to me.

Roma is my dearest friend of the past 20 years and I fought to not see her belittled here for what she keeps herself busy with in her retirement years.

This person worked in many disciplines in her varied career spanning 50+ years or so. She has worked as an Archeologist and other allied disciplines, as well as Geologist and others. I would hate to see her belittled fiercely for something so insignificant compared to her work.

The hints I gave were not to play mind games, nor for this same Google search information to be used against her, but in the hope that whoever was really interested might actually dig deeper for themselves.

I am at a loss to understand who appointed the Judge, Jury and Executioner, but I do hope you three can be gentlemanly.

At no time have any of you offered your own credentials while forcing your will upon me so that you may try to see what her credentials are.

So please go easy on my old friend.

reply to post by Tayesin

Not refuse, unable to. I do not have the work in my hands to provide details.

Why make this up? What do I have to gain from making this up? Do I have a book out about it, or selling something? What possible reason could there be to make this up?

None of this is germaine to the discussion. You simply have made made up a hoax and now you want to back peddle by tossing out subterfuge in the form of riddles, and questions about motive.

You claim it is some sort of ethical violation to give details, but you provide hints about the situation and somehow pretend that is not the same ethical violation.

I said other people who are acting just like you have been the past two days crucified the women for one of her retirement hobbies of UFO Research.. and that makes her a "crackpot" to you?

I am definitely the one that used the term crack pot. Am I wrong in saying that this imaginary person you are referencing was tarnished as a crackpot?

No amount of harrasment and railroading by you or any cronies will speed the process up.

I know that you have been using this hoax of yours for a while. You admit that as well.
I am simply challenging you to move to the ethical position by not discussing this person should they exist, or providing the evidence you claim exists.

how about backing the hell off and waiting till the old girl dies, leaves me her work and then you can go hard to your heart's content.

No. This is all baloney that you have been using for a while. The story is nonsense. It's an obvious hoax. I don't have to wait because this reeks of being a hoax.

I do not Lie.

I simply don't believe you. You've crossed the line with ethics here by even mentioning this person and also by pretending to give details allowing someone to locate this person. Your are unethical and more than likely not telling the truth.

For you the only logical path is ensure these concepts don't remain in the public arena. And sure I can understand where you are coming from.

You should take a basic course in logic and realize how many different ways this is a logical failure.

I cannot show you to specific tablets in any museum, nor their e-versions in universities if they exist. All I can do is share information from someone else's work in General Conversation.

So far the claim is that an unknown person has done unknown work which you feel free to share.

This is a "friend of a friend" commentary of no actual value. It is unsubstantiated. You say it is real. I say it is not real.

reply to post by Tayesin


No one is circumventing your efforts. In fact, you have acted in a rather unethical manner by bringing this issue up. You are not a protector. You have not acted properly. Had you actually intended to protect your old mentor's identity then you should have had the mettle to be quiet.

Perhaps now your friend Stereologist will harass her via email or telephone.

Another fallacy since you do not know who I am or who Revenant2 is.

reply to post by Tayesin

This person worked in many disciplines in her varied career spanning 50+ years or so. She has worked as an Archeologist and other allied disciplines, as well as Geologist and others. I would hate to see her belittled fiercely for something so insignificant compared to her work.

The issue is to get past the obstinance and to look at the evidence. I really don't give a plugged nickel about someone who says aliens wanted to clone the dog. This is a thread about Nibiru.

The lady is a scholar, with from what I remember 20 something letters after her name.

This is from another thread where you have been over the same issues. You posted that statement. Right now I am in the process of looking up Ravn's research. Where did she publish anything. I am coming up blank.

I did check out Australian Archaeology. No publications by Ravn. I'll get back to you as I check out Blackwell publishing Elsevier and other publishers of scientific materials.

I just did a search of the Wiley Online Library and no luck with anything by a Roma Ravn. Lots of Ravn's there, but no Roma Ravn or R Ravn.

Onto the next resource.

I checked all Elsevier scientific publications and no Ravn was found.

Onto another publisher.

The following do not show any publications for Ravn in Oxford University press. I checked the open access journals and HighWire. Then I struck out at Google Scholar.

Any idea where Roma Ravn published her scientific work?

You got what you wanted.

And now as you search to find her credentials I can then demand to see your credentials ? Which have not been offered to support your position as someone worth listening to in this field.

So.. what are your credentials in ancient Sumerian History then Stereologist?

All I see so far is the employment of "superior intellect and logic" to force a "win" at any cost. From my perspective it is being hit over the head with a hammer until you give up and die. I've seen the same process in Family Law Courts where the educated bash the hell out of the dumb.. just as you have here Stereologist. Hope you feel good about yourself.

Do your own dirty work.

reply to post by Tayesin

And now as you search to find her credentials I can then demand to see your credentials ? Which have not been offered to support your position as someone worth listening to in this field.

I am not searching for credentials. Why would I? A degree or a letter here or there is meaningless. It is odd to hear about someone claiming that they met aliens that wanted to clone their dog, but that is not what describes the person as much as the papers they have authored.

So.. what are your credentials in ancient Sumerian History then Stereologist?

That's completely irrelevant isn't it? The question is what sorts of papers have been authored by your mentor. So far I can't find a single paper. I suppose it means that the work that was done was niche material that requires finding the small niche where these papers are relevant.

All I see so far is the employment of "superior intellect and logic" to force a "win" at any cost. From my perspective it is being hit over the head with a hammer until you give up and die. I've seen the same process in Family Law Courts where the educated bash the hell out of the dumb.. just as you have here Stereologist. Hope you feel good about yourself.

Do your own dirty work.

Are you trying to tell me that you are not proud or interested in the material your mentor published. Dear me. I am surprised at that. Usually I meet students and they can rattle off a long litany of articles their mentors have published.

You think it is dirty work to read what others have written? Odd indeed. This is becoming reminiscent of a Lewis Carroll story.

reply to post by stereologist

I don't know if she authored any papers. You will have to ask her yourself. Which I am sure you have no qualms doing while she is severely ill with cancer.

You are the one pushing hard for answers about my old friend and yet not once have you so much as offered anything to show you are a qualified researcher.. so again.. what are your qualifications that make your learned opinion the "right" one?

I could safely bet you have never once translated a Sumerian Tablet from the British Museum.. would that be a fair thing to say?

And we could then presume that your understanding of ancient Sumerian 'history' is garnered from the standard, accepted, university-held material.. would this be correct also?

I'm trying to tell you that I am not proud of your behaviour here.. I did not say anything about not being proud of the old girl or her work over such a long time. The opposite is true so I am at a loss to understand why you think as you do.

I am not Roma's Student. As I have said many times I am not a scholar. She is my 2nd spiritual mentor in life and one who allowed me to read her work from translating Sumerian Tablets for the British Museum in the 1970's.. exactly as I have said all the time.

It is dirty work to intend and attempt to discredit anyone for your own kudos, agenda or advancement in a community such as this.. as you have been doing in this thread. What seems obvious is that this is a concerted effort to try to stamp out any opposing viewpoints to the traditionally accepted history. And it also appears those working this agenda will go to any lengths to insure they succeed.

The activity here reminds me of a pack of rabid dogs hoping for the kill.

I've met people who act like scum, who brow-beat everyone who's perceptions are different to their own. I've met people who seriously believe they are better than everyone else. I've met those with superiority complexes. Most of those where well educated people with exceedingly high levels of self importance because of their positions in life.. you and your cronies have behaved exactly in this way.

What are your Qualifications as a Sumerian history Researcher then?

reply to post by Tayesin

I don't know if she authored any papers. You will have to ask her yourself. Which I am sure you have no qualms doing while she is severely ill with cancer.

Surely someone with 20 letters behind their name has authored papers. It's fairly standard to write about what you've done or learned.

You are the one pushing hard for answers about my old friend and yet not once have you so much as offered anything to show you are a qualified researcher.. so again.. what are your qualifications that make your learned opinion the "right" one?

You're missing the point. We are not looking for information about you or me. The quest is for information about the claims you have stated that are said to originate from your mentor.

You violated the ethical issue of revealing information leading to someone who did not want the information released and now you are possibly upset about having done that, You seem to think that tough questions about the veracity of the claims is a bad thing. Well in science tough questions get asked. That's the nature of the beast. You look to this mentor for spiritual reasons, but do not see into the issue of the scientific merits of the issue.

It is dirty work to intend and attempt to discredit anyone for your own kudos, agenda or advancement in a community such as this.

Asking tough questions is how science works. You made a claim and stated that the evidence relied on a person with a terminal disease. Asking tough questions is the essence of good work. If the claims stand to tough questions, I don't feel I've asked the tough questions yet, then the claims are reinforced. Should the claims fall to the simple issues I am asking then there was nothing there to begin with.

What seems obvious is that this is a concerted effort to try to stamp out any opposing viewpoints to the traditionally accepted history.

That's not true at all is it? I haven't been shown anything at all but a claim with no supporting evidence. There has been more effort at avoiding providing anything even vaguely supporting this claim of yours. No. The issue still is about your contrary attitude.

Having learned that this person was your "religious" mentor makes all of this more understandable. You are protecting your "religious" point of view. Everything makes more sense to me as I see that this is a defense of "religion" rather than a defense of the facts.

I've met people who act like scum, who brow-beat everyone who's perceptions are different to their own. I've met people who seriously believe they are better than everyone else. I've met those with superiority complexes. Most of those where well educated people with exceedingly high levels of self importance because of their positions in life.. you and your cronies have behaved exactly in this way.

In light of your statements that this is about you and your "2nd spiritual mentor in life" I can see that you are lashing out at people who are treading on your spiritual beliefs.

This is not about religion or spiritual beliefs. This is about the Sumerians and what they wrote. They left us little in the way of astronomical information. The Sumerians probably did have an interest in astronomy. The Babylonians used Sumerian names in some of their work suggesting that the work had started in Sumer. What is stunning is that the Sumerians did not mention all of the planets visible to the unaided eye. Why is that? It probably is due to us having a limited knowledge of this ancient and intelligent peoples.

Edit..

What's the point?

You are adding things that I never said. Your perception on "Religious" is so far from the reality that you easily illustrate your own limitations to any greater understanding beyond what was learned by rote. You have displayed an incredible degree of arrogance in your forcefulness and see nothing wrong with your approach to what was only a general discussion in the first place.

I may have lashed out a little, and so I should for the way my dearest friend has been belittled in public by those who perceive themselves as being the only one who know the truth.. or have a right to say what is what. I forewarned that I did not want that to happen again, but you got your cronie to go ahead and do it anyway.

Shows how little respect you have for other human beings.

You appointed yourself Judge, Jury and Executioner and made demands with threats.. not once backing up your demands with anything to show you are woth even listening to.

And now you finish with wanting conversation...

Whipping boy out

reply to post by Tayesin


What cronie are you talking about?

You are treating this like a religious issue even if you are unaware of that. You are defensive and also lash out. Had you done the ethical thing and not mentioned something about this and waited then this would never have happened. yet, you have made a claim and then backed off to the stance that there is a person with an amazing background and 20 letters behind their name that has the information.

Well so far this person seems to never have written anything at all in scientific journals although you claim they have been involved in all sorts of top notch work including archaeology and geology. That is very odd. That is very odd indeed.

Do you have any idea where your mentor might have published?

When we get past all of the baloney you've attempt to place in the way of research we are now down to the simple issue of seeing what your mentor has done and now I am stymied by being unable to locate anything at all.

Can you provide some incite into which journals or societies your mentor was connected to.

Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by Tayesin

 

I have sent an e-mail to Jaqui Lecki at the University to confirm your story, Buh-bye.

Hi DJ,

You got a reply yet mate?

reply to post by Tayesin

Hi DJ,

You got a reply yet mate?

Nope. I'm assuming that means they've never heard of her. Sorry, you've been had.

Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by Tayesin

 

Hi DJ,

You got a reply yet mate?

Nope. I'm assuming that means they've never heard of her. Sorry, you've been had.

No. I know it was sent there because I posted it. They had it for more most part of a year before it was returned to Roma.

Let's hope you get a reply soon.

I ran into a dead end looking for any papers that your mentor authored. Do you have any suggestions as to journals? I've tried quite a few Australian journals and groups within Australia to no avail. I'm sure I can come up with something, but it appears to be in more specific, smaller distribution journals than the ones I've been checking. Thanks for any help.

reply to post by stereologist


When people treat me and those I care most about as if we have no value, when they trample all over what is important to me, when they consistently fail to look at their own actions to see the offences they have committed.. then Stereologist I wipe them like dirt from my shoe.

You have been wiped. I will no longer respond to you.