The Bible Is A Forgery

Originally posted by chooselove
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

www.youtube.com...

These people actually have a clue you should watch the whole thing and then come back and make your apologies

I've already heard much from and about Ehrman and as much as his stances back my own, I don't need him to make a critical judgement for me. I also think that both Ehrman and Evans make a tidy sum debating and writing on this topic. Not only do they have their beliefs at stake but their livelihoods and reputations. Neither can admit defeat without losing their jobs.

I will say this, Ehrman poses a particular problem for "Bible scholars" in that he is currently the James A. Gray Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. He's a freakin' "Bible scholar" and that screws with the rest of them. Most people arguing his side of this debate were never on the other side and have the Master of Divinity distinction to prove it. This man was has a well developed and researched problem with the reliability of the Gospels.

That said, I do fine on my own.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by xuenchen

 

Who should I believe ?

I'd believe the book that displays a heptadic structure that would be a challenge even for a super computer to replicate in millions of years of trial and error.

Heptadic Structure Pt. 1

Heptadic Structure - Pt 2

Divine design in Scripture

This guy Charles "Chuck" Missler is clearly another Harold Camping. Building a ministry around a secret code that only he's figured out.

From Wiki:

Chuck has had numerous programs aire on the Christian television station GOD TV, namely the DVD versions of his biblical studies "Learn the Bible in 24 Hours", "The Book of Revelation", "The Book of Genesis", and "The Book of Daniel".

And so the old "Learn the Bible in 24 Hours" deal. The first 500 to order the DVD get a complimentary "Slap Chop" and..... for just paying the cost of shipping and handling a "Sham-Wow". His deal is a "Sham-Wow" for certain.

From Wiki:

In 1999, Missler received a Ph.D. in biblical studies from the unaccredited Louisiana Baptist University in Shreveport, an institution founded by the late minister Jimmy G. Tharpe.

The accredited Bible Colleges were plum filled up and who listens to a Community College televangelist? This is nearly the last guy you want to pull out of your hat as backing in a Biblical debate. I say nearly in that we just experienced that Harold Camping fiasco. Oh wait, Missler has YouTube videos. That trumps actual accreditation. I almost forgot that. In truth, all these "Biblical scholars" have doctorates in fairy tales whether they went to Bible college or Oxford. In our next video, Robert H. Schuller and Edward Cardinal Egan debate the number of angels over the creche. Here's Reverend Jimmy Swaggart your moderator for the event......

From Wiki:

A Los Angeles Times article reported that Missler and co-author Hal Lindsey had plagiarized a portion of Miami University Professor Edwin Yamauchi's 1982 book Foes From the Northern Frontier in their own 1992 book The Magog Factor.

Ouchie!

reply to post by Hemisphere


Nothing but poisoning the well and Ad Hominem?

That's tell-tale for sure.

reply to post by Hemisphere

And so these commentaries were written long after 'Yeshu the Nazarene' is reported to have lived.

And again, tell me why this should matter if it is true? Do you have any issues doubting the reality of a man named "Alexander the Great".

Apparently you would considering the first written account of him and his exploits wasn't until some 400 years after his death in Babylon. What about Alexander? Do you highly doubt his existence?

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by Hemisphere

 

And so these commentaries were written long after 'Yeshu the Nazarene' is reported to have lived.

And again, tell me why this should matter if it is true? Do you have any issues doubting the reality of a man named "Alexander the Great".

Apparently you would considering the first written account of him and his exploits wasn't until some 400 years after his death in Babylon. What about Alexander? Do you highly doubt his existence?

Sorry, haven't looked into him, not a historian as you know. But wasn't there an "Alexandria" or something to that effect?

From Wiki:

Alexandria was founded around a small pharaonic town c. 331 BCE by Alexander the Great.

And how is it you think it received that name? No doubt lots of history has been manufactured or distorted. Heck:

I never had sex with that woman - Bill Clinton

That was mere months after he "had sex with that woman". One can imagine how these things have a way of morphing when relayed from human to human and various agendas are inserted over centuries. I think Al existed, perhaps the "Great" thing was exaggerated. 'No historian like I said. I take it you're both a Christian and an "Alexandrian"?

reply to post by Hemisphere

The accredited Bible Colleges were plum filled up and who listens to a Community College televangelist? This is nearly the last guy you want to pull out of your hat as backing in a Biblical debate. I say nearly in that we just experienced that Harold Camping fiasco. Oh wait, Missler has YouTube videos. That trumps actual accreditation.

This is what happens folks when a person doesn't even review material presented then goes to Google to try and find any disparaging info on the person in question without hearing what that person has to say and relies upon a fallacy of logic (Poisoning the well) for their reasoning.

If you would have watched the videos you would have learned that Chuck Missler didn't do the research into the heptadic structure of the Bible. He just referred viewers to the work of someone else who discovered and documented the heptadic structures of scripture. That man is Dr. Ivan Panin. His doctorate is in mathematics from Harvard University.


Is Harvard University good enough "actual accreditation" for you?

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by Hemisphere

 

The accredited Bible Colleges were plum filled up and who listens to a Community College televangelist? This is nearly the last guy you want to pull out of your hat as backing in a Biblical debate. I say nearly in that we just experienced that Harold Camping fiasco. Oh wait, Missler has YouTube videos. That trumps actual accreditation.

This is what happens folks when a person doesn't even review material presented then goes to Google to try and find any disparaging info on the person in question without hearing what that person has to say and relies upon a fallacy of logic (Poisoning the well) for their reasoning.

If you would have watched the videos you would have learned that Chuck Missler didn't do the research into the heptadic structure of the Bible. He just referred viewers to the work of someone else who discovered and documented the heptadic structures of scripture. That man is Dr. Ivan Panin. His doctorate is in mathematics from Harvard University.


Is Harvard University good enough "actual accreditation" for you?

So scriptures written by men follow a logical mathematical progression and follow a mathematic schematica.

This is because the scriptures were written to include 'divine mathematics', the Gematria and symbology of Jewish and Christian mystics.

en.wikipedia.org...

God did not write the scriptures.

Men did.

Thats why mathematical structures are in the scriptures.

Therefore the scriptures were written as to be mystically symbolic.

That proves the ingenuity of man - not that the scriptures were written by god.

They werent - they were written by men.

reply to post by leejohnbarnes


Someone didn't watch the video!

Nor evaluate the ridiculous probability for ONE man to compile 12 verses by himself, let alone the entire Bible by 66 different authors.

Men did.

Originally posted by leejohnbarnes
Men did.

I wonder how they coordinated their efforts with each other, considering most never met one another and their literary works spanned thousands of years.

That's the greatest miracle in human history.

reply to post by Hemisphere


No, I just think it's quite hilarious people don't use the same standard for Alexander the Great as they demand for Jesus of Nazareth. People get pissy the first to write about Jesus and His exploits were a few decades after He died, yet have no problem accepting that Alexander lived and was a historical person but the first written accounts of him appeared 400 years after he died.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by Hemisphere

 

The accredited Bible Colleges were plum filled up and who listens to a Community College televangelist? This is nearly the last guy you want to pull out of your hat as backing in a Biblical debate. I say nearly in that we just experienced that Harold Camping fiasco. Oh wait, Missler has YouTube videos. That trumps actual accreditation.

This is what happens folks when a person doesn't even review material presented then goes to Google to try and find any disparaging info on the person in question without hearing what that person has to say and relies upon a fallacy of logic (Poisoning the well) for their reasoning.

If you would have watched the videos you would have learned that Chuck Missler didn't do the research into the heptadic structure of the Bible. He just referred viewers to the work of someone else who discovered and documented the heptadic structures of scripture. That man is Dr. Ivan Panin. His doctorate is in mathematics from Harvard University.


Is Harvard University good enough "actual accreditation" for you?

Harvard will do fine. Glad to see you in good spirits once again.

It's impressive to see you've questioned your faith to this extent. You've sought out mathematical proof. Child-like faith was not enough, you wanted scientific affirmation and as you've inferred, I didn't bother checking as you've noticed, God provided. That's laudable. You've set a fine example, perhaps I too will seek a relationship with Jesus based on the mathematical/scientific evidence contained within the Bible. Perhaps I too will become like Thomas the Apostle, demanding and seeking more proof. Faith be ...........!

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by Hemisphere

 

No, I just think it's quite hilarious people don't use the same standard for Alexander the Great as they demand for Jesus of Nazareth. People get pissy the first to write about Jesus and His exploits were a few decades after He died, yet have no problem accepting that Alexander lived and was a historical person but the first written accounts of him appeared 400 years after he died.

You're right, I should be more consistent. I'll take your word for it, both Jesus and Alexander the Great never existed.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by Hemisphere

 

This is what happens folks

"Folks"? Seriously, who are you preaching to?

There's nobody in the pews. No audience, they all left pages ago. We ground this thing to a pulp. It's just us. Isn't there someone more worthy of your heart-felt, well researched proselytizing?

I suppose you're right.

Things are a little awkward now.

reply to post by NOTurTypical


"Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus." - Thomas Jefferson

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
I suppose you're right.

Things are a little awkward now.

We just went a bit off track. I do that to people. You've obviously questioned your position, researched and come up with sufficient evidence to feel comfortable and confident. That's a great thing. I've enjoyed sparring with you. I am, as my wife sometimes characterizes me, a "ball buster". I think we all take advantage, at times, of the anonymity afforded by these forums. I know I'm much less abrasive in person. Thanks for putting up with that.

I bid you peace.

reply to post by leejohnbarnes


I find these excessive Quotes on the topic matter hard to follow .. man it takes a whole page of Quotes to answer a simple post having to do with man wrote the Bible ????? Which is very TRUE man did write the BIBLE and it was re written over and over all by hand now keep that in mind because they didn’t have printing press's to later on so now given that little piece of information .. you cant convince me that not one word fell out of place not to mention that these are all mans words not GODS or Jesus’ ok ..

To everyone dismissing this theory:

You don't think it's possible, that the Romans distorted historical fact to fit their needs?

We don't know exactly what happened then, we only have a second hand account of history written by ... ROME..

I don't know enough about religion or world history to join the argument, but as the saying goes, 'History is written by the winners'.

There are those who'd say that parts of the Christian Bible are a forgery. That is that parts have been excluded, included, distorted, misinterpreted, mistranslated, and some teachings were only for those times and places.