There is really only ONE religion on Earth ...

Originally posted by AprilSky
reply to post by Vicky32

 

Personally I think anyone who believes Jesus walked this Earth 2000 years ago is beyond stupid but there you go, not that I discredit everything that Jesus says in the bible because I believe he is a symbol.

However I am not much interested in having an argument with Christians, you believe whatever makes you happy.

This thread is about where religion came from ...

edit on 17-5-2011 by AprilSky because: spelling

Oh, you are a rude person!
No, the thread is not about where religion came from - it's about where you think it came from - there's a big difference!
Vicky

reply to post by Vicky32


It's wonderful how people give you a rude reply and then complain when you return the favour.

Obviously I am not into the christian view and hence I have no time for that type of reply.

Christians are the most painful of people, always wanting to ram their rubbish beliefs down everyone's throats, this thread is designed to relieve people of that nonsense!

reply to post by AprilSky


Okay.... well... how do i put this.

It doesn't help anyones position to call names, or insult peoples belief systems.

Your thread is very interesting, but your opinion is not infallible.

Suppose for a second that all your information is 100% accurate, people will still believe in Christ/Buddha/Allah/Oprah/Whatever.

And it is certainly okay to do so.

Originally posted by GringoViejo
reply to post by AprilSky

 

Okay.... well... how do i put this.

It doesn't help anyones position to call names, or insult peoples belief systems.

Your thread is very interesting, but your opinion is not infallible.

Suppose for a second that all your information is 100% accurate, people will still believe in Christ/Buddha/Allah/Oprah/Whatever.

And it is certainly okay to do so.

Yes sorry lost my cool there for a moment.

Christians have been a bug bear of mine ... all that beware of Satan and hell nonsense. Self righteous crap about how they will be saved and the rest of us are going to hell etc ..

anyway

Yes people will still believe in their own personal religion ... all of them are based on the same source, come from the same truth. ...all hold some truth ... just now the info has been divided up and diluted and buried in symbolism etc.

I will come back later and put up some more info from the Indian and Egyptian religious past.

reply to post by AprilSky


Awesome

Looking forward to it.

Although I think you are making some huge "leaps" here and there I am impressed with the obvious research you have done on this. I also share your "bugbear" about Christians. Well done.

As i agree that ancient Sumeria, with it's mythology, has influenced the world, but i take my council with the people who lived before man placed crops in the soil and came to the arrogant conclusion that he is above the natural world.

I like your thread, what would it matter if all the religions were the same. It wouldn't. Maybe we could all get along then.

You also know that by stating what you are stating and saying you believe it, you are actually saying that you believe in religion and that this is religion.

You have done nothing to stop christianity or ones belief in it. You have no evidence, just things you claim to be real. All these are assumptions of your own.

By stating that all religions stem from Sumeria or places before, does not prove that religion does not exist, it actually backs it up.

You are showing us how there is a God, he has been around forever, just uses a different story when we change or for different people.

Some of your arguement is funny to. You say it's all made up but you use texts from that made up version to prove your point. Wouldn't that make your evidence made up as well?

reply to post by AprilSky


Great thread! S & F for your work. I love everything except this part:

Jesus is a repeat of the Mithra story which was worshiped six hundred years before his supposed birth.

and even after his birth.

Now we have Jesus and Mary … all that has changed however is the names, the religion or core belief is still basically the same.

This is a myth that has been spread abroad for centuries and has gained widespread acceptance without the claims actually being examined.

The only similarities between Jesus and Mithra is that both are males, that's pretty much it other than a reference to "sheppards" being present at Mithra's birth. But in contrast to Jesus's birth, the sheppards at Mithra's birth helped pull him from the rock he was being "born" from. Other than the word "sheppard" there are nothing similar about the stories.

Jesus was born as an infant, Mithra as a full grown man. Anywho, great thread, good job! *applause*

"Uninformed skeptics often suggest that Jesus never actually existed, but is rather a mythical figure evolved from the earlier story of Mithra. Most of the claims are simply factually inaccurate. In reality, Jesus and Mithra have almost nothing in common."

Debunking the Jesus-Mithra Myth

Originally posted by Slipdoggety

By stating that all religions stem from Sumeria or places before, does not prove that religion does not exist, it actually backs it up.

You are showing us how there is a God, he has been around forever, just uses a different story when we change or for different people.

Some of your argument is funny to. You say it's all made up but you use texts from that made up version to prove your point. Wouldn't that make your evidence made up as well?

No, you misunderstand I am not trying to prove that religion is false.

I absolutely believe in God and I'm not trying to disprove God at all.

In fact by the time I finish this thread, I hope I will have shown you who he really is.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by AprilSky

 

Great thread! S & F for your work. I love everything except this part:

Jesus is a repeat of the Mithra story which was worshiped six hundred years before his supposed birth.

and even after his birth.

Now we have Jesus and Mary … all that has changed however is the names, the religion or core belief is still basically the same.

Thank you for your reply I got my info from here

Mithra

Jesus is a Reincarnation of Mithra

The Vatican was built upon the grounds previously devoted to the worship of Mithra (600 B.C.). The Orthodox Christian hierarchy is nearly identical to the Mithraic version. Virtually all of the elements of Orthodox Christian rituals, from miter, wafer, water baptism, alter, and doxology, were adopted from the Mithra and earlier pagan mystery religions. The religion of Mithra preceded Christianity by roughly six hundred years. Mithraic worship at one time covered a large portion of the ancient world. It flourished as late as the second century. The Messianic idea originated in ancient Persia and this is where the Jewish and Christian concepts of a Savior came from.

(Read all the similarities on this site including ...)

"I am a star which goes with thee and shines out of the depths." - Mithraic saying

"I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright morning star." - Jesus, (Rev. 22:16)

www.near-death.com...

Originally posted by AprilSky
reply to post by Vicky32

 

This thread is about where religion came from ...

Religion came from primitive shamanism which is of course tens of thousands of years old. The shamanic initiation crisis is the root of mystical traditions and mystical experiences (and therefore religion) and, whats more, it is the key to awakening our psychic ability.

The Gods and Goddesses of world myth and religion are 'symbolic forms'. But that doesn't mean they are unreal. Underneath the forms are formless archetypes of the collective unconscious. Ignore them, downplay them, mock them at your own risk.

reply to post by AprilSky


Those are not religions they are all cults and those that believe in them are cult followers .

The only true religion is Buddhism.

It is the only religion that has spread around the world peacefully.

All the others, their believers are murdering hordes doing what their leaders tell them to, in the name of their God.

Islam and Christianity has killed hundreds of million of people because they did not want to convert.

reply to post by AprilSky


I appreciate your response. However, when one examines Mithra the only thing he has in common with Jesus of Nazareth is both were males. That's it. The only other thing slightly similar is there were sheppards at the "birth" of Mithra, but they supposedly pulled Mithra from the rock he came from. And everyone remembers the sheppards in the Jesus story, except they didn't witness the birth of Jesus, they were in the fields tending the flocks and were told of the birth by angels.

Nothing else about Mithra and Jesus is in common.

reply to post by AprilSky


I don't need you to prove to me who you think God is, I have my own personal beliefs and they are far from your wild concept! please stop trying to push your views on others by ridiculing them.

I always thought the stories in the bible were allegorical stories representing the one self and his struggle with ego.

reply to post by AprilSky


Possible choices:-

-There is 1 correct religion
-There are no correct religions.

The likelihood that some celestial being takes an interest in what primates on Earth do with their time is quite small so i'd go with the latter, until proved otherwise.

Originally posted by awake_and_aware
reply to post by AprilSky

 

Possible choices:-

-There is 1 correct religion
-There are no correct religions.

The likelihood that some celestial being takes an interest in what primates on Earth do with their time is quite small so i'd go with the latter, until proved otherwise.

I'll go with option 2.

There are zero correct religions.

Originally posted by Vicky32



I suppose you're not interested in knowing how comprehensively wrong you are?

Jesus bears no resemblance to Mithras, and anyone who's not a devotee of Acharya S knows that..
You're completely wrong about what Catholics think about Mary. Immaculate conception does not mean what you think it does.
Vicky

Goes to prove we've made revisions to this very day. I guess the name Vicky makes you more of an authority though. I propose Vicky stands for Vicious, and if I can get enough people to believe it... Watch out Satan!

news.ca.msn.com...

Most controversial is its revision of Isaiah 7:14 to predict that the messiah will be born to a "young woman," not to a "virgin," a characterization that some critics say casts doubt on the miraculous nature of Jesus' birth.

Bible edits: Mary a 'virgin' or a 'young woman'?

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by AprilSky

 

I appreciate your response. However, when one examines Mithra the only thing he has in common with Jesus of Nazareth is both were males. That's it. The only other thing slightly similar is there were sheppards at the "birth" of Mithra, but they supposedly pulled Mithra from the rock he came from. And everyone remembers the sheppards in the Jesus story, except they didn't witness the birth of Jesus, they were in the fields tending the flocks and were told of the birth by angels.

Nothing else about Mithra and Jesus is in common.

Take your pick: Mithra, Apollonius, Jesus...

What you find are colorful stories of fiction, double talk, and/ or symbolism. (i.e. 12 tables, 12 brothers, 12 disciples, 12 zodiac signs, 12 hours, etc., etc.)

Contrary to the opinion you're leaning towards:

Mithraism and Christianity

The Christian apologist Justin Martyr wrote:

Wherefore also the evil demons in mimicry have handed down that the same thing should be done in the Mysteries of Mithras. For that bread and a cup of water are in these mysteries set before the initiate with certain speeches you either know or can learn.

The Christian apologist Tertullian wrote that as a prelude to the Mithraic initiation ceremony, the initiate was given a ritual bath and at the end of the ceremony, received a mark on the forehead. Tertullian described these rites as a diabolical counterfeit of the baptism and chrismation of Christians. Marvin Meyer argues that "early Christianity ... in general, resembles Mithraism in a number of respects—enough to make Christian apologists scramble to invent creative theological explanations to account for the similarities." Hopfe holds that the Christian sources for this rival religion are extremely negative because they regarded it as a diabolical imitation of their own religion.

en.wikipedia.org...

en.wikipedia.org...


These guys were a dime a dozen back in the day. Keep in mind you didn't have any Grey's Anatomy on.