The Difference Between Communism and the Abundance Paradigm

For the last two years I have been here trying to spread the abundance paradigm. Often I receive comments saying that what I am promoting is communism. I have been explaining that communism is a scarcity paradigm - one pie equally divided, whereas the abundance paradigm is more many pies from which one may have as much or as little as one wants.

In trying to explain this, the "many pies" concept to someone, they commented on the order of, "You just want to take stuff from the rich and give it to the poor." I realized where the issue came from.

The abundance paradigm is NOT taking ANYTHING from anyone. The addition of plenum ("dark"/Zero Point/Radiant/Orgone/...) energy will begin to raise standards of living - and will result, with the addition of robots as "slaves" and "servants," in all of Us having the option to have as much as the present power elite - with the power elite losing nothing - except the power over others.

If You, dear reader, are unfamiliar with the abundance paradigm and how We might achieve it as a goal, please read these two threads:

The End of Entropy - the foundation - read first

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The Ethical Planetarian Party Platform - the structure

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Please offer Your comments and thoughts. And if You want to contribute to the success of the abundance paradigm, pass the Ideas along as best as You might.

reply to post by Amaterasu


Hello my friend.

Thank you for this thread.
I had wondered about the difference in the abundance paradigm and communism.

I already had felt for many years that true communism was a good plan except that all the communist governments I have known about were not purely for the good of all.

It's a peculiar situation as the boncho best demonstrates, the masses have been more or less trained to believe that everything should be performance based, and reward based, even though the truth is that those who do the best in the present system, do little, but simply use the leverage of what they have aquired, horded or gained exclusive control of in a performance based system.

Most people fall for this because the illusion is that you are performing for your self because of the rewards based on the performance, how ever like any trained seal you are actually performing for the trainer that holds the fish.

People have a genuine fear that others might come by something enjoyable in life they didn't perform for first.

If you didn't jump through a hoop you don't deserve a fish.

So it's a peculiar mindset.

Most people likewise are dismally educated as to what the words socialism, fascism, communism, democracy and capitilism mean.

However there has never been anything close to the utopian society Marx envisioned in performance based Soviet and Chinese style stystems, where unlike our much more complex one, you are awarded by class, your performance early on in life placing you in a class, where all are rewarded similiarly.

So what people think of communism is not communism, just as what people imagine is democracy is not democracy.

For instance here in the United States we have a representative republic, the only choice you get to make is who will represent you and hundreds of thousands of other people.

Democracy as invented and practiced by the ancient greeks was every person having a vote on every issue.

Capitalism like wise is using capital, often borrowed capital or paper capital created out of thin air as leverage.

Leverage is another word for extrortion or confidence game, so the only performance based thing there is how good are you at extorting or convincing people to labor for you or surrender something based on running frauds and confidence games on them.

At the end of the day most people don't understand that they are actually presently living in a free range slave statist system, based on taxation and performance, performing for a very small few at the top, at the labors and enterprises they control at the top, for a fish when you jump through those hoops.

Amazingly it is jealousy and envy that props up this system and the scarcity paradigm where we either resent, or envy or admire those that have more than us.

Yet the Leighs, Madoffs, and Escobars of the world who typically do acquire the most do so by anything but honest or admirable means.

Presently people believe up is down, left is right, black and white, and so on and so on in our crazy world, based on scarcity, jealousy, fear, under education and mass manipulation.

As boncho so aptly displays, they would prefer to cut off their nose to spite themselves, run down and denigrate others rather than think outside of the box, and aspire to the lowest possible common denominator while making fools of themselves.

That unfortunately is really our system and how people have been trained and bred to behave.

reply to post by boncho


Was it necesssary to attack the OP?

Civil discussion is most appreciated.

I am not a moderator but I am a member who enjoys a lively conversation without being distasteful to another member.
With this in mind I ask that you play nice.

Thanks in advance.

Originally posted by boncho
Can you explain why a another poster that claims to be the antichrist was posting under your account in another thread?

Sure. Kalki11 is My husband. He is the coauthor of Our book, linked in My sig. He is quite brilliant - an understatement, I think. I am agnostic about Him, or more ambivalent. Our goals and strengths compliment One another's. We love each Other dearly through a mildly tempestuous relationship, as many couples.

In His genius, He has His quirks as most very bright Individuals do. He believes in Himself enough to make the claim and if He's wrong, so what? He is working on the plenum energy extraction. When that comes to fruition - all he needs now is a Van de Graaff generator to charge the electret - I expect He will have served that purpose in some sense.

And if He's right... Awesome that. Either way, I love Him dearly.

And as far as your 'abundance paradigm', will you mention how you haven't worked in 5 years so people realize it your idea is just a grasp at never having to do anything for the rest of your life....?

I don't have to. You did. Except you're wrong. I would do many things. Travel, is one thing. See if I can find a mentor to learn more about particle physics. Oh, the list is too long and no doubt boring.

And You only told part of the story, didn't You? You didn't mention the efforts I have made to secure a job, did You? Or the fact that I'm old. And competing with an overflowing supply of young college kids. tsk tsk.

EDIT to add: Oh... The reason I am doing this is for my daughter. I don't want Her growing up a slave.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Thank you, Proto, for a very astute analysis. You are right on every score, showing the issues and the absurdity.

As for boncho, I probably should not have even acknowledged Him. His petty questions and pseudo-points are irrelevant to this thread and are really beneath me.

Originally posted by dizziedame
reply to post by Amaterasu

 

Hello my friend.

Thank you for this thread.
I had wondered about the difference in the abundance paradigm and communism.

I already had felt for many years that true communism was a good plan except that all the communist governments I have known about were not purely for the good of all.

Most welcome. The problem with communism is it would never arise. The Ones at the top would "skim." And then there goes the whole affair. Abundance, on the other hand is very simple to achieve - add plenum energy.

Thanks for your response.

Originally posted by dizziedame
reply to post by boncho

 

Was it necesssary to attack the OP?

Civil discussion is most appreciated.

I am not a moderator but I am a member who enjoys a lively conversation without being distasteful to another member.
With this in mind I ask that you play nice.

Thanks in advance.

How was I not being civil? I was asking questions... If David Icke came on this forum I would call him on his proclamation that he is the reincarnation of Jesus. Since when do we lash out at people questioning other people's stories?

See where someone who claims to be the antichrist posts under the OP's account.


See where she has "connections" to Stephen Colbert but they laughed her off his forum.

So here is my lively discussion. I think the OP is doing more marketing for her book that she promotes all over this site. And whether she is delusional or she has stake in some "free energy" scam online, she is constantly promoting these things. There is an agenda there.

Lively discussion: This thread is more BS to rope new people into her delusion. It reminds me of cult recruiting. And I am saying that as an observation. After looking at it the whole situation. This isn't a "flame" or a "troll."


reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Proto: I have read some of your threads, very well written and very well researched. And I am surprised that you make a judgement on myself so quick.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
As boncho so aptly displays, they would prefer to cut off their nose to spite themselves, run down and denigrate others rather than think outside of the box, and aspire to the lowest possible common denominator while making fools of themselves.

As you so aptly demonstrate, people are easily manipulated when others speak thoughts that reflect on their own. Without making a critical judgement for themselves, they choose to take something that fits in with their ideals at face value.

They do not look at the source of the material, or wonder what the purpose of it is. In other words, you could equate these people to simple minded automatons.

Maybe you missed where the OP was advertising more of her own ideas to people in the thread, and linking her other threads...

This whole thread ties into the OP's "ethical planetary platform": A vision she has of the world if given all the things that she believes exist in her mind. She treats this delusions as facts. Also has claimed to do 50 yrs of research. And when asked to back this claim replied:

I didn't keep a record of all my source material. I am bad with retaining names (something I must live with) but I do remember that Entropy is one of them. A great deal of research has been web-based - and no, I did not keep a list of those either. But, y'know what? You're right.

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And the original comment: Here

post by Amaterasu
I guess 50 years of study and research is way too little. Ok. Whatever, boncho. You're right.

reply to post by Amaterasu

Sure. Kalki11 is My husband. He is the coauthor of Our book, linked in My sig. He is quite brilliant - an understatement, I think. I am agnostic about Him, or more ambivalent. Our goals and strengths compliment One another's. We love each Other dearly through a mildly tempestuous relationship, as many couples.

So he claims to be the antichrist, and also claims that one day he will create "free energy" devices...

You claim that there are "free energy" devices, and when they are available your "ethical planetary platform" will become a reality.

But if we are to believe what you say... What your husband says has equal value (because both are based off delusion), meaning that both should have equal credit.

So either, both of you are telling the truth or one of you is lying, or both of you are lying.

Which means: That even if you are telling the truth, according to you husband, supporting you is supporting the antichrist. Or did I misinterpret the whole mess??

It is hard for only one of you to be delusional, if what either of you say is the truth, than both of your stories would be plausible. This probably has to do with the fact that you two are "co-authors". Because you are both writing the same story but from different perspectives... Mind you, you both claim this story is a reality....

reply to post by Amaterasu

As for boncho, I probably should not have even acknowledged Him. His petty questions and pseudo-points are irrelevant to this thread and are really beneath me.

You are or are not a charlatan?

A charlatan (also called swindler or mountebank) is a person practicing quackery or some similar confidence trick in order to obtain money, fame or other advantages via some form of pretense or deception.

What your purpose is, I don't know.


As for me being beneath you....

If you have something to back up what you say you don't even need to acknowledge me.

Originally posted by boncho
See where someone who claims to be the antichrist posts under the OP's account.

bonch, dear, this is something best asked via U2U, really. It has nothing to do with this thread. I humored you, nonetheless.

See where she has "connections" to Stephen Colbert but they laughed her off his forum.

As I pointed out, the TENTATIVE connection was NOT through the forums. Again, this is not something to bring up here. VERY off topic.

So here is my lively discussion. I think the OP is doing more marketing for her book that she promotes all over this site. And whether she is delusional or she has stake in some "free energy" scam online, she is constantly promoting these things. There is an agenda there.

I offer my book (and the uncut, better edited version at that!) FOR FREE here on ATS, and though I do hope people buy the book, virtually all of my posts link to THREADS HERE ON ATS. It is the IDEAS I promote. Our last quarterly royalty check was $13 (first royalty check in a year...), and I am still using the same toothbrush I had a year and a half ago because things like TP, shampoo, dish soap, laundry detergent, and so forth have taken precedence.

I have no stake in ANYTHING but a better future for My daughter. My husband is building a device which already shows activity in the form of temperature drop in its vicinity. But this merely supports the Ideas. His work is technically unnecessary. (And if I had some stake in some online thing...You'd think I would post a link SOMEWHERE. Heh. Go find that link.)

Lively discussion: This thread is more BS to rope new people into her delusion. It reminds me of cult recruiting. And I am saying that as an observation. After looking at it the whole situation. This isn't a "flame" or a "troll."

Call it "delusion" all You wish, boncho. What would be my profit (other than spreading Ideas) to bother with this? Why would I want to "rope" anyone? And "cult recruiting" always requires someone believes in some leader. If You look at My work, NOWHERE do I point to anyOne to follow. In fact, the Ideas promote complete freedom to believe as One wishes as long as One chooses behavior that does not break the three Laws.

Cult, my ass.

Maybe you missed where the OP was advertising more of her own ideas to people in the thread, and linking her other threads...

I doubt Proto missed that. Gee. I am spreading Ideas I think will save the world from the tanking of the dollar. Horrors!

This whole thread ties into the OP's "ethical planetary platform": A vision she has of the world if given all the things that she believes exist in her mind. She treats this delusions as facts. Also has claimed to do 50 yrs of research. And when asked to back this claim replied:

A vision of the world given THINGS WE HAVE! Things I learned about from my father who was an aerospace engineer who worked on electrogravitics. Check out Secrets of Antigravity Propulsion for information on the existence of electrogravitics, pulled into black ops in 1959 or early 1960.

Since You worry about information.... Check out these books. (Sorry if I was rushed on my last post.)

Chaos: Making a New Science by James Gleick

Free: The Future of a Radical Price by Chris Anderson

Complexity: Life at the Edge of Chaos by Roger Lewin

Outliers, Blink, and The Tipping Point by Malcolm Gladwell

The Physics Of Consciousness: The Quantum Mind And The Meaning Of Life by Evan Walker Harris

Gravitobiology by Tom Bearden

Complexity: The Emerging Science at the Edge of Order and Chaos by M. Mitchell Waldrop

The Hunt for Zero Point by Nick Cook

The SS Brotherhood of the Bell by Joseph P. Farrell

This is all fairly recent reading I have done - and it does not include a huge amount of reading on the web. It does not include My experience - in banking, in being taught (as best my father could teach a toddler) about electrogravitics, in social function and in observation.

reply to post by Amaterasu

 

Sure. Kalki11 is My husband. He is the coauthor of Our book, linked in My sig. He is quite brilliant - an understatement, I think. I am agnostic about Him, or more ambivalent. Our goals and strengths compliment One another's. We love each Other dearly through a mildly tempestuous relationship, as many couples.

So he claims to be the antichrist, and also claims that one day he will create "free energy" devices...

Yes - but it is unclear whether this is an attention-getting device or whether He believes it. It does not matter. And no. He is building it and is only held back now by the need for a Van de Graaff generator. When the electret is built, as the wax cools, a flow of energy needs to be applied to structure (polarize) the silica particles.

Here's a simple schematic of how to draw on the plenum energy (coincidentally, brought to You by My husband, graphically created by Me):

www.abovetopsecret.com...

You claim that there are "free energy" devices, and when they are available your "ethical planetary platform" will become a reality.

Oh, so wrong You are. I offer - offer being very much the operative word here - a solution. IF We, as Humans on this planet, took these Ideas to Heart, We could solve the anguish that We have from poverty, eliminate the need for money and lo, all the love of it, and bring forth Our collective best.

As for the plenum energy extraction devices... Eh... See above.

But if we are to believe what you say... What your husband says has equal value (because both are based off delusion), meaning that both should have equal credit.

At this point, boncho dear, I am scratching My head. What My husband says has equal value because both are based off delusion? Huh? What My husband say is His own. I don't take "equal credit" except where He and I have collaborated.

So either, both of you are telling the truth or one of you is lying, or both of you are lying.

Which means: That even if you are telling the truth, according to you husband, supporting you is supporting the antichrist. Or did I misinterpret the whole mess??

I think You missed something. If You studied Him as much as You have studied me, You would see that it is NOT the "Antichrist" but the "Anti/Christ" that He claims to be. That the biblical references were of one and the same Being. I hope this helps.

It is hard for only one of you to be delusional, if what either of you say is the truth, than both of your stories would be plausible. This probably has to do with the fact that you two are "co-authors". Because you are both writing the same story but from different perspectives... Mind you, you both claim this story is a reality....

Of course We do. Though I do not go down religious paths, the end result - freedom, energy, and abundance for All - is the same. Roll Your eyes all You wish, My boncho friend. I think you have your eyes wide shut.

Originally posted by boncho
reply to post by Amaterasu

 

As for boncho, I probably should not have even acknowledged Him. His petty questions and pseudo-points are irrelevant to this thread and are really beneath me.

You are or are not a charlatan?

A charlatan (also called swindler or mountebank) is a person practicing quackery or some similar confidence trick in order to obtain money, fame or other advantages via some form of pretense or deception.

I am not. I have asked no One for money. I offer a book FREE here and suggest the option of buying it in one thread only. So I am not putting these Ideas out for money. If someOne else wants to take my Ideas and promote them as Their own - as long as the ideas spread, I don't care. So fame is out too. The only advantage I will have is every Being on this planet with plenty of organic healthy food to eat, freedom to travel, an abode that suits Them, the opportunity to become what each One wishes to be - and that includes My daughter.

Charlatan? I think not.

What your purpose is, I don't know.

For every Being on this planet to have plenty of organic healthy food to eat, freedom to travel, an abode that suits Them, the opportunity to become what each One wishes to be - and that includes My daughter.

As for me being beneath you....

If You look more closely to what I said, boncho, darling, I did NOT say YOU were beneath Me. I said Your "petty questions and pseudo-points are ... really beneath me."

If you have something to back up what you say you don't even need to acknowledge me.

I think I have provided plenty. [smile] Have a nice life.

reply to post by Amaterasu

I am not. I have asked no One for money. I offer a book FREE here and suggest the option of buying it in one thread only. So I am not putting these Ideas out for money. If someOne else wants to take my Ideas and promote them as Their own - as long as the ideas spread, I don't care.

"to obtain money, fame or other advantages via some form of pretense or deception."

Not sure what your goal is, but money isn't always the main reason for people to concoct stories. Sometimes it's nice just getting some kind of recognition. (I know, I've written many things that people have discarded)

and that includes My daughter.

Do you have custody of your daughter? I can't remember if it is you or maybe I am mixing someone else up with you...? Charity starts at home....if you have custody of your child then I apologize for asking this question.

If You look more closely to what I said, boncho, darling, I did NOT say YOU were beneath Me. I said Your "petty questions and pseudo-points are ... really beneath me."

The points that I make are realistic. If you have something to back things you say then you can join me in being realistic.

So far you have quoted crakpots and cracks as your source for information. My impression is that you believe everything you read without making any sort of critical judgement on the information.

That's fine, but you should have a disclaimer before people read anything you write.

Excellent thread, and its very important now for us to start to dream our dreams and even write them up and pin them on our walls with our names, and ask for the true Benevolents, not the wolves in sheeps clothing, but the ones that follow the Highest Love and Goodness in Existence according the intent of your heart, to come and assist us now. Because they respect our free will even to be led off the cliffs by the minority controllers, and to stay sheep if we insist. But they're watching over.

The World I want to See
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I have this pinned on my wall and wish to make a vision board as well, and would welcome you to add a post listing your dreams of a perfect world. I know you could just pin your pdf up on your wall, its wonderful.

Originally posted by boncho
reply to post by Amaterasu

 

I am not. I have asked no One for money. I offer a book FREE here and suggest the option of buying it in one thread only. So I am not putting these Ideas out for money. If someOne else wants to take my Ideas and promote them as Their own - as long as the ideas spread, I don't care.

"to obtain money, fame or other advantages via some form of pretense or deception."

Not sure what your goal is, but money isn't always the main reason for people to concoct stories. Sometimes it's nice just getting some kind of recognition. (I know, I've written many things that people have discarded)

As I said... The only advantage I will get is everyone on the planet getting plenty of healthy food to eat, freedom, opportunity, comfort. And since there IS NO PRETENSE OR DECEPTION, all of that is moot anyway.

and that includes My daughter.

Do you have custody of your daughter? I can't remember if it is you or maybe I am mixing someone else up with you...? Charity starts at home....if you have custody of your child then I apologize for asking this question.

Is this relevant? What do you mean "charity starts at home?" Like I can promote a world that is better than NWO slavery better if my daughter lives with me than if not? I don't get this at all.

If You look more closely to what I said, boncho, darling, I did NOT say YOU were beneath Me. I said Your "petty questions and pseudo-points are ... really beneath me."

The points that I make are realistic. If you have something to back things you say then you can join me in being realistic.

What points? That electrogravitics doesn't exist? That robots can't be built? That the Interweb can't be used? That plenum energy doesn't exist? None of these would make your case, since EG DOES exist, robots CAN be built, the Interweb CAN be used, and the plenum energy DOES exist.

Or were you speaking of asking me about a colleague - which is irrelevant (petty question) - and making a point about my employment status - which is irrelevant (pseudo-point)? In which case "realistic" doesn't seem at all the appropriate term. More like character assassination.

So far you have quoted crakpots and cracks as your source for information. My impression is that you believe everything you read without making any sort of critical judgement on the information.

Oh. Which ones are crackpots? My father? Malcolm Gladwell? Jeremy Rifkin? Rather than making blanket statements, love, would you please offer detail? Otherwise your comments are meaningless. As for your impression of my critical thinking skills... Meh. Believe as you wish. (And I'll believe You are mulishly unwilling to think outside any box. Heh.)

That's fine, but you should have a disclaimer before people read anything you write.

What "disclaimer?" "I have worked on this problem all my life, drawing from experience of 50+ years and deep study, and have come up with a solution. Will you please take a look? Maybe We can do something about the tanking currency... And I am full of it and have no clue?" Is THAT what you think I should say?

Sorry, bonch. Not going to go there. Because it's not true.

reply to post by Amaterasu


Good thread.

The problem with many of us is the fact that the concept of scarcity itself seems to be hardwired within us. So when we look at the world, we are blinded by a false sense of there not being enough resources to create abundance.

Our entire system is built on the principles of scarcity. The simple gesture of ownership is a testament to the fact that we are afraid of losing what little we perceive of being there.

And that goes for both public and private ownership. Whether property is invested in the individual or State is irrelevant...the motivation to do so comes from the same place.

Then you add the fact that being fearful of loss due to scarcity opens us up for manipulation.

The rarer the item, the more money can be made off of it. Like oil. Companies can keep us in fear that we are running out of oil, so jacking up the price of gas is justified.

Excellent point though, whether you are for private ownership, or ownership invested in the State is irrelevant when the motivation for both stems from the same fear of scarcity.

Ama, good thread, like you I too understand that many people do not understand the true concepts behind any type of political ism that has ever existed. Americans have been spoon fed the concepts that both socialism and communism are evil, the greatest evil the country has ever faced...

True socialism is about caring for the needy, providing something which they cannot provide for themselves. In essence, I ask, where is the true evil in that? Communism is a whole new level of thinking and in its pure marxist state is far from evil. It could be argued guns are not evil, they are tools, those who wield them for power grabbing use them for evil means. The same can be true of political standings.

Is China a true communist country? Far from it in my opinion, if anything, they are some weird mix of state owned capitalism. The workers in that country are not directly benefiting from the boom, and if anything are more likely suffering as slaves to serve the collective financial race china is intent on winning. It is hard to say whether this is evil, as in time, poverty will be lifted, millions will have a better life in terms of economy, but at what price?

In China's race to be the financial powerhouse of the world, how many lives have been lost, to either:
1. Government Oppression
2. Poor standards of living
3. Suicides as a result of point 2.

Does communism translate into any of those points? Of course not, does socialism, completely not - does capitalism, possibly on point 2, which might lead to point 3.

A solution for me, has to be a middle ground of sorts. A society that looks after its most needy, is overall stronger. A society that invests in good education, creates highly educated workforces who contribute more to the overall economy - which big business and government directly benefits from, more so than the individual does. A society which takes care of its sick and elderly, whilst also promoting a healthy lifestyle creates a harmonious state. And in promoting healthy lifestyle through diet and exercise can actually reduce the cost of health care in the long run. A society whose focus is on life, rather than work, could actually enjoy the fruits of their labour.

The concept that people are only motivated by greed is a plain non-sense. Ask any volunteer how they feel about their work - and I would even argue that most wouldn't even consider it work. You see work is enslavement of a different kind. You have to work if you want, food, clothes, water and shelter. How really has that changed from enslavement on some level?

I am personally enslaved to the system, having been stuck with a high mortgage due to marriage breakdowns. I survive ok, I don't thrive and I have not a lot left over each week. I work in a job which is ok, but I hate the industry I am in, yet I earn good money, enough to keep my head above water, whilst paying big interest on massive debt due to my mortgage. I wish I could walk away from the debt and the industry I work in and do something more worthwhile. Something for humanity, making the world a better place would give me so much satisfaction than a pay check ever could!

Collectively we can do wonderful things, but the system western countries use, has to leverage something, normally other people. Its a messed up pyramid system that benefits those who put in the least amount of energy - or through money already accumulated gives them power over the system. Therefore the true work/ingenuity does not benefit proportionally to the owner of the business.

On a larger scale, this leverage is either resources, or groups or people. For example, importing goods from china leverages cheap labour. The whole global system is all about buying stuff for cheap and increasing the prices to make profit, with no consideration to all side effects as a result.

I am probably randomly going all over the place now, so apologies - its how my brain works hehe!

The point is, we think within the confines of borders, yet we live in a global community and we are impacted by events which take place outside of our borders. No political system has come up with a solution to global problems, and the richer countries have either plundered poorer countries over centuries past, or been lucky to be sat on top of a wealth of resources. We live in a class system dominated by money. The rich get the best of everything, education, health, homes, cars, shares etc - the rest of us make up the numbers. Of course there are different financial class structures within other class structures - but the point is those with the most have access to the most/best of everything. Money is their leverage.

Somewhere between socialism/capitalism/communism/greenism is the right system which is fair, rewards hard work and endeavour, whilst also providing opportunity for those whose families do not have the means to provide the right education.

Ok, gonna end it here for now, but in departing, let me ask you all a question. When you were a child what did you want to be?

When we looked through the eyes of a child, whatever it was we wanted to be was because it was something we felt connected too, or were in love with the concept of. People wanted to be doctors to help people, or vets to help animals. People wanted to be policemen to protect and serve the public, or firemen to rescue people from fires.

What kid says, I want to be a banker, I want to work on the NYSE? Kids care not for money, kids care for what they like. Perhaps the answer lies in the innocence of children, before they are corrupted by the slave system of money which has been forced upon the world in which we live!

Cheers guys

Moley

Originally posted by dalan.
reply to post by Amaterasu

 

Good thread.

The problem with many of us is the fact that the concept of scarcity itself seems to be hardwired within us. So when we look at the world, we are blinded by a false sense of there not being enough resources to create abundance.

I think We typed about this before... It is not that the concept of scarcity is "hard-wired..." It's that We have known nothing else. We have lived in a scarcity paradigm for as long as Our present history has been. It is not a hard-wire. It is simply a paradigm. And shifting paradigms is often difficult.

Our entire system is built on the principles of scarcity. The simple gesture of ownership is a testament to the fact that we are afraid of losing what little we perceive of being there.

Very true. Although, One still may have ownership in abundance. Just that the standard of living will improve such that Others may have as much.

And that goes for both public and private ownership. Whether property is invested in the individual or State is irrelevant...the motivation to do so comes from the same place.

Then you add the fact that being fearful of loss due to scarcity opens us up for manipulation.

The rarer the item, the more money can be made off of it. Like oil. Companies can keep us in fear that we are running out of oil, so jacking up the price of gas is justified.

Excellent point though, whether you are for private ownership, or ownership invested in the State is irrelevant when the motivation for both stems from the same fear of scarcity.

Actually, in the abundance paradigm, there is no "State." The Interweb is used to communicate and coordinate problem solving. Leaders of the moment emerge as problems arise and people with the expertise and the caring and the drive step forth to solve the problems. What Each has now Each may continue to own - and more will come.

Thank you for your reply. [smile]

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Thank You for Your post, mole. [smile]

In abundance, there is ownership, but it is less important than it is now. As plenum energy strips away the costs of energy all the way down the line, eventually, one gets to a point where the "ingredients" for everything are free. And so money as a mode of exchange will fall into disuse. A lot more gifts will be given, as artists create things and, needing nothing in the way of food, clothing, shelter, seek to bring happiness with Their work. Their "payment" might be the happy squeal and glowing smile of the recipient.

Communism: Take Your share.

Abundance: Take what You want.