California political madness

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More proof that we need to get rid of our politicians!!! They do not know what they are doing..

that shocking,i wonder how and why you put up with it

During one recent 23 year period, the state of California built 23 prisons but just one university.

reply to post by ElectricWizard


I just read the article you've referenced (It would help, if in the future you'd include at least a snippet of the text in your post).

And, with the exception of one or two of the "bullet points" raised, none of those issues have anything to do with "politicians" not doing their jobs.


On the contrary, I'd argue that it is the public that elects the politicians that is at fault for the economic mess California (and by extension the rest of the country) now faces.


You would do well to research the impact California's Initiative laws have had on the State's financial burden.

And while you do so, bear in mind that the laws which brought the State's initiative system to fruition were designed so as to facilitate the public's pricipation in the legislative (ie.: law-making) process.


A number of experts and analysts agree that much of California's current financial debacle can be traced directly back to the unreasonable number of vastly expensive (yet generally unfunded, save by tax revenues) initiatives the voting public of California have foolishly foisted upon themselves.


But I guess it just isn't fashionable to blame the truly guilty while there is a perfectly good scapegoat to be had.

reply to post by ElectricWizard


Why anyone voted for brown again is amazing lol. I'm thinking of moving away from California and its backwards thinking. This state used to be nice when i was a kid its turned into a breeding ground for illegal aliens of all ethic backgrounds, crime is amazing all i hear at night is cops running up and down my street, The cops are to scared to pull over anybody by them self's they need a back up of 2 other cop cars to pull other one dude unarmed in daylight so they are scamming the system as well. the price of living here is really bad takes almost 2 jobs to pay both bills and rent. My apartment is 1,200 a month not including ,water,heat,electricity ect. The cost of gas is amazing when you add in all the traffic jams, you pretty much need to make at lest 4 grand a month to not be on welfare and have any life at all. 70% of the jobs out here are 8 dollars a hour and trying to get classes at a community college is a joke 5 min's after the class is posted open the classes are filled leaving anyone else screwed.

reply to post by ElectricWizard


yeah? well what really sucks is that i just moved from washingon state to san diego because i had nowhere else to go,i had to leave my son behind with my mom,my girl friend recently cut me off,and i thought it was tough up there to find a job,down here im competing with nothing but illegals, the article is right,its very nightmarish,this whole country is for that matter i dont even recognize it anymore and i dont see any hope,the politicians seem to do everything opposite of common sense and best interest of the people, we need a bloody revolution and we need it fast,otherwise were gonna be so screwed that theres no turning back,but i dont see it happening i think its all gonna finally collapse,and the rest of the world is gonna turn their backs and laugh while we savage each other for what little resources are left to be had

all i can say is thank god i dont live in california.

the peoples democratic socialist state of stupidity.

Originally posted by Bhadhidar
reply to post by ElectricWizard

 

I just read the article you've referenced (It would help, if in the future you'd include at least a snippet of the text in your post).

And, with the exception of one or two of the "bullet points" raised, none of those issues have anything to do with "politicians" not doing their jobs.


On the contrary, I'd argue that it is the public that elects the politicians that is at fault for the economic mess California (and by extension the rest of the country) now faces.


You would do well to research the impact California's Initiative laws have had on the State's financial burden.

And while you do so, bear in mind that the laws which brought the State's initiative system to fruition were designed so as to facilitate the public's pricipation in the legislative (ie.: law-making) process.


A number of experts and analysts agree that much of California's current financial debacle can be traced directly back to the unreasonable number of vastly expensive (yet generally unfunded, save by tax revenues) initiatives the voting public of California have foolishly foisted upon themselves.


But I guess it just isn't fashionable to blame the truly guilty while there is a perfectly good scapegoat to be had.

edit on 1-5-2011 by Bhadhidar because: grammar

That is what happens when illegals are allowed to vote. Of course the politicians that give the most freebies get elected... ANYTHING in this country is better than what they had in the country they came from.

Originally posted by pcrobotwolf
reply to post by ElectricWizard

 

Why anyone voted for brown again is amazing lol. I'm thinking of moving away from California and its backwards thinking. This state used to be nice when i was a kid its turned into a breeding ground for illegal aliens of all ethic backgrounds, crime is amazing all i hear at night is cops running up and down my street, The cops are to scared to pull over anybody by them self's they need a back up of 2 other cop cars to pull other one dude unarmed in daylight so they are scamming the system as well. the price of living here is really bad takes almost 2 jobs to pay both bills and rent. My apartment is 1,200 a month not including ,water,heat,electricity ect. The cost of gas is amazing when you add in all the traffic jams, you pretty much need to make at lest 4 grand a month to not be on welfare and have any life at all. 70% of the jobs out here are 8 dollars a hour and trying to get classes at a community college is a joke 5 min's after the class is posted open the classes are filled leaving anyone else screwed.

I feel ya.. I live in Cali as well. I'm not sure where to move...!?

Originally posted by CUJOCREEP
reply to post by ElectricWizard

 

yeah? well what really sucks is that i just moved from washingon state to san diego because i had nowhere else to go,i had to leave my son behind with my mom,my girl friend recently cut me off,and i thought it was tough up there to find a job,down here im competing with nothing but illegals, the article is right,its very nightmarish,this whole country is for that matter i dont even recognize it anymore and i dont see any hope,the politicians seem to do everything opposite of common sense and best interest of the people, we need a bloody revolution and we need it fast,otherwise were gonna be so screwed that theres no turning back,but i dont see it happening i think its all gonna finally collapse,and the rest of the world is gonna turn their backs and laugh while we savage each other for what little resources are left to be had

I hope things get better man :

Originally posted by neo96
all i can say is thank god i dont live in california.

the peoples democratic socialist state of stupidity.

lol.. yup

Originally posted by Bhadhidar
reply to post by ElectricWizard

 

I just read the article you've referenced (It would help, if in the future you'd include at least a snippet of the text in your post).

And, with the exception of one or two of the "bullet points" raised, none of those issues have anything to do with "politicians" not doing their jobs.


On the contrary, I'd argue that it is the public that elects the politicians that is at fault for the economic mess California (and by extension the rest of the country) now faces.


You would do well to research the impact California's Initiative laws have had on the State's financial burden.

And while you do so, bear in mind that the laws which brought the State's initiative system to fruition were designed so as to facilitate the public's pricipation in the legislative (ie.: law-making) process.


A number of experts and analysts agree that much of California's current financial debacle can be traced directly back to the unreasonable number of vastly expensive (yet generally unfunded, save by tax revenues) initiatives the voting public of California have foolishly foisted upon themselves.


But I guess it just isn't fashionable to blame the truly guilty while there is a perfectly good scapegoat to be had.

edit on 1-5-2011 by Bhadhidar because: grammar

These are all good points. I've read many an article about the misuse and abuse of the "Initiative Process."

I want to point out, too, that it's not only misguided citizens; a lot of the problem is with corporations who are trying to pull a fast one on the public by using initiatives to make laws. Too often it works. We're stuck with a lot of expensive problems that are directly due to some slick maneuvering and scaremongering TV ads on the part of the corporations.

And a great part of the problem IS that we have so many prisons. The prison-guard unions are extremely powerful here, and more than once have affected elections. They also represent much of the reason that "California’s unfunded pension liability is estimated to be somewhere between $120 billion and $500 billion at this point."

Just one other thing. People who use statistics in this misleading manner really ought to have their hands slapped:

#10 The number of people unemployed in the state of California is approximately equal to the populations of Nevada, New Hampshire and Vermont combined.

Anyone who's ever taken a statistics class has learned that this is misleading and dishonest. True that anyone who's paying attention ought to know that these are not very populous states; but a lot of people (say citizens of a European country) are absolutely not going to know this. Broken down:

California Population (all figures 2010 census): 37,253,956

Nevada: 2,700,551
Vermont: 625,741
New Hampshire: 1,316,470
Total of those 3 states: 4,642,762 -- In other words 8.024%.

Compared to all the other states, 8.024% is pretty damn good.

Still: Don't get me wrong. It's all very bad news....

Originally posted by Ex_CT2

Originally posted by Bhadhidar
reply to post by ElectricWizard

 

I just read the article you've referenced (It would help, if in the future you'd include at least a snippet of the text in your post).

And, with the exception of one or two of the "bullet points" raised, none of those issues have anything to do with "politicians" not doing their jobs.


On the contrary, I'd argue that it is the public that elects the politicians that is at fault for the economic mess California (and by extension the rest of the country) now faces.


You would do well to research the impact California's Initiative laws have had on the State's financial burden.

And while you do so, bear in mind that the laws which brought the State's initiative system to fruition were designed so as to facilitate the public's pricipation in the legislative (ie.: law-making) process.


A number of experts and analysts agree that much of California's current financial debacle can be traced directly back to the unreasonable number of vastly expensive (yet generally unfunded, save by tax revenues) initiatives the voting public of California have foolishly foisted upon themselves.


But I guess it just isn't fashionable to blame the truly guilty while there is a perfectly good scapegoat to be had.

edit on 1-5-2011 by Bhadhidar because: grammar

These are all good points. I've read many an article about the misuse and abuse of the "Initiative Process."

I want to point out, too, that it's not only misguided citizens; a lot of the problem is with corporations who are trying to pull a fast one on the public by using initiatives to make laws. Too often it works. We're stuck with a lot of expensive problems that are directly due to some slick maneuvering and scaremongering TV ads on the part of the corporations.

And a great part of the problem IS that we have so many prisons. The prison-guard unions are extremely powerful here, and more than once have affected elections. They also represent much of the reason that "California’s unfunded pension liability is estimated to be somewhere between $120 billion and $500 billion at this point."

Just one other thing. People who use statistics in this misleading manner really ought to have their hands slapped:

#10 The number of people unemployed in the state of California is approximately equal to the populations of Nevada, New Hampshire and Vermont combined.

Anyone who's ever taken a statistics class has learned that this is misleading and dishonest. True that anyone who's paying attention ought to know that these are not very populous states; but a lot of people (say citizens of a European country) are absolutely not going to know this. Broken down:

California Population (all figures 2010 census): 37,253,956

Nevada: 2,700,551
Vermont: 625,741
New Hampshire: 1,316,470
Total of those 3 states: 4,642,762 -- In other words 8.024%.

Compared to all the other states, 8.024% is pretty damn good.

Still: Don't get me wrong. It's all very bad news....

edit on 1-5-2011 by Ex_CT2 because: Grammar check

edit on 1-5-2011 by Ex_CT2 because: Spelling

I'd have to agree, but our unemployment is actually worse than 8% (still makes the stats false).

Yep, as a nation we have to clean house within government and the companies.. they are all multi-nationalists that do not have your best interest in mind. Then of course you have the brainwashed people (and illegals) that keep voting the nimrods in..

I'd have to agree, but our unemployment is actually worse than 8% (still makes the stats false).

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True again. But consistent with the way the government itself calculates unemployment. We all know it's BS. California probably has an unofficial unemployment rate of 20%--maybe more, depending on who (other than gov) calculates it and the criteria they use. And yet, compared to other states, our unemployment rate is LOW....

#17 children forced to watch propaganda films of “alternative lifestyles”, a and parents told they have no choice.
"alternative lifestyles”... I wonder what that means?

Also, there's a reason why people in the Pacific NW dislike Californians* moving to their states, they bring the bad California stereotypes of crime, more laws(that are not needed), pre fab housing communities spring up everywhere that no one wants to move into, etc. Not all are just stereotypes but truth that reflect it of a failing economy. I think that is an example of what's going on in California.

* Not to say all are disliked, or bring the bad side of the state.

Originally posted by dreamingawake
#17 children forced to watch propaganda films of “alternative lifestyles”, a and parents told they have no choice.
"alternative lifestyles”... I wonder what that means?

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I can't tell if you're joking. It means "the love that dare not speak its name." Yeah, apparently they're showing kids videos/films (do they still show "films" in schools?) that encourage tolerance of gays. Shameful.

Now, I'm not gay--not that there's anything wrong with that. But upsetting and disappointing as it may be to many people in the rest of the country, gays have a lot of political power here. I've lived in California for many years, and personally I have no problem with them, nor with the fact that they have political power, nor that they've made it mandatory to show videos encouraging tolerance. But I respect that other people do....

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They really do this.. along with all that sex ed bs. What happened to math, reading, writing and science? We are losing mass brain power. Pretty sad.


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That is sad We need to manufacture products in the states again...