The JFK-UFO Connection: Bogus Documents or Unanswered Questions? (AOLNews)

I never thought I would link up something from AOL, but this was actually a very interesting read.

Was President Kennedy's interest in the facts about UFOs a major or even a contributing factor in his own murder? There are actual documents coming to light in the past week that say it's a possibility.

… While researching materials for his new book, “A Celebration of Freedom: JFK and the New Frontier” (Wasteland Press), Atlanta, Ga., history teacher William Lester used the Freedom of Information Act to get some previously classified documents.

Two of them were written by Kennedy on the same date, Nov. 12, 1963 — 10 days before his assassination. One was to the CIA director, asking for UFO files; the other was to the NASA administrator, with Kennedy expressing a desire for cooperation with the former Soviet Union on mutual outer space activities.”One of his concerns was that a lot of these UFOs were being seen over the Soviet Union and he was very concerned that the Soviets might misinterpret these UFOs as U.S. aggression, believing that it was some of our technology,” Lester told AOL News.

“I think this is one of the reasons why he wanted to get his hands on this information and get it away from the jurisdiction of NASA so he could say to the Soviets, ‘Look, that’s not us, we’re not doing it, we’re not being provocative. In fact, just to show you that it’s not us, what do you think about us working together on the exploration of space?’” Lester added.

"One of his concerns was that a lot of these UFOs were being seen over the Soviet Union and he was very concerned that the Soviets might misinterpret these UFOs as U.S. aggression, believing that it was some of our technology," Lester told AOL News

Also in his book, Lester reprints an intriguing letter written by Maxwell W. Hunter of the National Aeronautics and Space Council (from the executive office of the president) to Robert F. Packard of the Office of International Scientific Affairs. …

Read this GREAT article with good info in: AOLnews

I wonder if this is true --> Found on Rense:

“Citizens of this Earth, we are not alone.”

With those dramatic words, President John F. Kennedy intended to inform the American public and the world at large that the U.S. government had made contact with aliens from deep space.

But before he could deliver the speech on November 22, 1963, the beloved leader was cut down by an assassin’s bullets.

That is the astonishing claim of JFK researcher Professor Lawrence Merrick, author of an upcoming blockbuster book Killing the Messenger: The Death of JFK.

Not saying what He was going to reveal, or if it was the reason he was killed on November 22, 1963, or if his revealing something to Marilyn Monroe (who sang him happy birthday on May 19, 1962) got her killed on August 5, 1962, but...

Recently the FBI has released a lot of documents related to UFOs and Extraterrestrials not only visiting Earth but crashing to Earth and the Government covering it up. ( FBI Unveils "The Vault", Releases incredible new Roswell Documents!

Now this is either:
A) Disinformation
B) Incompetence of the Holder DOJ
C) A Whistle Blower

Either way these documents can be real or fake. I personally witnessed a UFO making maneuvers at incredible speeds that would rip apart any human pilot. So I do believe that UFOs are Alien Crafts. There is a lot of evidence that people want to ignore, but these documents ad kindle to the fire.

This was eye opener. The meat of subject matter isnt about UFOs, its about control.

Replace "UFO" with "Terrorism" or "Behavior modification" and you'll get what I mean.

Here you can read the documents:

JFK 1
JFK 2
JFK 3
JFK 4
JFK 5

And, for those that have time to spend, some key videos from the Dark Skies series that deal with the connection between JFK and UFOs:

The Cuban Missile Crisis Explained (JFK-UFO @ Dark Skies)


Meeting Bobby Kennedy (JFK-UFO @ Dark Skies)


Majestic-12 Boardroom w/ Art Bell (JFK-UFO @ Dark Skies)


The Warren Commission (JFK-UFO @ Dark Skies)


Emmy-Winning Main Titles (Dark Skies)


(This is an alien-related TV series from 1996. It was supposedly shut down because it got to close to the truth.)

You decide.

Cheers.

There is a thread surrounding the documents released by the FBI already up and whether or not there was or wasn't a connection between JFK's murder and his memo that requested an investigation. Some of your evidence is impressive and I will read it when I get the time. However, having read the memo that was released and taking into account all the other political and in-house issues the US government was going through at the time of JFK's murder the likelihood of him being killed because of his interest in UFO's is minimal. I would add that there is said to be people above The President that have some sort of higher security clearance who supposedly work alongside aliens. No-one really knows why he was murdered, this new evidence is just another piece of the jigsaw so-to-speak. Really interesting stuff in this thread, thanks for posting.

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You are welcome, JFK was a great man. Maybe because of this he was killed.

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To illustrate a bit more:

McDonnell Douglas studied UFOs in the 1960s :

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Did President John F. Kennedy Seek UFO Information from the CIA 10 Days Before His Death? -- Report

Great thread..

Personally though, I couldn't disagree more with the thory which states Kennedy died as a result of attempting to reveal any sort of Alien/UFO connected material. The more plausible theory is, and probably always will be, that this was a mafia/CIA hit. You see, It started with his own father's involvement with the mafia, alongside the failed Bay of pigs operation, tied in with the actions of the president and his brother against a certain group of individuals who weren't exactly used to being told what to do - and they decided they weren't going to be told what to do much longer... IMO of course.

Going back to the very beginning, we know that It's certainly no lie that Joseph Kennedy Sr., the father of JFK, was pretty much desperate to become president of the United States someday. And he was admittedly quite close making it there, eventually reaching the position of Ambassador to Britain, the first man of Irish descent to hold the position. But his dreams of presidency were to be dashed as he made his own public views on the delicate subject of the war, as he wanted to appease Hitler in his time in the government as well as wanting the United States to stay out of the war between Germany and Britain completely, public. Something which was not popular in the slightest and resulted in a ruined career in fact.

During this same war that he hated the idea of so desperately, both his sons attended, John F Kennedy & Joseph Kennedy Jr. JFK actually embarking on one of the most heroic acts to come out of the war (which made JFK a very well known figure before politics) and Joseph unfortunately dying after crashing his plane in a top secret mission over France I believe.

Due to his death, JFK was then prepped for the presidency by his father, as previously Joseph had been the primary candidate for such a thing. JFK, eventually rose through the ranks so to speak, with plenty of help from his father whom was very knowledgeable in the going-ons of politics as well as having a healthy bank balance. Something he seemingly wasn't afraid to use. Not that JFK wasn't a good politician or anything, It's just the money maybe helped him rise faster than he should've done - something a lot didn't seem to like for obvious reasons.

When JFK decided to run for president, Joseph Sr. seemed to throw himself into it, again, alongside his wallet. As the theory goes, he ended up attempting to and then being successful in bribing the mafia - particularly Sam Giancana, the mafia boss for Chicago at the time. After all, he knew them and dealt with them from his bootlegging days so It's not a great surprise really. Anyway, they were bribed to rig the very important Illinois vote (which is where It was won I believe), as well as other key areas and in turn JFK, as president, will leave the mafia alone and let them deal with whatever they wished to deal with - primarily making money in Cuba IMO.

In fact, in 1992, Sam Giancana's own Nephew of all people published 'Double Cross: The Story of the Man Who Controlled America', It was a book which had attempted to explain how the rigging of the elections was in fact achieved by Sam Giancana and co. It is also argued in the book, that after he did do so, Kennedy then reneged on the deal (which was bribed by his father remember) and therefore Giancana and the rest of the mafia, alongside the CIA, had him killed. Thus the motivation for the assassination of the president.

Anyway, once president, the complete opposite of the bribery deal, which I had just mentioned, occurred which some say JFK and RFK were possibly not even aware of. You see, they literally went after the mafia rather than leave them alone. Particularly RFK. I believe they desperately tried to jail some of them as well as have many deported (particularly Carlos Marcello whom then snuck back to America) and as you can imagine, this didn't go down well at all.

Here's an interview video btw of the secret confession of Marcello whom, alongside others like Giancana, allegedly had JFK Killed. In this video, It's explained how under a secret tape he confessed to ordering Kenendy's death:

Carlos Marcello - A Confession

Now, the Bay of pigs operation, let me state at this point the Mafia were secretly working with the CIA already and this was well known - particularly with Cuba affairs at this time. I believe Johnnie Roselli in particular was attempting, or making it seem as though, he was trying to get Castro assassinated. Anyway, the bay of pigs was a complete mess to sum it up in only a few words.

But the CIA seemingly went behind his back to make it happen - with the help of the mafia, something the Kennedy brothers were not happy about at all. Kennedy was subsequently blamed for what happened and not "aiding his dying men". Something that could have sealed his fate.

Btw, here's an interesting snippet from another thread of mine where I explained how one of the CIA men involved here grew to really hate the Kennedy's, particularly RFK:

William Harvey:

William Harvey - Was according to researchers such as Richard D. Mahoney, Larry Hancock, John Simkin, Gaeton Fonzi, James Richards and also Noel Twyman, quite possibly involved in the actual assassination of JFK. He is someone whom is heard to have said that he "hated Bobby Kennedy's guts with a purple passion" this allegedly according to a friend of his.

Reason being that During the Cuban Missile Crisis, Robert Kennedy had instructed the then CIA director, John McCone, to halt all covert operations specifically aimed at Cuba. A few days later he discovered that Harvey had ignored this order (Harvey being the head of Task Force at the CIA JM/WAVE station in Miami) and had dispatched three commando teams into Cuba to prepare for what he believed would be an inevitable invasion.

Kennedy was furious and as soon as the Cuban Missile Crisis was over, Harvey was removed as commander of ZR/RIFLE. On 30th October, 1962, RFK terminated "all sabotage operations" against Cuba. As a result of President Kennedy kept his promise to Nikita Khrushchev that he would not invade Cuba, Operation Mongoose was disbanded.

In '61 though, Harvey arranged for CIA operative, Jim O'Connell, to meet Sam Giancana, Santo Trafficante, Johnny Roselli and Robert Maheu at the Fontainebleau Hotel. During the meeting O'Connell gave poison pills and $10,000 to Rosselli to be used against Fidel Castro.

Harvey was demoted and sent to Italy to work and It was hear he developed such a hatred for the Kennedy's. And It was also at this time he kept continual contact with the mafia - specifically Roselli. In fact they even met in New York on the 8th of April. Then a week later in Miami. According to Richard D. Mahoney: "On April 21 he (Harvey) flew from Washington to deliver four poison pills directly to Rosselli, who got them to Tony Varona and hence to Havana. That same evening, Harvey and Ted Shackley, the chief of the CIA's south Florida base, drove a U-Haul truck filled with the requested arms through the rain to a deserted parking lot in Miami. They got out and handed the keys to Rosselli.""

William Harvey died in 1976 after allegedly suffering heart complications. Although It's heavily hinted at that he certainly did have a hand in the assassination of the president thus this potentially being the true cause on why he had to die.

And don't underestimate just how many there was whom just hated Bobby and John Kennedy because of this failed bay of pigs operation as well as what was happening with Cuba. I mean, people literally hated them with a passion for it. People in relatively high positions.

It was these 2 things which, IMO, caused the death of John F. Kennedy and later Bobby Kennedy also. It has nothing to do with Aliens or anything like that. I genuinely do think that people just hated the president and his brother and they desperately set out to kill them and to once and for all rid the world of them.

Anyway, that's my shortened theory on why JFK really did die. I could type all day but I tried to get the least amount of information I felt was necessary to understand the reasoning for why I subscribe to my theory as opposed to the one being presented here. I think the UFO connection was made simply because we just want to believe he died for something close to us in all honesty. Nothing more.

I don't think there is much more to it than that really. Don't get me wrong, I prefer the UFO connection more but I've just never seen enough reason to fully believe that was the reason why he had to die.

The Mafia/CIA theory seems to me, to be by far more plausible than aliens. Anyway, that's just my opinion..

(Btw, I previously posted a very similar post to this here in another thread. )

Originally posted by RUSSO
JFK was a great man. Maybe because of this he was killed.

I think JFK was assassinated because he attacked TPTB at every turn.

He wanted into on UFO's. He put the government back in the money-issuing business that would have destroyed the Federal Reserve. He wanted to pull us out of Vietnam while the military-industrial complex clearly wanted war. I'm sure there are more issues.

One thing that keeps nagging me is the Bush family.

There are docs that say Prescot Bush was involved in an failed Wall St coup against the government in 1933. We know that Prescot Bush was actively trading with the Nazis until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act.

We know that George H. W. Bush was CIA. Some say that he was photographed in Dallas when JFK was murdered. We also have video from Dallas that shows JFK's SS outrider escorts were pulled from their positions minutes before Kennedy was murdered. A deathbed confession from E. Howard Hunt said a US government/CIA team murdered JFK.

Then we come to Dubya. This spoiled-child-in-a-man's-body was ........ well ...... you fill in the blanks.

Point being -- if you want to make connections -- I think UFO's are a dead end. Examination of the Bush family however, might reveal connections to much of the humanities misery over the last century.

Originally posted by tyson

Originally posted by RUSSO
JFK was a great man. Maybe because of this he was killed.

I think JFK was assassinated because he attacked TPTB at every turn.

He wanted into on UFO's. He put the government back in the money-issuing business that would have destroyed the Federal Reserve. He wanted to pull us out of Vietnam while the military-industrial complex clearly wanted war. I'm sure there are more issues.

One thing that keeps nagging me is the Bush family.

There are docs that say Prescot Bush was involved in an failed Wall St coup against the government in 1933. We know that Prescot Bush was actively trading with the Nazis until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act.

We know that George H. W. Bush was CIA. Some say that he was photographed in Dallas when JFK was murdered. We also have video from Dallas that shows JFK's SS outrider escorts were pulled from their positions minutes before Kennedy was murdered. A deathbed confession from E. Howard Hunt said a US government/CIA team murdered JFK.

Then we come to Dubya. This spoiled-child-in-a-man's-body was ........ well ...... you fill in the blanks.

Point being -- if you want to make connections -- I think UFO's are a dead end. Examination of the Bush family however, might reveal connections to much of the humanities misery over the last century.

Dont get me wrong, what I tried to say was that he was killed because he was a great man. Not because the ufo thing.

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Thanks, a lot of good info. Sorry but I miss your threatsfy

Originally posted by RUSSO
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Thanks, a lot of good info. Sorry but I miss your threat

sfy

Thanks and don't get me wrong, I'd never fully rule out the UFO theory. And this is a really well presented thread still, but It just seems the 'Mafia/CIA hit' theory, to me anyway, is more plausible.

There's a lot of reasons to believe in it also It seems. More so than any other theory.

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Well, it seems JFK annoyed many "big guys" that time. I wonder what would be different in our society if he had survive.

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Yeah, a lot of people from both the CIA and the Mafia (particularly the mafia) hated The Kennedy's. They hated RFK by far more It seems but getting to JFK first stopped both of them.

And who knows for sure what the world would be like today if JFK had survived. I'd hazard a guess and say It wouldn't be too different though, and let's not forget that Kennedy really wasn't a popular president at all (It was only after the assassination that his approval ratings shot up). Who knows how long he would have lasted in office let alone what changes he would've been able to make.

Perhaps an interesting new take on the Kenedey/Mafia connection, did the president just get too close to the truth?
Its a well known fact that the American Space Programe and subesquent missions to the Moon were not a product of American devolopment but that of ex german scientists including Von Braun who were absorbed into american institutions at the end of WW11, people say that that level of a technological jump could not have occured without any assistance from external forces.

So while its almost certain that there has been a technological dialouge between beings from outside our realm of perception for sometime, i have yet to be convinced that any of them would either allow themselves to be captured, held prisoner or even involve themselves directly in situations here on our planet. Although reports of mystical lights and suspicious sightings litter that paticualar time in history i wonder if President Kennedy would have been interested in such things at all, he seemed a most serious man.