Brazilian president calls for new world order

reply to post by MIDNIGHTSUN


Well we all know there is a rush for NWO. What I did not know much about is BRICS. However I am recalling information regarding Brittian being against america. It was about 9 or so months back I read a prediction from hopi or chinese, maybe incan, I cant remember which one made the prediction. From what I remember china, russia help brittian defeat america, then russia and china turn on brittian, then russia and china turn on each other, with china being the final rulers....intersting this BRICS agenda of NWO, and americas agenda of NWO, I smell a major problem in our near future...

Originally posted by bruji76
It's time for all people to finally understand that capitalism is the thing generating the problem, no matter what part of the world you are. Proletarians of the world, join together!

Remind all the nice people reading this exactly how China is acquiring it's wealth?

On the one hand, We have people mindlessly screaming for a new BRICS NWO version. Yet what exactly are we talking about here? Another group of people coming out spouting [peace, love, and light] while spewing rhetoric about how the present world is full of [hate, greed, and evil]. So, they are going to decide which country is Evil and full of Hate?

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You are under the wrong impression I said China or Brazil were socialist/communists saviors?

Currently, they are capitalists too, so as always in capitalism, there will be lose-win relationships, and in the end, even if power may change hands, there will be always wealth accumulation of riches, by slaving more and more the poors.
So what we'll see it's a more and more homogeneous exploitation of workers through the world. For the ones in the first world it would mean you are going to be much worse than they were. For countries in the third world (who were stripped down of their wealth on a daily basis by first world nations before) this would mean some people could live a bit better, especially if they have a left wing government who attempts to listen to workers interests and not only corporations. But in the end, it is the capitalism which is not working, and its owns expansion is full of contradictions and causes its own collapse. Because capitalism could only survive when expanding itself, like a cancer, when all people in the world but a few elite gets slave labor condition, then it won't have new markets to sell their products, and will finally collapse for good. (Sadly it is likely capitalism will collapse our world environment before this point is reached).
But we don't need to wait for this to act. Timing and current collapse in first world countries like Europe and USA is a good start to do a REAL socialist revolution, actually following what Marx predicted, unlike failed revolutions in Russia and China, which became into state capitalism rather than communism, probably in part because those countries attempted to jump from feudal society towards socialism without the intermediate step of capitalism, contrary to what Marx says, where socialist revolutions are the next step after capitalism, not feudalism. You need to read Marx to understand what socialism is about. By listening anti-communist propaganda you won't ever have a real picture. You need to read on your own to get your own vision.

Also I have to laugh at Latin America "bitting the hand that fed them". USA never helped those nations at all but exploited them in an imperialist way. That was the real reason behind prosperity of first world, first world capitalism taking third world wealth, by slaving local people via puppet governments, like cruel dictatorships supported by USA under the "plan condor" in South America. So you shouldn't be surprised that most of Latin American people doesn't appreciate much USA old status quo.

Also when I am not a fan of China either, USA lacks moral fiber to be the first to throw the first stone regarding human rights in the world. Just think about the horrible mutilations of kids by USA soldiers in Afghanistan, the torture in Guantanamo jail, or even better, think how USA government poisons its own people by putting GMO corporations like Monsanto interests before the right of American people to get healthy food. And that's just to name a few examples, there are many more.

Originally posted by wisintel
Just a note of reason added to this discussion. No system of governance or economics lasts forever. At some point the "current world order" will change. The one thing that the Brazilian president had right, is that the current institutions that are in place are not relevant to the reality of the world today. They are broken and unable to address the problems in the world today. When the old world order goes away the only thing that can take its place is a "new word order". I don't think just because she used those worlds she was referring to a vast global conspiracy. I actually find it encouraging that there are some leaders in the world that acknowledge that the current system is broken and we need a new system. You won't here anyone in America saying that, because America is at the top of the current system and if the system changes there will be no way of guaranteeing continued dominance.

In closing I would just like to caution against screaming NWO whenever a world leader talks about institutional change. Considering the situation our world is currently in, staying in the current world order could be much more catastrophic than any "New World Order.

Spot on. I lol everytime I ready about the NWO paranoia in this site because the currently NWO is something, like or not, had give great power to current power blocks.... Of course if you live in these power blocks you DONT want a new world order because it mean... you will lose something and none want to lose anything

Originally posted by galactictuan
The BRIC countries favour Disclosure.

The BRIC countries are the ones we need to support.

It's disappointing to see the cynicism, but I guess it's what we're used to.

The Satanic Nazi child-raping pedos in the Pentagon/Federal Reserve are going down whether they like it or not.

I hope more people realize this.

People Power!

"People Power" in reference to Russia and China? You are seriously off your meds! If you think this is a positive development, I'll take the "old" NWO over these morons any day!

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Ridiculous, Britain will never attack America, thats sillier than saying Canada will attack America.

But supposing we did try it wouldn't matter who we asked to support us (China and Russia being at the bottom of a very long list lol) as the 120 military installations that America has within the UK would neutralise any attempt before it even got started.

You really shouldn't underestimate how much more technologilcally advanced Americas' armed forces are than ANY other country. In a conventional war they would sweep any army, airforce or navy from the board with chilling efficiency, this includes the so called 'stealth' rubbish that Russia and China are trying to develop.

Originally posted by boncho
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She recalled that at the BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa) summit held last week in China, the leaders of these major emerging economies called for a new world order adjusted to current realities.

Super nice human rights records these countries have....

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They who have been involved in the plan to corrupt and destroy each country call for a nwo.

when they finally put it in print there will be a world uproar, because we know what they are doing and we know they have destroyed oour countries on purpose to force us to accept it.
i dont want to be in a world where those that have deceived us are leading us. it is only for themselves.

we just need to see it in writing.

Originally posted by MIDNIGHTSUN


I guess the old NWO is over and mankind will finally be free. What has just happened in China is a new NWO being created.

Umm, the 'old New World Order' and the 'new' one?

Isn't that along the lines of saying "ATM Machine"?

I would take the Brazillians seriously, if it wasn`t for the widespread malnutrition of the population.
This in a country which is one of the worlds biggest food/crop exporters, while so many of its citizens go to bed hungry at night.
Charity begins at home.No seat on the UN security council for Brazil if it cant secure its people some food first.

Did you ever wonder what Obama was doing in Brazil as France started bombing Libya? He was there selling fighter jets. The French had the deal but handed it over to the US probly as a bribe for action in Libya.

todaysdefense.com...

I'm beginning to think WWIII is going to include the US and China fighting at this rate, with Brazil on their side.

Originally posted by bruji76
But we don't need to wait for this to act. Timing and current collapse in first world countries like Europe and USA is a good start to do a REAL socialist revolution, actually following what Marx predicted, unlike failed revolutions in Russia and China, which became into state capitalism rather than communism, probably in part because those countries attempted to jump from feudal society towards socialism without the intermediate step of capitalism, contrary to what Marx says, where socialist revolutions are the next step after capitalism, not feudalism. You need to read Marx to understand what socialism is about. By listening anti-communist propaganda you won't ever have a real picture. You need to read on your own to get your own vision.

I agree with a lot of what you say, however russia and china did NOT have failed revolutions. Perhaps *state capitalism* is not hippyesque enough for most hardcore communists, but tribal communism is bound to fail without solid/strong leadership at the national level.

I am not saying we need a brutal and schizophrenic person like stalin to lead us, but none-the-less he must command respect and admiration. Leaders are necessary in any system, regardless of capitalism/socialism/communism.

Personally I DO NOT LIKE communism because it creates national zombies out of the citizenry. Socialism with public central banking is much preferrable this way only major industry, banking, learning institutions, parks, prisons and everything important and necessary for the majority is public while everything else is private. The merchant class and small manufacturing should be 100% private as well as private property such as cars, homes and belongings.

State capitalism in the form of western european socialism is ideal in my opinion. Not the "socialism" of modern europe, but the socialism of the 50s through 80s. Today europe is becoming too capitalistic with the euro and EU. Only the welfare state remains strong, but with the ECB pressing for "financial reform"(elite slavery) and we will become another usa in 15 to 20 years.

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As much as it disturbs me to say it, the world is uniting under capitalism. China and russia are no longer communist so what will be the excuse for WW3? Who gets more oil and gas contracts? Seriously I think we need to look at the big picture of escaping this prison planet for greener pastures in the solar system and beyond.

If we keep nit-picking details here and there.......some one...sooner or later will get pissed and....push the nuke button. Lets not make carl sagans nightmares our pathetic reality. We are capable of more...are we not? Are aliens preventing us from reaching our full potential?

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new world order economy based on drugs...