Windows coders write buggy code - ON PURPOSE.

reply to post by LadySkadi


Good post LdySkadi - That seems to me to be a VERY intentional "bug". Seems all the big players are at it.

Originally posted by coder22

Originally posted by christof94
Just another reason to use Mac.

OP, are you an Apple employee?

Haha, nope! I use Linux. Apple is just as bad, closed source.

amen brother amen

Originally posted by coder22
This malicious code is ****written in a way to look like it could be passed off as an "accidental bug"**** for plausible deniability!!! He is going to be passing me the minutes of one of their meetings to upload so I can whistle-blow.
EDIT TO ADD: I don't think these bugs are written to spy on your average Joe, these are bugs written for global spying. Governmental stuff.
~SNIPPED TO SHORTEN~

Ok, I wouldn't actually call it "Malicious Code" but...
I got my MCSD in 99 and programmed until the dawn of Vista. Microsoft is more concerned with churning junk out and patching it later, this isn't a new practice. It's common to leave back/trap doors all over the system to slave in the event of a crime.

THIS IS NOTHING NEW, folks.. they've been at it for a while. And when a programmer DOES report bugs, they're told to leave them unless the system persistently crashes.

Windows is always using the internet reporting system to store your log files... unplug it for a couple days and you'll notice all the alerts because it can't go online.. don't you find it odd that an operating system should be 'updating' so much?

Do you have software installed that lets you know if you're uploading or downloading? Does your ISP offer this service? There is a number of reasons the rat-system is excused, the top of the list is for piracy.

Telepolis reports in an old article (1999) that

A CARELESS mistake by Microsoft programmers has revealed that special access codes prepared by the US National Security Agency have been secretly built into Windows. The NSA access system is built into every version of the Windows operating system now in use, except early releases of Windows 95 (and its predecessors).

Nothing has changed! It's even worse these days.

(Now, this link won't imbed but here's the URL: news.softpedia.com...)
Softpedia in 2007 also reported

Are you using Windows Vista? Then you might as well know that the licensed operating system installed on your machine is harvesting a healthy volume of information for Microsoft. In this context, a program such as the Windows Genuine Advantage is the last of your concerns. In fact, in excess of 20 Windows Vista features and services are hard at work collecting and transmitting your personal data to the Redmond company.

Nothing has changed!! In fact, your iPhone spies on you too!

Alternatively, check out Linux.. it's free and it's safe. May I suggest Ubuntu 10? As an ex MCSD, I do not use Microdaft trash, won't bother with the reasons lest I be accused of 'fear mongering' or some-such. But it's interesting to see proprietorship regarding that operating system and some popular anti-virus manufacturers for example.

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Guys - I have a friend on the "inside" - he's a microsoft employee that claims there is a team of programmers that purposefully write vulnerable code (at the request of the guys at the top).

This malicious code is ****written in a way to look like it could be passed off as an "accidental bug"**** for plausible deniability!!! He is going to be passing me the minutes of one of their meetings to upload so I can whistle-blow.

This is wholesale BS!

There is no need to write "buggy code". Any backdoors or other "vulnerable code". An "holes" used by those "guys at the top" have real world application within at least some computer installations. IF they are being used to spy on you, it because someone is exploiting either one of the legitimate "ports" or a legitimate bug.

In 40 years of writting software, I've never seen or heard of a software engineer designing a "bug". I do however, see a whole lot of people with absolutely no understanding of operating systems criticize the work of people who spend their lives developing the technology you take for granted, and a good portion of their youth learning how.

In the case of Microsoft and Windows; Do you have any idea how many lines of code there are? And, how many engineers were involved in that development?

I've not attended any engineering meetings at Microsoft, having not worked for them. But, I have attended engineering meetings for some other big boys (National Semi, Intel, Olivetti,and several others); they have never kept "minutes" of these meetings, either on paper or recording. Keeping track of what was said has always been up to the individual engineer ... most of us would consider that "keeping track" as a part of the job.

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Great post. I personally believe that the closed sourced operating systems (Windows and Mac) are starting to realize people won't take the crap anymore and are moving to open sourced software (Linux). Because of this, windows and mac are just blatantly spying on it's users and proactively writing intrusive software to gather all information whilst they can.

I personally can trust linux because the code is transparent. I can go through it with a fine toothed comb if I wish (and which plenty of people DO). Whereas with microsoft and mac - I can only take their word for it that their software has legit intentions.

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Hahaha! Your post is laughable!!! You haven't heard of software engineers writing bugs?? In 40 years?? Wow. Have you ever heard of the "underhanded C competition"? Here's a link for you - underhanded.xcott.com...

Yes, with the 1000s of lines of code it's quite easy to insert "accidental bugs".

Please don't teach your grandmother how to suck eggs.

Sr. OP- Proof?
Open source is just as bad as closed source and arguably has longer delays for fixing such bugs... oops, I meant features. Like when BSD code was compromised by NSA and left unpatched for nearly a decade.... google it.

I did a "proof" of sorts a while back, using WinVista and RHL. It would've cost me more for support from RH than Vista cost for a simple "Full install" / not upgrade. And that worries me because Linux is free and open source, had more [sic]ahem[/sic] bugs than Windows did, and required more reboots than Vista, due to kernel and related patches.

You're more than welcome to duplicate it: Asus P5K-VM, Intel E4500, on-board audio, video and LAN, on-board USB, no other devices. I rebooted once, maybe twice a month for Windows and 5-6 times a month for Linux.

Grow up and get off our backs.

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The problem I think is mainly exploits. Major corporations have phase developments. It's hard for one engineer to see his/her project aspect/module/database/whatever through from beginning to end. But I must insist that there are embedded exploits not placed there by 'hackers' or used by them. We're talking about purposeful applest for the purpose on "internet monitoring"

WIRED said it best on Webmonkey

Windows 7 plans to offer developers location tools at the operating system level and the company doesn’t seem to think users care about control or privacy.

in refrence to the geo-tracking apps system
And of course I have to include what Network World had to say about the privacy issue:

icrosoft does not charge the government even a penny for surveillance of its users. Google charges $25 per user and Yahoo charges $29 per user. ... "Alex Kipman says Kinect interface was left unprotected 'by design.'

In another Wired . com article last year,

Microsoft dropped a DMCA notice alleging copyright infringement on Cryptome’s proprietor John Young on Tuesday after he posted a Microsoft surveillance compliance document that the company gives to law enforcement agents seeking information on Microsoft users.

Now, say again? This is BS? Microsoft dis not purposefully leave unsecured ports, trap doors and embedded software to violate privacy?

~edit, just found the Microsoft Online Services global criminal compliance handbook it's a PDF, again supplies by your friendly neighborhood Wired . com

very beliveble.
I have used firefox sins it first came out.
now Microsoft has its claws in to the probgram
it is going to crap.
just look at the forum.
forum
you dont need to sign up to read it.
Microsoft are geting in to Linux to! god help us.

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Perhaps you should install your Linux software properly, I have barely rebooted my system in 5 years! Faulty capacitors thanks to IBM, gotta leave it run. Message me if you need any help, and I'll gladly walk you through it

Originally posted by buddha
very beliveble.
I have used firefox sins it first came out.
now Microsoft has its claws in to the probgram
it is going to crap.
just look at the forum.
forum
you dont need to sign up to read it.
Microsoft are geting in to Linux to! god help us.

I don't see where the association is at your forum link..

Originally posted by coder22
reply to post by AnthraAndromda

 

Hahaha! Your post is laughable!!! You haven't heard of software engineers writing bugs??

I think you misunderstand, which by the way makes you response wholly illogical.

I didn't say we don't write bugs! Just not on purpose. I've personally written 10's of 1000's of "buggy" lines, and continue to this day. Its all part of the job. The real trick is to find those bugs and exterminate them ... not always so easy. I've seen blocks that make perfect logical sense, and yet, not work.

Have you ever heard of the "underhanded C competition"? Here's a link for you - underhanded.xcott.com...

...

We hereby announce the fifth annual contest to write innocent-looking C code implementing malicious behavior. In many ways this is the exact opposite of the Obfuscated C Code Contest: in this contest you must write code that is as readable, clear, innocent and straightforward as possible, and yet it must fail to perform at its apparent function. To be more specific, it should do something subtly evil.

Nope never heard of this ... but then again, I don't normally associate with criminals. And, make no mistake about it; innocent looking code that performs a nalicious task is criminal. Course then again; where would Norton and the others be without them?

Yes, with the 1000s of lines of code it's quite easy to insert "accidental bugs".

So ... how many lines in Windows? 1000's doesn't even come close ... try millions (X10). And, yes, it has bugs! I curse Microsoft everyday while I'm working. They do some of the stupidest things I've ever seen. But, (stupid != intentional)

Please don't teach your grandmother how to suck eggs.

That was wholly uncalled for! I've been told that you catch more flies with honey than vinegar ... it would seem to follow that if One's point isn't comming out of their ass then they won't act like one.

The other conspiracy is the 18 month double the CPU speed (Moore's law) scam. That is a good way to make money to get us to purchase computers. They have made the motherboards in such a way so you can't just replace the CPU anymore.

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I mean seriously, a code myself, simply missing a closing ]

Indeed that can cause problems. It would not compile.

Originally posted by Ahmose
It is absolutely True.

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Take back your computers.

The joke is that windows is full of holes.

And who is the biggest user of bootleg windows OS,

Over 50% of user of windows in china are using unauthorized bootleg copies of windows.

Many of these are used by the Chinese government.

Microsoft is a division of the NSA.

Why have hackers like the Chinese government uses on the US when with windows the computer gives away the information.

I run duel boot Linux Mint and XP on my fastest computer, This computer is to old for Vista to be installed on it and forget windows 7 for it i would have to buy a new computer.

The rest of my computers run Linux Mint 10 and run just fine.and they are old computers that i got at thrift stores.

Why does windows require you to upgrade your computer every-time they come out with a new OS.

Yet the latest Linux version will run on 10 to 12 year old computers

I believe Microsoft bloats there operating system and gets a kickback from computer manufactures to make older computers obsolete.

A friend works as a IT for the US Navy.

The version of windows 7 Ultimate the navy buys is almost 500mb smaller then is sold to the public.
but will do everything the public version will do.

What is that 500 mb extra that the navy does not get/put on there computers.
is it all spyware?????.

Originally posted by true-life
The other conspiracy is the 18 month double the CPU speed (Moore's law) scam. That is a good way to make money to get us to purchase computers. They have made the motherboards in such a way so you can't just replace the CPU anymore.

Sorry, that's not Moore's Law. It goes more llike; every 18 months the number of active devices on the die doubles.

And, that sir, has certainly happened.

What mother boards are you talking about?!? I have a new box (happens every 5 years or so), there will be no problem when/if I decide to change processors. In fact, I almost did it a couple of weeks ago, but, I couldn't justify the expense of $300.00 on a 4 month old box...maybe next year

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Excellent thread, OP. That's a rather sinister technique. I would not have expected it.

Why am I not surprised?

Originally posted by coder22

Originally posted by christof94
Just another reason to use Mac.

OP, are you an Apple employee?

Haha, nope! I use Linux.

China does the same.

However, Iran didn't ever bother to consider it and didn't see it coming.

Ok, as a software developer for 12 years now, I can say that I have never intentionally designed or written malicious code that made it into production. I did it often as a hobby and for experimentation. I can say that we do not ever keep "minutes" in design and archtiecture meetings. Usually it is just whiteboarding and note taking.

Having said that, I work with Microsoft technology every day of my job. I do NOT work for Microsoft and honestly, probably never would. I respect the guys at Microsoft, but I do see some serious issues in their development quality.

I agree, it is a challenge to write code for Windows. I mean, seriously, here is a software package that has to be user friendly, flexible, and support more hardware than any other OS on the market -- and it is all done by a relatively small team of developers (in comparison to the massive Linux developer base).

I have never really been a fan of closed source programming. I am constantly using Reflector to decompile .NET code, including the framework itself. (I even reflected Reflector )

Microsoft is an MNC, which automatically makes it evil in my eyes. The people are usually pretty good, but the organization as a whole is truely just interested in growing and making more money and damned the torpedos.

So, believable? maybe.. Minutes detailing what bugs to introduce, doubtful.. Minutes detailing that developers should be encouraged to leave "back doors".. plausible.

Just my thoughts.