Overpopulation? Elitest Propaganda and Damned Lies Lies Lies!

Massive flaw in your reasoning.

74% is covered by water, sure.

However, only 3% of that water is actually DRINKABLE, fresh water.

It's like saying that 26% of the planet is covered in land, so why can't we grow food. Sure, but very little of this land is actually ARABLE.

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Starvation and disease would eliminate a large portion of 3rd world populations. As long as said diseases are contained, it would be quite effective. Your problem is you involve too much emotion in the thinking that "Oh no!!!!!, we can't let people starve, that would be horrible!!!!!". Animals starve in an overpopulated ecosystem every day. It is no different with humans.

Eliminating money? That will NEVER happen.

As for Kamen's purification technique, this appeared on a site detailing the process:

produces 10 gallons of clean water an hour on 500 watts of electricity

Is that scalable to the size needed in order to be effective? Where will the energy come from to power it? Who will pay for it?


No offense intended, but it sounds like you are living in a bit of a fantasyland. Lets deal in reality here.

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I offer ways to fix things... Please see my post at the bottom of page 1 of this thread.

You did indeed, I wasn't meaning to say your answers won't work, I meant "they" as in the esoteric "them" the powers that be. They want you to think it's a problem, but not the problem it is, they will offer solutions, but they won't be for the good of the many.

Originally posted by babybunnies
Massive flaw in your reasoning.

74% is covered by water, sure.

However, only 3% of that water is actually DRINKABLE, fresh water.

It's like saying that 26% of the planet is covered in land, so why can't we grow food. Sure, but very little of this land is actually ARABLE.

Dean Kamen has awesome tech - Stephen Colbert even featured it on His show - and the plenum energy to run it is all around Us.

So *I'M* thinking We can lick that problem. And see abundance of potable water flow forth. That's what I'm thinking.

I've never believed in overpopulation and i've read somewhere that the entire worlds population could fit into Australia and have enough land and food to survive.

Good thread.
I find hope in the fact we can see how it should be, its not a murky future. Its doable.
Having machines doing jobs would free up valuable time, time we could spend evolving spiritually, mentally and its known that a stress free comfortable hu-man population feel less need to overly procreate.

Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
reply to post by Amaterasu

 

I offer ways to fix things... Please see my post at the bottom of page 1 of this thread.

You did indeed, I wasn't meaning to say your answers won't work, I meant "they" as in the esoteric "them" the powers that be. They want you to think it's a problem, but not the problem it is, they will offer solutions, but they won't be for the good of the many.

Thank you for the clarification. [smile] Maybe I'll start a thread called, "Will the Abundance Paradigm Work?" I think it will. IF enough people know about it.

"They" are Our fellow Beings, it turns out. "They" are choosing unEthically. They fail to give Humans the status of Being.

Thanks again. [smile]

Visit Texas, and you will see how over population is bunk.

Open land for MILES.


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Originally posted by ViperChili
reply to post by Amaterasu

 

Starvation and disease would eliminate a large portion of 3rd world populations. As long as said diseases are contained, it would be quite effective. Your problem is you involve too much emotion in the thinking that "Oh no!!!!!, we can't let people starve, that would be horrible!!!!!". Animals starve in an overpopulated ecosystem every day. It is no different with humans.

Eliminating money? That will NEVER happen.

As for Kamen's purification technique, this appeared on a site detailing the process:

produces 10 gallons of clean water an hour on 500 watts of electricity

Is that scalable to the size needed in order to be effective? Where will the energy come from to power it? Who will pay for it?


No offense intended, but it sounds like you are living in a bit of a fantasyland. Lets deal in reality here.

What, exactly, are these elite and gigantic corporations going to do with their profits and massive bank accounts, anyways?

What is the point in constantly amassing all this wealth? If you spend $15,000 a month and have $80 billion, what are you waiting for?

I don't see why we think that money, energy, anything is at risk. I guarantee that if every 'elite' donated 25% of their wealth to discover cleaner burning coal (not that we probably already don't have it), disease research (researching completely healthy vaccines, and distributing them worldwide), and developing the infrastructure for solar energy and urban farming, we could do it with some to spare in infrastructure in solar energy and free energy development (if it's not already here).

We have enough oil to last our current (ridiculous, inefficient) needs for another 100 years. That's basically 100 years we have to develop alternative energy resources, and effectively end any global control. If there's enough food and clean energy to go around, and say everybody has 1/4 acre of farm able land located near a freshwater source, we're already in a Heaven we've built for ourselves.

To quote one of my favorite videos, "And there might yet be a heaven, but it isn’t going to be perfect. And we’re going to have to build it ourselves."

It is true in my opinion that over population is a farce as it is against what God said be fruitful and multiply.

And as you have show 1 of the many possibilities is to farm in the waters that cover most of the planet.

There are so many ways,

Yet many are not ready to believe that Money is the root of all evil.

Overpopulation exists.

Overpopulation is a condition where an organism's numbers exceed the carrying capacity of its habitat.

And in humans, its not about mere surviving, but living a sufficient quality life.

Notice that the definition does not speak about reasons why carrying capacity is insufficient. Whether it is caused by the TPTB or genuine lack of resources, number of people approaches or exceeds current carrying capacity in some areas, so there is local overpopulation.

en.wikipedia.org...

sustainability.publicradio.org...

How many Earths would we need if everyone lived like a westerner, even assuming all people would live in modern ecological housing complexes with majority of power coming from renewables?

en.wikipedia.org...

Two recent studies have examined relatively low-impact small communities. BedZED, a 96-home mixed-income housing development in South London, was designed by Bill Dunster Architects and sustainability consultants BioRegional for the Peabody Trust. Despite being populated by relatively "mainstream" home-buyers, BedZED was found to have a footprint of 3.20 gha due to on-site renewable energy production, energy-efficient architecture, and an extensive green lifestyles program that included on-site London's first carsharing club.

Thats right, more than 3 Earths.

Now I am not advocating violent population reduction, but we certainly dont need further increase, and I am all for reducing the growth rate - that means preventing births, not killing people. At least in the overpopulated areas with high growth (demographic trap). See the chinese for inspiration

Why is 7 billion people not enough?

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Great Post; very well presented.
Here are a couple of videos that address the overpopulation disinformation:



I get a kick out of people who say things like the world is over populated with this kind or that kind of people. I am a WASP and could easily say the same kind of thing but what the people who are always pointing their fingers in this direction or that don't realize others are pointing their fingers at them. Live and let live; those who refuse to live by this law are the ones who are not long for this world.

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Yeah the world is overpopulated...with ignorant people and crazy power/money hungry punks

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It's called population density.

The overpopulation myth is a myth.

The reason no one in the cities believes this is because they live in the cities.


David Grouchy

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whats the point of 21 billion people then ? just to exists - if less people means more focus on our future like space travel and science instead of non profits to feed the poor guess which one I want.

reply to post by MajorKarma

I agree with you. There is no "population" problem, it's just another form of control. So the WAFLE, isn't a problem, we already have it.

Move it to the rant section.

The earth IS overpopulated with humans, humans that rely on the state, not nature itself. Compare our species to every single other, we're parasitic, worse than ants and termites as far as coverage goes.

To all of you who think we don't have a population problem......how many people would be too many??....I really want to know. We're around seven billion now....would fourteen billion be enough?....fifty billion?.....a hundred billion? and, when there gets to be too many for you, how do you intend to deal with that?

The population has more than doubled in my lifetime.....things were better then in many ways. I don't understand why more people is better to you folks.

Originally posted by davidgrouchy
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It's called population density.

The overpopulation myth is a myth.

The reason no one in the cities believes this is because they live in the cities.

David Grouchy

But overpopulation is not about population density at all. It is about total population in relation to available resources.

There are densely populated cities which have abundant resources and high quality of life, and are not overpopulated.

There are vast deserts where people die of thirst and hunger, because space itself will not feed anyone.

It is all about available resources per person. But armchair experts do not know this, and then we get such naive threads like this..