Bus passengers kidnapped for recruitment in Mexico gangs

Bus passengers kidnapped for recruitment in Mexico gangs

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A bus was hijacked in a northern Mexican state to recruit the male passengers as gunmen in drug gangs, according to witnesses.

The bus, heading for the border with the US, was stopped by armed men in San Fernando city in Tamaulipas state. The armed men forced young men off the bus and let the rest of the passengers go, the Reforma newspaper reported citing witnesses' accounts.

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A new Warden Message came out today from the US Embasy warning of the potential hazards of highway through the State of Tamaulipas that borders Texas.

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From late March to early April, the Consulate received three reports
from American Citizens or their families regarding inter-city buses
being boarded by criminals. In at least one instance, male bus
passengers, including an American citizen, were forcibly removed from
those buses and have yet to be located.

Things are heating up over this "Drug War". It really does not have to be this way. I believe there are more effective policies to deal with drugs, that is if the publicly-stated goals are in earnest. Those policies would, however, be much less lucrative to the players on either side.

Myself, I avoid travel into northern Mexico. It seems to get much more dangerous as one nears the border.

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reply to post by Erongaricuaro


Kind of off topic but what are some things you like in Mexico? Pros and cons. I knew the border towns are horrible but is it all because of drugs? Are their many cartels in the south?

Thats horrible news.
But they're stepping up border security with the Canadian border.

reply to post by ItsEvolutionBaby


I know, kind of ridiculous eh? Had to throw in the eh...

The Mexican border is much more dangerous...I can't believe they sought to secure the Canadian border over the south...

I will never ever ever ever ever ever EVER go to Mexico.


If you do right now. You must be retarded.

If you go and you get killed, its your fault.


You should know better.

Originally posted by LoverBoy
reply to post by Erongaricuaro

 

Kind of off topic but what are some things you like in Mexico? Pros and cons. I knew the border towns are horrible but is it all because of drugs? Are their many cartels in the south?

Right away one notices there is much more cooperation and courtesy among the people as well as a lot more personal liberty. One is fairly much permitted to do as he pleases in Mexico as long as it does not create a nuisance, but with that kind of liberty comes a bit of chaos. That sort of chaos may create some annoyances but we just take it in stride, the more we tolerate the more we are tolerated for our differences.

Former President Fox asked the Mexican congress to pass laws lifting the ban on drugs so the problem could be dealt with as a health issue. The congress responded with a bill to do just that, but before President Fox signed it he was pressured not to do so. In 2006 in a squeaker of a presidential election where his opponent was first named winner Felipe Calderón was finally declared President after the results were delayed by about two weeks. He wasted no time stepping-up the Drug War to unprecedented levels, the results of which have been making the news since that time.

There is cartel activity in central Mexico but nothing like what is happening at the border areas. Few innocents get involved in the crossfire and the actions stay pretty localized to those involved. When "heads roll" it is for a reason, and some cartels have named themselves the local protectors of the people in their areas, and indeed take up policing criminal activity where the police leave-off, it would appear. Many "cartel" members view themselves as freedom fighters against the greedy forces that perpetuate the Drug War misery, even using drug resources to fund their own war against these elements.

reply to post by Frankenchrist


Me, too!

I used to visit Mexico often. Had lots of fun. That was then, this is now.
My sister used to do cheap traveling and camping vacations in Baja, back in the 1970's. It was expected that some bandits would stop them and "hold them up". But they didn't take lives, and they didn't take everything! The banditos wanted them to enjoy the rest of their stay and come back again.

Originally posted by Frankenchrist
I will never ever ever ever ever ever EVER go to Mexico.


If you do right now. You must be retarded.

If you go and you get killed, its your fault.


You should know better.

Well... to the spring breakers do not seem to mind

ps i agree our borders states are pretty dangerous right now

And guess what, this is happening more than we think. Know why we don't hear about it? Most newspaper in Mexico are censoring those stories.

For mainly three reasons.

- Afraid of the cartels (lots of journalists have been killed)
- Newspaper being bribed to report on the cartels as some kinds of ``Robin Hoods`` or being bribed to not say a thing
- Not compromise police investigations into the cartels

Mexico is a failed state, simple as that.

And kidnapping people in buses like that reminds me of the warlords in Africa going from village to village to forcefully recruit kids...

This kind of insane violence is only on the US-Mexico border... which is a plus.

Mexico is a great country with hard working people... this whole situation is very sad. This is what happens when there's lots of corruption, drugs are illegal and the average citizen can't get weapons.

Originally posted by Frankenchrist
I will never ever ever ever ever ever EVER go to Mexico.


If you do right now. You must be retarded.

If you go and you get killed, its your fault.


You should know better.

I hear you. It is quite a different story living in Mexico - though that would depend on where you live. I avoid playing tourist now though just a few years ago that was not a problem to travel. Despite some warts I still feel much safer here in Mexico going about my daily routines than I did living in California. but agreed, it is not the best time right now to be a tourist in Mexico. But I believe it is a great place to live.

Originally posted by Vitchilo
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Mexico is a failed state, simple as that.

And kidnapping people in buses like that reminds me of the warlords in Africa going from village to village to forcefully recruit kids...

This kind of insane violence is only on the US-Mexico border... which is a plus.

Mexico is a great country with hard working people... this whole situation is very sad. This is what happens when there's lots of corruption, drugs are illegal and the average citizen can't get weapons.

edit on 12-4-2011 by Vitchilo because: (no reason given)

Maybe not a failed state... IMO USA says that because the mediate consequence is the advancement of new interventionist doctrines aimed at consolidating areas of influence in our country.

Drugs cartel were always in Latino America, this exist because hidden interest from some goverments is to satisfy demand to the first world. The current violence and media coverage they have today (cartels) seems to me more a hidden agenda controlled by corrupt groups.
Its a complex situation

And there is weapons, just not legalized. I dont think weapons are the solution

reply to post by Erongaricuaro


The US doesn't go to war on drugs within US border because they know this sort of thing will happen, but they don't mind doing it in other countries. Almost 30000 people have been killed in Mexico, because US refuses to fight the war within its own border, the drug dealers within US are 10X more powerful than the drug cartels, the government doesn't want to face them.

Many of the local thugs and mafia members are also part of a growing cult following of La Santa Muerte. These criminals are not atheists they still have strong spiritual roots. And the Santa Muerte is their patron as would the Saints of the Catholic Church which many commit idolatry with. She has the form of the virgin Mary, but has a skeleton head and carries the sickle.

The activity from the low street thugs to the higher Cartel leaders is steeped in occult and demonic rituals and sacrifices. Is it any wonder the crime?

And the crime activity is getting out of control. I know of a woman that was walking down the street in a certain small town and was kidnapped in broad daylight. But the kidnapping used to be localized to rich families. Not so anymore. Anyone is a target. You never want to walk around with anything visible that might attract undo attention. Also if you work at a decent place of employment, especially in larger cities, where you carry ID, you want to hide it before you go out in public so that no one that may be observing you knows of your place of work, or your position, you're just asking for trouble.

reply to post by Erongaricuaro


This is Funked.... and i wanted to visit Mexico too.... o well..... i'm not setting foot over there.....

The Canadian secirity grab which DHS is making is just another indication of the intentions of the two goverments to unite both countries under one flag.
There is a deep and intense agenda in play organising the harmonization of our laws and statutes.
The US and Canada will be united within the decade.
The play on border security is just another ruse by the goverments towards that end.
I believe that the Mexican situation is created and sustained by the same forces which are uniting the two countries to the north.
Mexico will be taken over slowly by US military and police involvement in the raging drug war which has been fieled by the US govt supplying weapons, and moving drugs north for the cartels.
(all the while cashing in on both ends of the deal....)(see Mena airport et al.)
In the end, there will be one united north america, and fewer people inhabiting it.
The resource grab by the US (sucking up both countries,) will put it back on top of the worlds list of giant economies.
And i really believe this is all a done deal now....just will take a little more unfolding.......

For years i lived in a bordertown,and isaw the desperation of the people to go north escaping the violence ,and now this modality never was seen before til degree of kidnapping people from interstate buses,seem like now somebody in the US is desperate to get the drugs that are being transported thru the south border.Regardless of the meanings.Theres a violent country now,but they have a big incentive to turn into animals.Is it money????demand????...both????but if we all against violence and drugs,something is missing,,,,any thoughts?????....who could be the contrapart of this gangs???????in this country????

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I have been observing the Drug War for over 40 years and the things that always seem to hold true about is that anytime the authorities turn up the heat on it the problems get worse, i.e., the prices go up on the commodity, the demand increases, more players get involved, and peripheral crime increases along with it.

At that point the people who live with and see the increase in crime become more convinced the problems are brought on by the drugs themselves and become more in favor of turning law enforcement efforts up another notch, along with being willing to give up their own personal liberties in the belief it will aid law enforcement to act more effectively in fighting the crime that is inherent with the Drug War. I never see the availability of drugs decrease for more time than it takes for the prices to rise.

Prohibition policies economically favor law enforcement and the entities that traffic in the contraband. It always has an adverse effect on the consumer and the persons that are not involved who live with the increasingly lawless streets as law enforcement efforts are directed toward apprehending the consumers and street-level dealers, with attention taken away from dealing with other crime problems. Judicial policies are such that minimum and mandatory sentences be given drug offenders, however petty, while actual criminals are put back on the streets.

Just my humble observation.