6 Year Old Girl groped by New Orleans TSA.This Has To Stop...

I had a conversation on the subject of TSA shenanigans with my great aunt and step-father over the Christmas holiday. My aunt is well into her seventies, a devout catholic, and a practicing defense attorney. Evidently she was subjected to the TSA brand of TLC at the airport.

My step-father was of the opinion that taking nudie scanner photos of an elderly woman was not only a spectacularly obtuse means of preventing terrorist activities, but also a profoundly offensive human rights infringement.

My aunt unleashed an uncharacteristically loud, red-faced tirade about how such measures were taken to ensure passenger safety, and that she, for one, was happy to submit to such precautions should they prevent further terrorist activity. She professed to be disgusted by stories of male passengers showing up to security check points half-naked by way of protest or refusing to comply with TSA demands altogether, thus holding up the line for compliant passengers. Clearly, a nerve had been touched.

I successfully redirected the conversation by pointing out that many groups (women, Muslims, activists) had been complaining for YEARS about TSA policies and abuses; but that it was only now, when white males were being subjected to the same treatment that it became a newsworthy topic and the object of widespread outrage.

And now it has come to this: a child squirming in discomfort at being inappropriately touched by a stranger, her concerned mother being brusquely pointed to the side. Are we angry yet? Or are we ****ing furious?

reply to post by maybereal11


There is no misconstruing that image, buddy. It is what it is! If you are on board with this, you are on board with the NWO and the outpicturing of George Orwell's 1984. I oppose this and every action of tyranny turning up at the hands of the most despotic leaders our country has ever had.

reply to post by mistermonculous

I had a conversation on the subject of TSA shenanigans with my great aunt and step-father over the Christmas holiday. My aunt is well into her seventies, a devout catholic, and a practicing defense attorney. Evidently she was subjected to the TSA brand of TLC at the airport.

It is interesting to note that of the three it was the defense attorney who was the one vociferously defending the disparagement of individual rights in favor of security. This is a disturbing phenomenon among attorney's, that they show little to no regard for individual rights and more regard for the machinery of the state. On the one hand, this makes sense given that your great aunt is presumably a licensed attorney and as such has sworn a fealty to the state, but it is, for her clients, a profound conflict of interest.

Perhaps this explains why the federal government holds a 97% conviction rate, as defense attorneys are more concerned with the power of government than they are the rights of individuals.

Disturbing to say the least.

reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux


I concur, I found it most disturbing indeed. I have always admired my aunt, she takes on a lot of pro bono work and authored groundbreaking legislation in her state which introduced essential protective measures for battered women seeking to prosecute their abusers.

My impression was that her anger was the result of a denial mechanism. She felt on some level that her rights had, indeed, been infringed upon; but this feeling was at odds with her deeply entrenched perception of federal institutions being lawful bodies serving the interests of American citizens.

I'm going to play devil's advocate here...

This video has CLEARLY been tampered with. The child's voice is louder than anything else in the video. She is heard loud & clear OVER the TSA agent, even when she is standing behind her. At one point audio has been dubbed over when her mouth is turned away just enough to be out of view of the camera. But her jaw isn't moving at all, even when she is supposed to be speaking.

Not to mention the mother is so freaking ignorant that she thinks this is a "drug test".

The TSA agent was kind, gentle, explained everything as she went along. I'm sure she didn't like what she was doing any more than anyone else. She seemed uncomfortable to me.

I fly in, out and around the middle east all the time. I'm surrounded by people wearing veils and full-out masks and turbans and what-not every single day. The Arab world is so diverse that many of the locals look very European to me (light skin, blue/green/hazel eyes, lighter hair). Some look completely African (very dark skin). Muslims from some countries (for example Indonesia) look very Asian. And everything in between.

For the TSA to discriminate based on clothing or skin tone or nose structure would be a HUGE MISTAKE.

So yes, I believe there are radical Muslim extremists who look as European as your average Iowan, or who could be mistaken by an American as being Japanese, and who would use their children as weapons.

Originally posted by mistermonculous
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux

 

I concur, I found it most disturbing indeed.
...
this feeling was at odds with her deeply entrenched perception of the federal institutions being lawful bodies serving the interests of American citizens.

Thanks to both yourself and Jean Paul for pointing this out. As for the people's interest:
the recent Supreme Court decision virtually granting criminal immunity to a prosecutor
witholding evidence [beneficial to the defendant they're attempting to convict] is personally
stunning to me. If this is a correct interpretation, truth and justice just got a black eye
from the very last word in case law-- and it seems like business as usual in the BAR.
If I was a practicing defense attourney and found this style of obstruction regularly
condoned even ten years ago, the Old Baker would get a Richter 6 dish shaker.

It's indeed a cause for alarm to see what's globally being called commonplace
by precedent.

reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux

Far from being an educated guess, sport, you are just one more sycophant of tyranny excusing the disparagement of rights in the name of fear.

Thou speaketh through thine anus, plebe.

You refrain from answering the question because it would entail a modicum of maturity. Why, we ask?..

It has nothing to do with your 'rights'. It asks the question of whether you can address the very situation that sane people try to avoid. And your 'rights' are not being infringed at all. Just as I must temporarily suspend my 2nd Amendment right when I board an aircraft, then others may have to submit to a search to board.

You have no 'right' to board an airplane. And there are many such temporary "No Right Zones" in our world. But that is part of living in a complex, increasingly dangerous world. And please....no slippery slope arguments or freedom vs security false choices. They do not always reflect reality. And you always have the choice of not flying.

So my question remains: If an arbitrary age limit were imposed, where no child under the age of 12 could be searched, for example...and a rash of mid-air bombings resulted...how would YOU address and handle the situation, Mr. King For a Day?

Don't say my scenario is ridiculous. In the mideast, there are countless instances of youngsters being used as death mules. And please, stop it with the labeling of others as " sycophants of tyranny" just because they disagree with you.

What do we do, Bunky? How do we handle those pesky situations?

Definitely looked a bit odd. When I heard her say 'sensitive parts/area' I almost spat my full English.
But in some parts of the world ok. I wonder how much explosive she could strap to a kids koochie anyway, enough to light a cigar???

I still can't believe anyone would defend this crap. Like I said, if you are such a coward, that you would condone being felt up, and your kids being felt up, to give you the delusion of safety then stay in your house. Give up your own damn freedom and don't travel out of your house. Hire some security, and there you are, as safe as you can get, all nice and cozy in your house. Let us brave souls who want to be free to travel, be free.

Hi all,

I need help here? What is the damn problem with this search?

Muslims are using bombs on childrens all the time that is like standard in their theorist handbook of evil.

Perhaps I try to smugle cocain on my doughter who knows?

I really do not see the problem with this search. - AT ALL.

//Wrathier.

reply to post by TKDRL


So your version of freedom is to allow lunatics with weapons onto public aircraft full of people?

That is a delusion of freedom.

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
reply to post by Mike.Ockizard

 

Clearly by your last post, I did not miss the point of your original post at all. Oh well, because I am scared, the little girl looses? That is your point, and you have effectively made that clear in your last post.

Just because rights are being trampled upon randomly as opposed to uniformly does not excuse this disparagement of rights, and since it was you who made the point that there are evil people who will use children for the purposes of destruction, then it should be pointed out that this is precisely what you are doing, even if it be a random act.

So, if given the limited choice of outcomes a) search nobody and let a bomb get on the plane via a little girl, and b) have the girl searched, you would choose to get on the plane with the bomb?

Pick a or b. That's my point. I'm anxious to hear if you would truly die for your ideals.

You asked for my point. Please don't twist it for your agenda.

Originally posted by kathael
Either there's too much security or when something happens there isn't enough. I agree that it is pretty much taboo for this. I work in this industry and we have been informed via internal memorandums that there was an incident in England where a mother had strapped an IED on her child, whether that's true or not or just created to condone additional screening, it's still terrible. It's really sad to see what this world is coming to..

However, I would like to add that this TSA agent went about her job very professionally and made every attempt to explain the procedure to the family and the girl as it continued, and no, it's not a drug test (like stated by the mother at 1:25). Anyways, that's just my 2 cents.

edit on 10-4-2011 by kathael because:

Rhetorical questions but...

Question 1. Were the mother and child muslim?

Question2. Why was the child not put into protective care/sent back to where ever?

Question3. Why was the mother not taken outside to a special area, strapped witht the bomb, and done away with?

Islam is a disease. But it has a cure.

As far as the "professional" tsa goon, I'm sure the Liebstandarte SS were quite professional as well.

Originally posted by mindseye21

Originally posted by DZAG Wright

Originally posted by Deja`Vu
Who said I wanted to be a part of THIS society? And who gave me the opportunity to agree or disagree

You said it, by everything you partake in, this internet for example. Do you work? Is your trash picked up? Do you have a fire guard at your house? If someones whippin on your arse do you call the police? Do you raise and grow your own food?

If you answered yes to any of these questions, you like everyone else is a member of THIS society.

Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes
I have to add another comment, after reading several of the latest ones.

First, people do, in fact, have a right to fly as a method of travel if they wish, and choosing that method does NOT, by any stretch of the imagination, mean that they have given up their rights. Anyone stating otherwise needs to look up and read the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, etc., and LEARN. Second, this isn't because "the devil" gave us flying, etc. Seriously?? People fly because it's faster, most of the time, and they need to for business, or want to for a vacation. Nothing about that means the government, or anyone else, has the right to pat down people for NO REASON. Especially since they refuse to check the people most likely to actually be a threat to a plane.

Don't kid yourselves, either. This is not just airports. They have vans patrolling the southern border, that can x-ray your CAR, and see if you are carrying a gun in it. In my state, I can carry one in my car, no permit needed. Can open-carry, too. Yet those vans would see me as a criminal or terrorist. Then we have the cameras. Every place you go, there are cameras. Stores, roads, schools, all over the place. No privacy at all. Heard of people in GB that had "traffic mans" that were looking INTO THEIR HOMES! How may of you live in a place where you might have the same? They can take your property for no reason other than an accusation of drugs. No evidence, no charges, even. They can take your property if they decide it would better serve THEM in some other fashion. They can tell you that you have no right to the water, the minerals, the oil, etc, on land you OWN. Whether you can build this or that. How high your grass can be. Children are forced to go to school (some places it's very hard to home school), and then forced to hear about practices they should not, whether parents agree or not, forced to eat the school lunch, subject to limitations on their freedom of speech, subject to illegal search and seizure, etc.

This business with TSA is just another step in the process.

For those claiming that "nothing inappropriate happened"; do you think Obama would subject HIS children to this? How about the rest of the politicians? Would you want some stranger touching your child like that? This was wrong. Deeply wrong. If we don't stand up and fight this sort of thing, it will be too late.

*Clears throat*
How the HELL does someone have a Right to fly? Unless, that is, they build their own airplaine! Boarding that plane or entering that airport is the same as entering someones club...where they WILL pat you down because it's THEIR establishment.

You have a Right to travel...which is composed of YOU using your God given two feet. THAT'S what you have a Right too. Unless, as I state, you own your private airplane.

When I say Devil, I don't mean as in the Christians depiction and it is just an adjective. It holds merit however and let me better explain what I mean.

When we decided to live in highly complicated societies, giving up our small family or tribal existence, we basically made a pact that we would relinquish some of our Rights for the comfort and stability of a society. Any time you live in proximety with others you have given up some Rights. If you live alone in an apartment, guess what, you can do what ever you want. You don't even have to wash or clean up after yourself. The moment someone else moves in, you give up the Right to live like pig.

Most of the luxuries we have were able to come to fruitrion because we have an organized society that is governed.

I'm not saying I'm for big government, I'm just realizing the deal for what it really is.

reply to post by Mike.Ockizard

So, if given the limited choice of outcomes a) search nobody and let a bomb get on the plane via a little girl, and b) have the girl searched, you would choose to get on the plane with the bomb?

Actually, using his logic, the little girl could stay at home and watch cartoons. His freedom prohibits searches, so why not use a strong young man to lug a 100lb explosive onto the plane to get a real bang for his buck!

I'd rather live in a country without extensive security searches and have the .0001% chance of being killed in a terrorist attack than live in a country where a 6-year-old girl is molested in public in the name of security. You have a higher chance of being killed by a bee sting or being struck by lightning than dying in a terrorist attack for crying out loud!

Sadly, I think we've reached the point of no return. The American people don't have the backbone to do anything against the government, and I seriously doubt that will change, even when we are all starving and jobless. We've been conditioned from birth to accept everything, and we don't know how to *intelligently and strategically* act rebellious. Instead we are here on ATS, keyboard warriors, raging away in a closed-circuit discussion. We are just letting off steam. We aren't planning demonstrations, or calling Congress. We are just venting until our anger eventually subsides and moves onto the next flavor of the week outrage.

Originally posted by DZAG Wright

Originally posted by mindseye21

Originally posted by DZAG Wright

Originally posted by Deja`Vu
Who said I wanted to be a part of THIS society? And who gave me the opportunity to agree or disagree

You said it, by everything you partake in, this internet for example. Do you work? Is your trash picked up? Do you have a fire guard at your house? If someones whippin on your arse do you call the police? Do you raise and grow your own food?

If you answered yes to any of these questions, you like everyone else is a member of THIS society.

I dont see how growing my own food makes me a part? If anything that separates from all the herds of sheep walking around not watching whats in their food. But the question was rhetorical, and the answer is horrible. Like I said I was not given a choice, seeing as my parents lived in a city when I was born. Not like they were gonna say OK son, were moving into the forest. No my parents worked hard and slaved long hours just so we could barely eat 2 meals a day, and sometimes 1 for my Father. If someone is trying to hurt me I dont run to the police, their quite corrupt in my area and would most likely extort me for protection or something along those lines. All Im trying to say is modern "society" is #'ed up. We were better off living in the forests in small communal groups IMHO.

reply to post by northexpedition

I'd rather die in a terrorist attack than live in a country where a 6-year-old girl is molested in public in the name of security. Sadly, I think we've reached the point of no return. The American people don't have the backbone to do anything against the government, and I seriously doubt that will change, even when we are all starving and jobless.

Name one industrialized nation that has no equivalent security in their airports? Just one.

How would you handle the very real threats posed here by members? Put aside the tired old pablum we've heard a million times. You're the head of security. How do you deal with those threats?

reply to post by LadyGreenEyes


Very good post and most people still don't get it.........your quote said it all.

This business with TSA is just another step in the process.

If everyone and I mean everyone refused to be scanned or groped even including not being allowed to fly, if EVERYONE stood together this would stop.

But most people sadly enough are sheep.

They're being driven off to slaughter and are too stupid to realize it.