Three questions for astronomers regarding Elenin

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What evidence?

There is none. Sorry. but all you have is speculation about a comet that you believe causes earthquakes.

We are all entitled to have our beliefs. You have yours , I have mine.

Time really will tell.

I am pretty sure that japan people DO NOT beleive that their earthquakes were caused by a distant comet.

But like you I have not actually been there and interviewed them.

Originally posted by guessing
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What evidence?

There is none. Sorry. but all you have is speculation about a comet that you believe causes earthquakes.

whatta ya mean "what evidence"??? LOL

Evidence in its broadest sense includes everything that is used to determine or demonstrate the truth of an assertion. Giving or procuring evidence is the process of using those things that are either (a) presumed to be true, or (b) were themselves proven via evidence, to demonstrate an assertion's truth.

the jpl images is/are EVIDENCE supporting what I've ASSERTED or the ASSERTION of what i'm arguing that isn't based on an OPINION especially when a PATTERN can be demonstrated.

A pattern, from the French patron, is a type of theme of recurring events or objects, sometimes referred to as elements of a set of objects.
These elements repeat in a predictable manner. It can be a template or model which can be used to generate things or parts of a thing, especially if the things that are created have enough in common for the underlying pattern to be inferred, in which case the things are said to exhibit the unique pattern.
The most basic patterns, called Tessellations, are based on repetition and periodicity. A single template, tile, or cell, is combined with duplicates without change or modification. For example, simple harmonic oscillators produce repeated patterns of movement.

you are entitled to your OPINION that there's no PATTERN and no evidence exists, when in FACT there is.

Originally posted by guessing
We are all entitled to have our beliefs. You have yours , I have mine.

the difference being I can support what i claim is evidence for my argument.

you have yet to provide any COUNTER-ARGUMENT whatsoever against what i've presented that shows exactly how and where what i've asserted is false.

its a FACT you cannot show ELENIN has not aligned with the SUN and EARTH on 3 unique dates based upon the Orbital diagram courtesy of NASA.
its also a FACT you cannot refute that 9NANIA specifically warned of a specific 3 day window naming MARCH 11TH 2011 as the timeframe and exact date for a MAJOR CATASTROPHIC QUAKE hitting a country in the Pacific RoF.
Its an irrrefutable FACT that Sollog said 3/11 was a date connected to MAJOR Quakes and also warned how a Nuke Disaster would be caused by such a quake.

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now you can CLAIM all you want that the above EVIDENCE and FACTS are nonsense and false or failed.. but until you can show exactly how and where the evidence for my argument is wrong, your OPINION is meaningless in measuring the validity of my argument and their predictions/prophecies.

Originally posted by guessing
Time really will tell.

Great... good luck to you then... I sincerely hope you don't live anywhere near the west coast of the United States... and i really do hope i'm wrong. but the odds and EVIDENCE says i won't be.

Originally posted by guessing
I am pretty sure that japan people DO NOT beleive that their earthquakes were caused by a distant comet.
But like you I have not actually been there and interviewed them.

The evidence has nothing to do with whether the people of Japan believe their quake was caused by a comet.

Do you even know what a red-herring is?

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cool, your right, i am wrong... can't argue with that can you?

can you?

Originally posted by truthseekr1111

Originally posted by NyxOne

Originally posted by truthseekr1111

Originally posted by alfa1
But I've got a question for you.
Whats the issue with Elenin? I've seen it referred to several times on ATS. Who came up with the idea that this particular comet was somehow worthy of conspiracy theory attention, and why?

Actually it gained the most attention beginning with 9nania and her warning explaining how a specific sun-earth alignment and timeframe (directly stating march 11th as one of the key dates) for a major earth shift and seismic event, would occur... WHICH DID.

Terral03 then created a video thats gone viral explaining how 3 of the largest and most destructive quakes over the past year just happen to connect to a specific sun-earth alignment in conjunction with Elenin.

Then you add the oddities and unanswered questions as it relates to Elenin (as most in this thread and many others have been discussing), and Viola, its the perfect recipe for a conspiracy and more than worthy of attention.

Now of course skeptics and most will continue denying there's any relationship between Elenin and these earth changes or unique mega Quakes, but just the fact that according to a NASA/JPL model and data, 3 major quakes occurred on a unique near alignment of Elenin, shows a PATTERN going far beyond the type of coincidence most will ever admit.

edit on 17-4-2011 by truthseekr1111 because: (no reason given)

Yep, 9nania, who dropped off the face of the internet after making a truly epic failed prediction.

HOW SO? She nailed the EXACT DATE and window for a catastrophic seismic event.

DIRECT HIT. its an irrefutable FACT... yet you keep denying it. why?

Originally posted by NyxOne
Guessing that something will happen between X date and Y date does not make you a 'prophet'. If I say, off-handedly, that someone of great importance will die in a plane crash in the next fortnight, and it happens, does that make me psychic?

Depends on the context and details you gave prior to the event.

But how is saying there WILL be a MAJOR EARTHQUAKE ("I'M SURE OF IT") on MARCH 11TH 2011 or even in a 3 day window, guessing? She could have picked/named 361 other days of the year... but she chose MARCH 11TH 2011.

She was clear several times and repeated the date she was talking about would have a MAJOR Quake.

Even if she didn't specifically name MARCH 11TH 2011, the window for the quake she was warning about was within 3 days.

Can't be any more clear in making a prediction for a UNIQUE Earthquake to occur.

and how many Quakes have ever caused a Nuke Disaster? How many have warned that 3/11 is connected to MAJOR QUAKES?

Between the 11th and some other date is not 'exact'. She didn't even give any reason as to why one would happen, as I recall. She just randomly guessed.

Oh, and you haven't heard? That failed prediction for a catastrophic, devastating quake in California, after which she outright disappeared and hasn't been seen for almost a month?

To my amusement, she actually said that a 'personal event' happened on the 31st, as if to give her prediction a shred of truth or credibility.

I was just listening to Coast to Coast from the 10/4/2011 and heard Marshall Masters mention Comet Elenin. He seems to think the coma of Elenin is between the sizes of Jupiter and Uranus.

Jupiters Diameter - 142,984 km - 88,846 miles
Uranus Diameter - 51,118 km - 31,763 miles

So from what he is saying the coma could be in between 50- 142,000 km. Too small for Planet X, but he also mentions it is something to keep an eye on. To me this 4km Comet may be a bit bigger than first anticipated, unless he doesn't have a clue what he is talking about.

Here's the link

www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by Redevilfan09
I was just listening to Coast to Coast from the 10/4/2011 and heard Marshall Masters mention Comet Elenin. He seems to think the coma of Elenin is between the sizes of Jupiter and Uranus.

Jupiters Diameter - 142,984 km - 88,846 miles
Uranus Diameter - 51,118 km - 31,763 miles

So from what he is saying the coma could be in between 50- 142,000 km. Too small for Planet X, but he also mentions it is something to keep an eye on. To me this 4km Comet may be a bit bigger than first anticipated, unless he doesn't have a clue what he is talking about.

Here's the link

www.youtube.com...

The coma is about 80,000 km in size.

So, yes, it is larger than Uranus, but that's only in the case of the cloud of gas, not the comet itself.

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Yep gotcha , whats funny is I seen another poster in another thread claim that the coma was 900,000km , where the hell are people getting that information from if they are not making it up?

Some interesting reading:

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

I know I don't have to remind you to ignore the subjective comments in the article. Concentrate on the physics.

Cheers

JS

Originally posted by Redevilfan09
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Yep gotcha

, whats funny is I seen another poster in another thread claim that the coma was 900,000km

, where the hell are people getting that information from if they are not making it up?

Well, that's the tail. Not exactly a made-up figure, just applied to the wrong part of the comet.

Originally posted by jumpspace
Concentrate on the physics.

Sorry, but in this fanciful tale, I'm struggling to find any actual physics. Could you point some out for me?

Venus was a massive comet that was originally captured by
the Planet Jupiter an estimated 600 years prior to approximately 3650B.C.
It was known by many names during the time that it moved in the
plane of the planets, first devastating the water planet Mars. In that
encounter, Venus the huge comet sucked the atmosphere and oceans
from our sister planet...

Originally posted by alfa1

Originally posted by jumpspace
Concentrate on the physics.

Sorry, but in this fanciful tale, I'm struggling to find any actual physics. Could you point some out for me?

Venus was a massive comet that was originally captured by
the Planet Jupiter an estimated 600 years prior to approximately 3650B.C.
It was known by many names during the time that it moved in the
plane of the planets, first devastating the water planet Mars. In that
encounter, Venus the huge comet sucked the atmosphere and oceans
from our sister planet...

LOL

I'll repost what I said before when I gave that link:

"I know I don't have to remind you to IGNORE the subjective comments in the article. CONCENTRATE on the physics."

Even though I EXPLICITLY said to CONCENTRATE on the physics and IGNORE the subjective comments, you STILL concentrated on the subjective comments.

Obviously, english isn't your first language so I'll let this one pass

To point you in the right direction, I would recommend you CONCENTRATE, yes, CONCENTRATE on the physics. Here's some examples:

"It was during this time that he had access to NASA data returning daily from the Voyager I and II spacecraft as they traveled by the planets Jupiter, Saturn and beyond (as well as data from many other space craft). It was here he recognized that his theoretical work regarding the electro-dynamic nature of the solar system and universe had its signatures in the new data that was streaming in from the edges of the solar system."

"All standard science continued to look at gravitational explanations for the working of the planets, moons and other objects of the solar system, while Mr. McCanney was applying his electro-dynamic scientific theories"

"His theoretical work additionally stated that comets were not dirty snowballs, but were large electrical “vacuum cleaners” in outer space. The comets were drawing in vast amounts of material by way of powerful electrical forces and there was potential for very large comets capable of disrupting the planetary structure that was already in place. His innovative theories on plasma physics and a new model for fusion in the solar atmosphere provided the basis for the electric fields and plasma discharge phenomena that have become the core elements of his theoretical models of the true nature of the solar system in which we live."

"During this time Mr. McCanney established himself as the originator of the theoretical work regarding the electrical nature of the cosmos, which today is being proven correct on an ongoing basis by space-probes returning data from outer space. Many of his predictions such as x-rays to the sunward side of comet nuclei, that comet nuclei would be found to have no ice or water frozen on their surfaces and that comets interact electrically with the Sun to affect Earth weather, have now been confirmed by direct measurements in 1986, 1996,200 1 and 2002 respectively. Many other more abstract concepts have also been verified."

The above paragraphs ALL have a reference to PHYSICS. I can't be bothered listing more paragraphs.

Do some research on his theory and get back to me.

Like I said, concentrate on the physics.

Cheers

JS

Originally posted by jumpspace

It was here he recognized that his theoretical work regarding the electro-dynamic nature of the solar system and universe had its signatures in the new data that was streaming in from the edges of the solar system."

A topic well worth exploring.

I find more and more that my "education" is extremely lacking when I try to explore ideas like this, and with that in mind, have you found any interesting further exploratory articles on this topic?

so far (mathematically) the size estimates for Elenin are ranging from 4km~110km, and at CURRENT understanding (non electro-dynamic) with the (hopefully accurate) projected path there is NOTHING to worry about except for some issues when we pass through the "tail".

would it be safe to assume that any "electro-dynamic" interaction would seem to be a non issue also, based on past comet interactions (again, Dependant on an accurate size/trajectory estimate)

Originally posted by NyxOne

Originally posted by truthseekr1111

Between the 11th and some other date is not 'exact'.

in quake prediction IT IS.

but still, she didn't say the word "between"… in actuality, she named only 2 DATES; March 11th and March 15th… however even if she gave that timeframe as a specific window for a catastrophic quake to hit, the number probability is considered astronomical for a human to be that accurate.

so you actually still deny she specifically warned a major and catastrophic quake AND earth-shift event would take place on 3/11/11 and its not EXACT?


do you deny that giving a 3 day window for a Great quake, let alone naming an EXACT date it occurs in that 3day window, is a level of accuracy considered to be RARE if not outside of humans to predict and know?

and can you name anyone other than 9nania or sollog that warned of 3/11 being connected to a Great quake?

If 9nania's prediction was no big deal, please show any other prediction or predictor thats been more accurate. Let me see you predict a major quake within a 3 day window let alone name 2 EXACT dates. You nor ANYONE has or could do that more accurately than either 9nania or Sollog.

These hits are far beyond coincidence if you know anything about probability and quake prediction.

It has been estimated by various seismic professors, that the odds of anyone predicting a major quake over 6.5, within 3 days and 250 miles of the event, is about 10,000 to 1 if they choose an earthquake prone area or much higher if they choose an area of the earth not subject to quakes.

And the real odds of anyone giving the exact date when a quake over 7.0 will occur is around 30 to 1.

Yet you claim its no big deal

Originally posted by NyxOne
She didn't even give any reason as to why one would happen,

Since when does the accuracy of a major quake prediction rely on or have anything to do with giving a REASON?

Originally posted by NyxOne
as I recall. She just randomly guessed.

YES, she was GUESSING as to the EVENT being in CALIFORNIA... but also stated it would most likely occur around the P.R.o.F.

SHE WASN'T GUESSING on the DATE....and that FACT alone validates the entire point i'm making.

Originally posted by NyxOne
Oh, and you haven't heard? That failed prediction for a catastrophic, devastating quake in California,

Wrong.

No where was her prediction specific to only California… That was merely ONE of the possible areas around the Pacific RoF she warned this March 11th Quake and Earth Shift would occur.

the FACT one did, validates the prediction.

So please show exactly where she singled out CALIFORNIA as the only location she was talking about for MARCH 11TH. The fact is her primary warning and prediction was simply that there WILL BE a major shift and seismic event on 3//11 or around 3/15 and this event COULD occur in California as one of the areas... which she also explained will again be a critical location around SEPTEMBER to NOVEMBER during two other events she's predicting that will be far worse than the JAPAN disaster based on a similar Elenin-Sun-Earth alignment.

The only FAIL is your interpretation which ignores any context of the prediction which you claim is black and white or nothing else was explained or clarified.

Now as to what I personally believe? well, I think Elenin merely PRECEDES Nibiru (the real concern NASA is covering up and in the SAME elliptical orbit as Nibiru) by several days which will pass us around that time period as one source says 0.423AU in SEPT or 0.15AU in October, making things very bad tectonically for the WEST COAST of NORTH AMERICA if not causing a total planetary shift / rearrangement.. In fact, I think there may be an impact of debris from Elenin and/or this object (Nibiru etc) between Sept and November that will also cause havoc along with these alignments and gravitational effects of the fly-bys that WILL devastate California and the North American Regions causing major territorial changes globally.

If thats not bad enough, i expect an entire collapse of the global economy which IS one of the other big reasons NASA and the government will continue to cover up Elenin and the coming events beginning in September this year through November and up to 2012 if not through to 2013 when the planet will stabilize.

So yes, I'm going on the record right now to say, not only will Nibiru will be seen as a second Sun to EVERYONE on this planet and is nearly 4 times the size of Jupiter, but these objects will cause cataclysmic events/shifts on this planet rearranging the poles for the next 3600 years.

Is this scenario unfathomable, impossible and crazy?

I sure hope so...

Is it another doomsday "prediction" based on hysteria, zero evidence and zero credible warnings?

That has yet to be determined and conclusively debunked.

Originally posted by NyxOne
after which she outright disappeared and hasn't been seen for almost a month?

because no one has "seen" her is another red-herring and has absolutely
nothing to do with the accuracy of her MARCH 11th hit.

so who cares why or if she's "disappeared" ? Her prediction about a quake occurring on or around MARCH 11th was spot on.

Originally posted by NyxOne
To my amusement, she actually said that a 'personal event' happened on the 31st, as if to give her prediction a shred of truth or credibility.

Whatever she "said" about some personal event and the 31st is irrelevant to her primary 3/11 & 3/15th warning/prediction having happened... and i don't see how you can draw any valid or logical correlation.

But again, your arguments logic and validity is only valid when no context is
given. The fact you refuse to use any context of all the statements she's
explained as to what she was predicting and warning of, makes your
entire argument worthless in measuring the accuracy of 9nania's prediction.