Isaiah 9:6

"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The Mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."


When people on the internet make the claim that Jesus's divinity wasn't decided until the Council of Nicea in the 4th century AD. When you hear that bring up verses such as this one, showing how God will rule the Earth as a man. And this man will be called, "The Mighty God", "The everlasting Father".

Names reserved for God, written by one of the greatest OT Jewish prophets.

Not to provoke, but I fail to see how the passage from Isiah proves that Jesus's divinity was decided prior to 4th Century A.D? No where in that verse does name this Jesus. For all we know he could be talking about anyone. Seriously, please explain why this verse MUST be about Jesus and how this is even holds a solid stance in the argument.

Again, not trying to provoke here... just curious.

reply to post by TheSparrowSings


From Psalm 2. It's a prophetic poem that is actually a conversation between the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The Father promised an Earthly kingdom to His Son who will sit upon the throne of David in Jerusalem.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

who told you this verse referred to the guy Jesus?

wasn't his name Immanuel? not Jesus?

Isaiah 7:14 -

" Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel."

why are you listening to Jewish prophets anyway? don't you know you not included?

Sanhedrin 59a

To communicate anything to a Goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly.


Libbre David 37

A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them.

Zohar, Toldoth Noah 63b

When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves.

Sanhedrin 58b
[In other words, if a non-Jew kills a Jew, the non-Jew can be killed. Punching an Israelite is akin to assaulting God. (But killing a non-Jew is NOT like assaulting God.]

If a goy killed a goy or a Jew he is responsible, but if a Jew killed a goy he is not responsible.

Yalkut 245c

Extermination of the Christians is a necessary sacrifice.

Gad. Shas. 2:2

A boy-goy after nine years and one day old, and a girl after three years and one day old, are considered filthy.

Hilkkoth Akum X1

A Jew is forbidden to drink from a glass of wine which a Gentile has touched, because the touch has made the wine unclean.

Schulchan Aruch, Johre Deah, 122



All of these are the reasons why each and every person should DEMAND that all references to the so-called "Ten Commandments" be removed from all public state and governmental places. The first three "commandments" demand that we all bow down to the "god" of the Jews, who apparently cannot run the universe unless consulting with immoral men who think no laws apply to them - or have clever ways around all of the laws. These are the men who have been claiming for far too long that they are channeling "god." This is not a god of peace, love and brotherhood. It is a god of war, suffering, and horror. Reflections of this so-called god can be seen in the "state" of Israel. The Jews might wish to continue hanging on to this channeled god born of their own egos, but the rest of us deserve something far better.

Mary Sparrowdancer

reply to post by NOTurTypical

"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The Mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

Isaiah?? I thought that was written by Handel.

But really, what are you trying to say here. I might be able to understand you better if you used a VERB.

Originally posted by reeferman
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

who told you this verse referred to the guy Jesus?

wasn't his name Immanuel? not Jesus?

Isaiah 7:14 -

" Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel."

why are you listening to Jewish prophets anyway? don't you know you not included?

Sanhedrin 59a

To communicate anything to a Goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly.


Libbre David 37

A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them.

Zohar, Toldoth Noah 63b

When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves.

Sanhedrin 58b
[In other words, if a non-Jew kills a Jew, the non-Jew can be killed. Punching an Israelite is akin to assaulting God. (But killing a non-Jew is NOT like assaulting God.]

If a goy killed a goy or a Jew he is responsible, but if a Jew killed a goy he is not responsible.

Yalkut 245c

Extermination of the Christians is a necessary sacrifice.

Gad. Shas. 2:2

A boy-goy after nine years and one day old, and a girl after three years and one day old, are considered filthy.

Hilkkoth Akum X1

A Jew is forbidden to drink from a glass of wine which a Gentile has touched, because the touch has made the wine unclean.

Schulchan Aruch, Johre Deah, 122



All of these are the reasons why each and every person should DEMAND that all references to the so-called "Ten Commandments" be removed from all public state and governmental places. The first three "commandments" demand that we all bow down to the "god" of the Jews, who apparently cannot run the universe unless consulting with immoral men who think no laws apply to them - or have clever ways around all of the laws. These are the men who have been claiming for far too long that they are channeling "god." This is not a god of peace, love and brotherhood. It is a god of war, suffering, and horror. Reflections of this so-called god can be seen in the "state" of Israel. The Jews might wish to continue hanging on to this channeled god born of their own egos, but the rest of us deserve something far better.

Mary Sparrowdancer

Interesting..

Are you jewish?

reply to post by Akragon


nope..

just did 5 years of Christian School ...

then married into a jewish family for about a decade..

and personal research..

reply to post by reeferman


Immanuel is a title, not a proper name. But glad you brought the verse up from Gabriel. What does "Immanuel" mean?

Also, when the things Jesus promised come to pass and a person receives the baptism of the Holy Spirit, that's the whole divinity package living inside you.

Just as Jesus came and lived inside the prophets of old, he can now do it on a much grander scale, through his life, death and ressurection. He is the Son of Man, he is the child born to us and in us. Called Immanuel because God is now tabernacling within us.

Jews rejecting Jesus is part of the overall plan, so that us Gentiles have a chance to know and love him. We wait patiently as the plan unfolds and the full number of Gentiles, who receive the fullness of his Spirit come in.

Originally posted by TheSparrowSings
Not to provoke, but I fail to see how the passage from Isiah proves that Jesus's divinity was decided prior to 4th Century A.D? No where in that verse does name this Jesus. For all we know he could be talking about anyone. Seriously, please explain why this verse MUST be about Jesus and how this is even holds a solid stance in the argument.

Because there is historical evidence that many of the characteristics that we apply to Jesus today were being applied in the 1st Century. So there is historical continuity that some Jewish eyewitnesses and contemporaries viewed Jesus as the fulfillment of the prophecy in Isaiah. So 4th Century declarations about Jesus that are consistent with the prophecy most likely are the result of tradition that stems from the 1st Century Jewish Christians, rather than a fabrication of Roman Gentiles.

There is actually a pretty good argument to be made that ANYTHING which ties Jesus to the Jews would have to have come out of an earlier observation, as by the 3rd Century, being a Jewish Christian was considered to be a heresy -- so if Jesus had been a fabrication of the Roman Empire, he would likely have been depicted as not being Jewish (or not being much of one, at any rate.)