▼Canada-U.S. Deep Integration Agenda Continues Unabated

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
It is even documented that US military brass met up with our military brass years ago to discuss our middle east strategy to secure oil reserves and to promote the public image of the "war on terrorism".

Source?

If we don't help the Americans secure future fuel prospects, then at first, they will come for us looking for more of our oil to import. They will send more oil companies up here to extract more of our resources, and will probably try to buy out more of our own oil companies. If for some reason we refuse, then it would probably result in armed conflict if the US sees no other options to secure resources from third world nations (like if there is some major anti-US movement throughout Africa, South America, and the Middle East).

You are still not making sense. Canada is in the business of selling crude to the states. It is in Canada's interest to continue to sell crude to the States (and china and several other places). You have provided no sensible reason why canada would want to ensure that the US was getting their oil from somewhere else.

Your theory seems to be that Canada wants to ensure that other countries sell their oil, too, so that they can not sell their own. You would have to be the worst business man ever.

reply to post by incrediblelousminds


He is not going to make sense because everything to him is an American or Israeli plot.

I give up arguing with him on this one. After stating he would vote for the socialist tax and spend NDP in the coming election, that pretty muc said it all. In this mornings paper they were showing a 3% popularity rating. He is deeply out of touch with Canadian politics and would gladly isolate Canada from our allies. Isolationism is never the answer.

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Whatever i had to agree with two posters there. The US gets 5% of oil in Libya. The rest of it goes to Europe where it sells it. We get most of the oil from Canada, Nigeria, and Saudi Arabia. That's why you just here bashing the US because everything seem to be our fault. Do some research about it. Everything about you for conspiracy theories like you is that we go into despite the fact it was UN-approved people will yell "oil" because it what sells the newspapers. I mean come on what is the UN for anyways? That's fine, i don't like them anyways. We also get little oil from Iraq and most of it goes to China and Russia. That's what i told you to get your facts straight before you open your mouth. We also already helping the Libyan Rebels and we hand over the operations to our Europeans allies instead of the US.

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The Security and Prosperity Partnership, the North American Union - the name keeps changing; the (corporate) agenda does not.

Good catch. S&F&

Originally posted by incrediblelousminds

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
It is even documented that US military brass met up with our military brass years ago to discuss our middle east strategy to secure oil reserves and to promote the public image of the "war on terrorism".

Source?

Linda McQuaig's "Holding the Bully's Coat: Canada and the US Empire"

You are still not making sense. Canada is in the business of selling crude to the states. It is in Canada's interest to continue to sell crude to the States (and china and several other places). You have provided no sensible reason why canada would want to ensure that the US was getting their oil from somewhere else.

Your theory seems to be that Canada wants to ensure that other countries sell their oil, too, so that they can not sell their own. You would have to be the worst business man ever.

You're not getting it at all.

Under NAFTA, we have to sell our oil to the US at the same rates we sell to our own citizens. We don't make profit from selling to the US, and this is the entire point of the NAFTA energy section: the US wants Canada to be a secure and compliant energy resource.

If you look at the tar sands, foreign companies are raping the oil out of the land. Royalties are much lower for buchimen than for crude oil, and that is set as an incentive to allow these companies to come in and develop the land.

Unfortunately, all they've done was think about short-term profits and they never gave much thought into the environmental hazards. Hell, they didn't even line the toiling ponds with protective material. The Athabasca River is now polluted with these byproducts and serious health problems have been seen appearing with local populations, specifically Fort Chipweyan.

nightbringr-
He is not going to make sense because everything to him is an American or Israeli plot.

I don't know where you get your academic training on this, but this is exactly what we are taught in my environmentally-aware university because it is the reality of the situation.

I give up arguing with him on this one. After stating he would vote for the socialist tax and spend NDP in the coming election, that pretty muc said it all. In this mornings paper they were showing a 3% popularity rating. He is deeply out of touch with Canadian politics and would gladly isolate Canada from our allies. Isolationism is never the answer.

That is incredibly ignorant of you.

For one, I never said I was voting NDP.

"Elections don't matter; it's the people who count the votes that matter" -- Josef Stalin

Secondly, I don't know where you came up with this idea of "isolationism", perhaps you're the one who is in deep with American and Israeli plots.

I am a nationalist, and I believe we should nationalize all of our resources and most, if not all, of government services so we don't have useless private interests screwing everything up for us. We now see failures in our national health system because we've allowed private clinics to spread and bugger it all up since privatization reforms from the early 90s.

And if you don't believe nationalism doesn't work, then I guess you don't pay much attention to the time when Trudeau brought back prosperity to Canada for two decades after Canada was 80%+ foreign owned in the 70s. Nationalism means that us, the Canadian public, controls our own resources and services; it has nothing to do with isolationism, aside from blocking foreign parasites from exploiting our own resources and services.

Paulioetc15-
Everything about you for conspiracy theories like you is that we go into despite the fact it was UN-approved

The UN approved bombing Libya, killing civilians, training "rebels" at CIA camps, and regime change? Because that's what the coalition is doing there. There's even talk of coalition boots on the ground soon, as if it wasn't obvious from the beginning.