prostitution should be legalized

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Back in 2002 I lived in D.C. and it was legal then. Today I do not know, however it seems strange that it would be legal there at all.

Originally posted by Agarta
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I think you have a point as exaggerated as it MAY be. In my mind I see the answer thusly, Just as we have 5 star restaurants we also have fast food. They both feed you but the quality is vastly different. I know a few "Escorts" that charge $1000/ night and I have met women that give a BJ for $5 quality goes down but is affordable.

Well. With Mcdonalds there are side effects no matter what you eat With a 5 star bistro restaurant and the Chef, there are side effects but depends what you eat as the menu can be customized unlike a fast food joint

With $5 services, there are several side effects (diseases) as who in the right mind might provide the service for that amount in this economy? You can expect the low quality of service provider with perhaps falsified records to avoid paying health inspection fee?

With a$1000 service provider, chances are that the budget will allow the individual to spend on business expenses

Originally posted by Agarta
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I do understand your point. I do not agree because I believe in freedom. You see there are up to 2000 laws passed per month(guessing an average)nation wide, and anyone who is not sovereign is watching their freedom dwindle to dictatorship. Government regulation is no better than dictatorship. I believe in Freedom which is what this country started with. It is people that do not sluff off the big brother attitude that allow this to continue. The reason that this is happening is because people refuse to respect others and take responsibility for their own actions.

Its understandable where you're coming from too. At times it does feel like party based dictatorship not necessarily an individual like Gaddafi or Saddam Hussein. However what exactly is freedom? I believe in freedom too. But somethings are better governed by the Government and not by people since the process itself requires hiearchy. The organized crimes and mobs are good at pimping and thus their industry is controlled. If you leave it upto the individual pimps to manage their own brothels, i'm sure there will be more crimes. However this also brings up the point that if we legalize the industry does that make the Government the big pimp?

Originally posted by hp1229

Originally posted by Agarta
reply to post by hp1229

 

I think you have a point as exaggerated as it MAY be. In my mind I see the answer thusly, Just as we have 5 star restaurants we also have fast food. They both feed you but the quality is vastly different. I know a few "Escorts" that charge $1000/ night and I have met women that give a BJ for $5 quality goes down but is affordable.

Well. With Mcdonalds there are side effects no matter what you eat

With a 5 star bistro restaurant and the Chef, there are side effects but depends what you eat as the menu can be customized unlike a fast food joint

With $5 services, there are several side effects (diseases) as who in the right mind might provide the service for that amount in this economy?

You can expect the low quality of service provider with perhaps falsified records to avoid paying health inspection fee?

With a$1000 service provider, chances are that the budget will allow the individual to spend on business expenses

you are absolutely correct McDonalds SUX.

As for the Quality versus Cost I think you are correct as well. $5 just shows a lack of self worth. If its done for free in a normal sexual relationship and $20+ in the world of business I would not at all consider it a discount

Getting back to the topic, why do you think people are so uptight about Sex? I know sex is natural, beautiful and part of human nature just like other behaviours.



Thanks for the links I did not say that I was though lol.

I think alot of religions have a base tendency to not be able to adapt and re-evaulate thier beliefs. And, not talking about God or anything else specific, just saying in general. The religious books even though full of alot of good verses and wisdom that are still applicable in life, are also full of contradictions and loaded with alot of stuff that are no longer relevant to the current state of humanity. They were written for a different time. I mean, there are some good things in them but they are also kinda like a wheel of swiss cheese in that there are alot of holes.

Originally posted by hp1229
Originally posted by Agarta
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Its understandable where you're coming from too. At times it does feel like party based dictatorship not necessarily an individual like Gaddafi or Saddam Hussein. However what exactly is freedom? I believe in freedom too. But somethings are better governed by the Government and not by people since the process itself requires hiearchy. The organized crimes and mobs are good at pimping and thus their industry is controlled. If you leave it upto the individual pimps to manage their own brothels, i'm sure there will be more crimes. However this also brings up the point that if we legalize the industry does that make the Government the big pimp?

You're right it is better, right now, that someone regulate(In my opinion, not necessarily the gov.) because in todays world people cant take responsibility for their own actions and act responsibly toward others, they would rather take the easy way out even if it is illegal/immoral.

Edit to say: Isn't the government the big pimp already?

Its understandable where you're coming from too. At times it does feel like party based dictatorship not necessarily an individual like Gaddafi or Saddam Hussein. However what exactly is freedom? I believe in freedom too. But somethings are better governed by the Government and not by people since the process itself requires hiearchy. The organized crimes and mobs are good at pimping and thus their industry is controlled. If you leave it upto the individual pimps to manage their own brothels, i'm sure there will be more crimes. However this also brings up the point that if we legalize the industry does that make the Government the big pimp?

DO you refute the fact that if it was legalized and regulated that the woman that engage in prostitution would not be in a safer working environment with many more rights than they now have (read as none)?

I would rather governement be the pimp then unscrupulous individuals that get them hooked on drugs to control them from leaving of thier own accord, that seek out young runaways and force them into it with no cares as to whether or not they are safe. At least with the government doing it, for the women it would be clean, safe, and they would have rights. They would also have the freedom of choice to do it or to leave the business to pursue other career choices at any time they so choose.


Off topic I wish I would learn to use the quoting feature better in some of my replies I know it may make some of what I reply to hard to see....for that I am sorry.

Originally posted by Agarta
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I believe that our(majority) sexual beliefs are based on the Puritan thought pattern. For some reason the retentiveness remained. As I spent a good amount of time in Europe I realize that sexuality is far more free than it is in the U.S.

I also agree that Puritan thought pattern is a result of their kingdom that existed and covered a big chunk of the continents around the world. Agree that parts of Europe is very open about Sex.

However I think US is unique in its own ways and culture since it is a melting pot with several nationalities under 1 nation. Moreoever to experiment and observe changes in a system is lot easier in European countries since majority of them are very small in size both geographically and population. Thus the government or society by itself has a better control of the consequences if things go wrong or if things workout for good for passing a law such as legalized prostitution.

Just imagine making a simple change in policy in the US as a country? If one starts from NYC, it has to end in LA and in between if it is a Federal Law. If it is a state law, then other states might compete if there are incentives based on the law (prostitution) which I highly doubt that the Federal Government might give a particular state for legalizing it. Sure it will create several jobs in DC to manage the DLP (Department of Legalized Prostitution) or DP (Department of Pimps) My point is that to manage and administer and address the legal aspects of prostitution by few states of the entire nation will be a nightmare both logicstically and from a health care perspective. Not to mention unforeseen side effects that we're all too well familiar with.

Originally posted by Darkphoenix77
Its understandable where you're coming from too. At times it does feel like party based dictatorship not necessarily an individual like Gaddafi or Saddam Hussein. However what exactly is freedom? I believe in freedom too. But somethings are better governed by the Government and not by people since the process itself requires hiearchy. The organized crimes and mobs are good at pimping and thus their industry is controlled. If you leave it upto the individual pimps to manage their own brothels, i'm sure there will be more crimes. However this also brings up the point that if we legalize the industry does that make the Government the big pimp?

DO you refute the fact that if it was legalized and regulated that the woman that engage in prostitution would not be in a safer working environment with many more rights than they now have (read as none)?

I would rather governement be the pimp then unscrupulous individuals that get them hooked on drugs to control them from leaving of thier own accord, that seek out young runaways and force them into it with no cares as to whether or not they are safe. At least with the government doing it, for the women it would be clea, safe, and they would have rights. They would also have the freedom of choice to do it or to leave the business to pursue other career choices at any time they so choose.

Unfortunatly I think that the illegal pimps would not own brothels I think they would remain unregulated and illegal to pick up the slack of those that can't be seen in a brothel or cant afford it. They are too used to keeping the profits to themselves. This is the way of the society we live in.

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Originally posted by hp1229

Originally posted by Agarta
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I believe that our(majority) sexual beliefs are based on the Puritan thought pattern. For some reason the retentiveness remained. As I spent a good amount of time in Europe I realize that sexuality is far more free than it is in the U.S.

I also agree that Puritan thought pattern is a result of their kingdom that existed and covered a big chunk of the continents around the world. Agree that parts of Europe is very open about Sex.

However I think US is unique in its own ways and culture since it is a melting pot with several nationalities under 1 nation. Moreoever to experiment and observe changes in a system is lot easier in European countries since majority of them are very small in size both geographically and population. Thus the government or society by itself has a better control of the consequences if things go wrong or if things workout for good for passing a law such as legalized prostitution.

Just imagine making a simple change in policy in the US as a country? If one starts from NYC, it has to end in LA and in between if it is a Federal Law. If it is a state law, then other states might compete if there are incentives based on the law (prostitution) which I highly doubt that the Federal Government might give a particular state for legalizing it. Sure it will create several jobs in DC to manage the DLP (Department of Legalized Prostitution)

My point is that to manage and administer and address the legal aspects of prostitution by few states of the entire nation will be a nightmare both logicstically and from a health care perspective. Not to mention unforeseen side effects that we're all too well familiar with.

Well I think it would be better as state laws....the federal government sticks it's nose into too many things already. So....because it may very well improve things for something that is going to happen regardless of whether it is legal or not we should not do it because it may cause some paperwork issues?? really?

Originally posted by Darkphoenix77

Thanks for the links I did not say that I was though lol.

I think alot of religions have a base tendency to not be able to adapt and re-evaulate thier beliefs. And, not talking about God or anything else specific, just saying in general. The religious books even though full of alot of good verses and wisdom that are still applicable in life, are also full of contradictions and loaded with alot of stuff that are no longer relevant to the current state of humanity. They were written for a different time. I mean, there are some good things in them but they are also kinda like a wheel of swiss cheese in that there are alot of holes.

True but there are only finite ways that a human nature can be described

True that religious books are partially impracticle but Kamasutra is not a religious book FYI Not sure if you were referring to it as one.

Religion is a way of life. The rules will be applicable if you live the life the religious way (I certainly dont)

Religious books I agree are loaded with contradictions and irrelevant information which does not apply to current state of Humanity. This is where the topic can be taken into a whole new massive dimension but I'll stay away from it

Originally posted by hp1229

Originally posted by Darkphoenix77
Getting back to the topic, why do you think people are so uptight about Sex? I know sex is natural, beautiful and part of human nature just like other behaviours.

Thanks for the links I did not say that I was though lol.

I think alot of religions have a base tendency to not be able to adapt and re-evaulate thier beliefs. And, not talking about God or anything else specific, just saying in general. The religious books even though full of alot of good verses and wisdom that are still applicable in life, are also full of contradictions and loaded with alot of stuff that are no longer relevant to the current state of humanity. They were written for a different time. I mean, there are some good things in them but they are also kinda like a wheel of swiss cheese in that there are alot of holes.

True but there are only finite ways that a human nature can be described

True that religious books are partially impracticle but Kamasutra is not a religious book FYI Not sure if you were referring to it as one.

Religion is a way of life. The rules will be applicable if you live the life the religious way (I certainly dont)

Religious books I agree are loaded with contradictions and irrelevant information which does not apply to current state of Humanity. This is where the topic can be taken into a whole new massive dimension but I'll stay away from it

No...was not referring to kamasutra lol I meant the books of organized religion. And I agree, all religious books need an overhall, but I am not the one to take on that massive undertaking, just saying that they do.

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I also agree that Puritan thought pattern is a result of their kingdom that existed and covered a big chunk of the continents around the world. Agree that parts of Europe is very open about Sex.

However I think US is unique in its own ways and culture since it is a melting pot with several nationalities under 1 nation. Moreoever to experiment and observe changes in a system is lot easier in European countries since majority of them are very small in size both geographically and population. Thus the government or society by itself has a better control of the consequences if things go wrong or if things workout for good for passing a law such as legalized prostitution.

Very good and viable point.

Just imagine making a simple change in policy in the US as a country? If one starts from NYC, it has to end in LA and in between if it is a Federal Law. If it is a state law, then other states might compete if there are incentives based on the law (prostitution) which I highly doubt that the Federal Government might give a particular state for legalizing it. Sure it will create several jobs in DC to manage the DLP (Department of Legalized Prostitution) My point is that to manage and administer and address the legal aspects of prostitution by few states of the entire nation will be a nightmare both logicstically and from a health care perspective. Not to mention unforeseen side effects that we're all too well familiar with.

I think because Nevada has had it legal for so long they might just adapt the same regulations then tweek as needed for that specific state and its majority values.

Originally posted by Darkphoenix77

DO you refute the fact that if it was legalized and regulated that the woman that engage in prostitution would not be in a safer working environment with many more rights than they now have (read as none)?

I agree that it will be better for legalized one's to voice their concerns vs the illegal ones.

I would rather governement be the pimp then unscrupulous individuals that get them hooked on drugs to control them from leaving of thier own accord, that seek out young runaways and force them into it with no cares as to whether or not they are safe. At least with the government doing it, for the women it would be clean, safe, and they would have rights. They would also have the freedom of choice to do it or to leave the business to pursue other career choices at any time they so choose.

Its a short term option for poor women but definitely not a long term solution. This fix or abolishment of the profession is not as easy to implement as the changes will have to be ground up from the belief system to life style changes. How was Slavery abolished? It took a while but it was abolished in the end.

Off topic I wish I would learn to use the quoting feature better in some of my replies I know it may make some of what I reply to hard to see....for that I am sorry.

Simple. There has to be a [ and ] symbol with the word 'quote' in it at the beginning of the sentence and a [ and ] with '/quote' at the end of the sentence. That will put anything you type in between in quotes. I did the same with your responses and then typed my responses so that your comments are in the quotes and mine are outside.

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Religion is a way of life. The rules will be applicable if you live the life the religious way (I certainly dont)

IMO Religion is not a way of life it is a governmental institution(not Government but Controlling body) Spirituality is a way of life. Again IMO.

Originally posted by Agarta

Originally posted by hp1229
Originally posted by Agarta
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Edit to say: Isn't the government the big pimp already?

edit on 30-3-2011 by Agarta because: (no reason given)

edit on 30-3-2011 by Agarta because: (no reason given)

I would definitely say the Grand Master but not the Big Pimp

Originally posted by Darkphoenix77
Originally posted by hp1229
Originally posted by Darkphoenix77

And I agree, all religious books need an overhall, but I am not the one to take on that massive undertaking, just saying that they do.

Well some but definitely not all. Its the stupid variants that people publish out in the market that creates the unique yet diverse understanding of the simplest of the explanations about the Human Nature and Humanity

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How was Slavery abolished? It took a while but it was abolished in the end.

Honestly, I think slavery was never abolished. I think It simply has a new face. Companies expect you to do what they say legal or not without question. They expect you to stay all hours and they are more important than family. And because companies get away with it Government has taken this view as well.

Originally posted by Agarta
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Religion is a way of life. The rules will be applicable if you live the life the religious way (I certainly dont)

IMO Religion is not a way of life it is a governmental institution(not Government but Controlling body) Spirituality is a way of life. Again IMO.

Well.
Does vatican have any influence on the Government ?

Thought you guys might be interested; I spoke to a few people closely related to the industry and it seems like the big push for "working" women is to see the practice decriminalized rather than made legal. For them if it was legalized, taxed, regulated the common belief is it would indeed lead to a brothel only club as operating costs would presumably be too high for the women who want to work independently without the glorified "pimp" of a brothel owner running their lives.

Interesting perspective I hadn't considered. I didn't have the heart to tell them nothing like that would ever happen because it doesn't equate to revenue for the state and in this day in age our corrupt governments will not allow anything that doesn't line their coffers...

Almost everything else I was told was already said earlier in this thread.

See I wanted to help out so much I dusted off y old "Confidential" phone book.