prostitution should be legalized

enough is enough. if you guys want to flirt, take it private but, please, stick to the topic if public.

Originally posted by hp1229

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by hp1229

 

I have been here through all the pages, I can't think of any that don't fall under them catagories of fail.

In all these pages there has yet to be one single factual based argument against.

In all these pages there has yet to be one single factual based arguement from you too

1)Safety
2)Legal recourse
3)regulation
4)tax revenue
5)lowering of numbers of children involved
6)Personal rights
7)cleanliness


These are all FACTS that i have long since presented here. Nice try though.

Really guys? We're arguing over moot / mute now?

I think this is an important topic and we still have quite a few facts going unanswered and perspectives that can definitely be expanded upon. If we're not careful some mod isgoing to decide this thread has devolved into mindless bickering and get closed down.

So lets review:

Do we have any figures or facts on how legal prostitution has effected the counties in Nevada where it is legal. We have to use these as the model because this is what we are talking about. Please do not give statistics from some small country in Asia with completely different legal and social structures. It would be a poor comparison. Also I don't think Amsterdam would be a good comparison because it is also a completely different culture and the red light district there is completely different than it would look if legalized in the US judging by where it is legal in the US.

So looking at legal prostitution in the US I know there is a very low incidence of STD transmission and a remarkably high level of college graduates working in the profession (not as much as say the legal profession but higher than expected). I can't get hard facts as I'm at work and am limiting my time here to when I'm waiting for reports to run. But I have seen them and would appreciate a link.

Also I should point out that psychological ramifications are mostly if not completely reliant upon how society views the activity. If we are arguing that society should be okay with it many of they psychological ramifications would go away and it is a false argument.

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by hp1229

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by hp1229

 

I have been here through all the pages, I can't think of any that don't fall under them catagories of fail.

In all these pages there has yet to be one single factual based argument against.

In all these pages there has yet to be one single factual based arguement from you too

1)Safety
2)Legal recourse
3)regulation
4)tax revenue
5)lowering of numbers of children involved
6)Personal rights
7)cleanliness


These are all FACTS that i have long since presented here. Nice try though.

They are not facts that shows that legal prostitution will work? They're mere points for the politicians

Another pro argument:

"It is estimated that if prostitution were legalized in the United States, the rape rate would decrease by roughly 25% for a decrease of approximately 25,000 rapes per year...."

Kirby R. Cundiff, PhD Associate Professor of Finance at Northeastern State University "Prostitution and Sex Crimes" Apr. 8, 2004

reply to post by hp1229


6 of the 7 really are facts. Lowering the number of children involved is speculation. (I agree but it is still speculative)

IF you disagree with them as being facts say why and don't simply refute. All 6 points have been proven to anyone's satisfaction assuming the Nevada model.

Originally posted by captaintyinknots
Another pro argument:

"It is estimated that if prostitution were legalized in the United States, the rape rate would decrease by roughly 25% for a decrease of approximately 25,000 rapes per year...."

Kirby R. Cundiff, PhD Associate Professor of Finance at Northeastern State University "Prostitution and Sex Crimes" Apr. 8, 2004

Just to pint out this is also speculation. By a guy who is qualified to speculate but still speculation.

I think it is true though. Do we have rape numbers in Nevada per capita as compared to the rest of the US?

Originally posted by hp1229

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by hp1229

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by hp1229

 

I have been here through all the pages, I can't think of any that don't fall under them catagories of fail.

In all these pages there has yet to be one single factual based argument against.

In all these pages there has yet to be one single factual based arguement from you too

1)Safety
2)Legal recourse
3)regulation
4)tax revenue
5)lowering of numbers of children involved
6)Personal rights
7)cleanliness


These are all FACTS that i have long since presented here. Nice try though.

They are not facts that shows that legal prostitution will work? They're mere points for the politicians

This is what I am talking about with your deflections. You flat out refuse to touch the subject matter.

1) safety-FACT. All prostitution would take place in a controlled environment, upping the safety.
2)Legal Recourse. FACT-If a prostitute is abused right now, she cannot go to the cops. If it is legal, she has legal recourse in the event of soemthing bad happening.
3)Regulations-FACT-When regulated, STD tests, cleanliness inspections etc are involved.
4)Tax Revenue-this ones pretty obvious
5)Children-FACT-with more oversight, less illegal trade happens.
6)Prsonal rights-ill leave that one out as i dont want this to devolve into an abortion debate
7)Cleanliness-FACT-with regulation comes guidelines on protection and cleanliness.

Melissa Farley, PhD, Founding Director of the Prostitution Research and Education, in the Oct. 2004 journal Violence Against Women article "Bad for the Body, Bad for the Heart," wrote:
"Legal sex businesses provide locations where sexual harassment, sexual exploitation, and violence against women are perpetrated with impunity. State-sponsored prostitution endangers all women and children in that acts of sexual predation are normalized..."


LINK

Originally posted by Jinglelord

Originally posted by captaintyinknots
Another pro argument:

"It is estimated that if prostitution were legalized in the United States, the rape rate would decrease by roughly 25% for a decrease of approximately 25,000 rapes per year...."

Kirby R. Cundiff, PhD Associate Professor of Finance at Northeastern State University "Prostitution and Sex Crimes" Apr. 8, 2004

Just to pint out this is also speculation. By a guy who is qualified to speculate but still speculation.

I think it is true though. Do we have rape numbers in Nevada per capita as compared to the rest of the US?

Absolutely, and I made sure to take a quote that used the term 'estimated' for that reason

I dont have them at hand but I will see what i can find-I know that stats for the Netherlands have been posted in this thread a couple of times, and they support this estimation.

Originally posted by hp1229
Melissa Farley, PhD, Founding Director of the Prostitution Research and Education, in the Oct. 2004 journal Violence Against Women article "Bad for the Body, Bad for the Heart," wrote:
"Legal sex businesses provide locations where sexual harassment, sexual exploitation, and violence against women are perpetrated with impunity. State-sponsored prostitution endangers all women and children in that acts of sexual predation are normalized..."


LINK

Please explain how someone who pays for sex is the same as a sexual predator...

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by hp1229

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by hp1229

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by hp1229

 

I have been here through all the pages, I can't think of any that don't fall under them catagories of fail.

In all these pages there has yet to be one single factual based argument against.

In all these pages there has yet to be one single factual based arguement from you too

1)Safety
2)Legal recourse
3)regulation
4)tax revenue
5)lowering of numbers of children involved
6)Personal rights
7)cleanliness


These are all FACTS that i have long since presented here. Nice try though.

They are not facts that shows that legal prostitution will work? They're mere points for the politicians

This is what I am talking about with your deflections. You flat out refuse to touch the subject matter.

1) safety-FACT. All prostitution would take place in a controlled environment, upping the safety.
2)Legal Recourse. FACT-If a prostitute is abused right now, she cannot go to the cops. If it is legal, she has legal recourse in the event of soemthing bad happening.
3)Regulations-FACT-When regulated, STD tests, cleanliness inspections etc are involved.
4)Tax Revenue-this ones pretty obvious
5)Children-FACT-with more oversight, less illegal trade happens.
6)Prsonal rights-ill leave that one out as i dont want this to devolve into an abortion debate
7)Cleanliness-FACT-with regulation comes guidelines on protection and cleanliness.

Well dont I have a right to comment on a posting?
Good or Bad ? If I agree or disagree?

I just posted a link where there are references to others who think it will not help. I hope you saw the post.

Originally posted by hp1229


Well dont I have a right to comment on a posting?
Good or Bad ? If I agree or disagree?

I just posted a link where there are references to others who think it will not help. I hope you saw the post.

Sure, you have a right to do whatever you want. It is a deflection, however, to ignore the facts off hand and not comment on them one bit when YOU are the one who challenges them.

I did look at it, I hope you saw my follow up question.

reply to post by captaintyinknots


Well some people here think I am an evil sexual predator for "taking advantage" of my friends with benefits and not marrying or dating them....

reply to post by captaintyinknots


Hey I'm not faulting you and this was definitely not outrageous as many of the con claims read like a sermon rather than fact this reads like someone who is a scientist and cares about reality wrote it.

The reason I'm nagging for facts is that I'm neutered at this point and can't get them and I know they are there!

Like all social issues this is incredibly complex and there are a billion variables. This by the way is why you will never meet a sane Anthropologist or Sociologist and most definitely never even hear of a sane psychologist.

Originally posted by Jinglelord
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

Hey I'm not faulting you and this was definitely not outrageous as many of the con claims read like a sermon rather than fact this reads like someone who is a scientist and cares about reality wrote it.

The reason I'm nagging for facts is that I'm neutered at this point and can't get them and I know they are there!

Like all social issues this is incredibly complex and there are a billion variables. This by the way is why you will never meet a sane Anthropologist or Sociologist and most definitely never even hear of a sane psychologist.

Absolutely, and I hope I didnt come off as being snotty (i have the flu right now, and well, I feel kind of crummy =) )

Facts are extremely important in a case like this, because all these topic usually do is devolve to emotional charged rhetoric with nothing backing it up.

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

Well some people here think I am an evil sexual predator for "taking advantage" of my friends with benefits and not marrying or dating them....

Eh, me too, probably, as I have been with someone for 6 years and have absolutely no intention on getting married.

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by hp1229
Melissa Farley, PhD, Founding Director of the Prostitution Research and Education, in the Oct. 2004 journal Violence Against Women article "Bad for the Body, Bad for the Heart," wrote:
"Legal sex businesses provide locations where sexual harassment, sexual exploitation, and violence against women are perpetrated with impunity. State-sponsored prostitution endangers all women and children in that acts of sexual predation are normalized..."


LINK

Please explain how someone who pays for sex is the same as a sexual predator...

I dont believe and buy everything this individual has to quote but from the quotation, she indicates that 'acts of sexual predation are normalized" by which I can only speculate that 'sexual harassment' can be normalized since now its paid for and there will not be any phone calls or complaints for 'sexual harassment' going out from a brothel house to a local cop. Raping is also sexual predation. Once a person pays for it, how can a prostitute file complaint against a customer if he decides to lets say have 'anal sex' even while the prostitute refuses? The end verdict will be 'The customer paid for it". Then the question might arise if the 'anal sex' did take place or not at work place?
Once again the above is a speculative scenario based on the arguement. But where does one draw the line as per rules of 'prostitution' ? Do you think the government will come up with a PSD (Prostitution Security Department) ? similar to DHS ?

Originally posted by hp1229

(1)Do you like the Government and the Law? (2) But you continue to live under the system right? (3)What happened to your individual liberty and rights? (4)By your definition, anyone can live any which way they chose since they have Individual Rights. (5) If a person walks buck naked on the streets, it should not be offensive then correct?(6) If a person screws around openly on the streets in front of a school it should not be a crime or nobody should tell them what to do or control as its the Individual Rights?

Hi how are you? If you will notice I have added numbers to your post so that I may answer your questions in order, I hope you don't mind.

(1) No. I love my country, but I despise the fact that our government has become a corporation.
(2) No. I am a sovereign Individual. I followed the steps to remove myself from Statute Law(Maritime Law) and I only follow Constitutional Law(Law of the Land)
(3) I gained them back. I am now a Human being not a business.
(4) That is correct. By the Constitution we have the right to do as we please as long as we do not hurt others or their property. This includes animals. It is about being respectful and taking responsibility for you own actions.
(5)No. Yes we have the right to, but it violates other peoples right to not have to see it. Nudity (although shunned as a sexual thing, it is not, it is a natural thing) should be done out of the public sight out of Respect for your fellow man.
(6)See #5. Disrespect is a violation of others rights.

I hope I have addressed your question to your satisfaction. If not ask me to clarify.

Agarta