Sex Trafficking Ring Leader Sentenced to 40 Years in Prison

reply to post by TKDRL

First time I heard of it. Wonder who the girl is... Like a friend's daughter or what? In most cases it is aunts uncles and close family friends that get busted.

AMEN to that.

Anyone with a young daughter (or son) should be very careful of leaving her/him with male friends or relatives especially if there is any change in the child's behavior towards that adult.

I speak from experience. Luckily Mom was very alert and saw the problem before it became serious.

As SKL says TRUST NO ONE!

reply to post by Jinglelord

....If you want to solve the problem attack the root cause.....

The root cause is the ultra wealthy elite who view the rest of us as sub-human play toys.

They destroyed our culture and the culture of other nations and they have done so on purpose. The idea is to smash nations and national sovereignty so the world can be rebuilt into the form they wish.

They have made it very clear that that is their goal and most of the ills of the world to day can be laid at their feet.

They are not capitalists but Fabian Socialists among others despite the propaganda they are busy putting out.

ATS thread: www.abovetopsecret.com...

SKL,


This is a VERY touchy topic, but I fell I must give my full opinion regardless of the potential repercussions.

I have always been attracted to younger women. When I was a teenager I was attracted to girls two to three years younger. I'm now 28 and am dating a 21 year old.

So, in part I have troubles with the black and white definitions of what constitute a pedophile. According to the state when I was 17 and dating a 15 year old...I was of a criminal mindset that could have been prosecuted and incarcerated. I think that's complete bs....

As far as what is described in the OP, I'm quite disgusted, although honestly not surprised. It seems that those who would go to such an extreme are quite beyond rehabilitation. I question what good would come from incarceration. I agree with other people who say that torturing these people simply makes you a hypocrite. If suffering is what we mean to quell, then we must not inflict it as punishment.

Personally, I feel that those who would act on these desires are a disgrace to humanity, and should be put to sleep....indefinitely. Just give them a sedative, and then chemically off them. It's the most ethical approach I can come up with.

reply to post by crimvelvet


I suspect that this might very well be the root cause as well. Which furthers my point... What good does it do us to focus our loathing on the unwitting pawn of their agenda?

As long as we continue our outrage at the symptoms we will never cure the disease...

reply to post by unityemissions


Instead of a lethal dose of chemicals wouldn't it be better instead take a criminal such as this and put them under permanent watch? They can be made to work a job and pay for their watchers.

I am not a fan of a Big Brother type solution but I do think it is preferable than the other options which are taking a life or permanent reliance on society to live locked inside of a federal brick house.

Perhaps if he were allowed / required to work and maybe even live a life and pay his taxes part of his income could go towards any required help to reverse some of the pain he caused.

I suspect that if this person was importing substances illegally that ruin family's and destroy just as many children's lives if not more the emotional response wouldn't be the same. And when the big time H runner wound up in prison he would be a king.

A world where laws are decided on emotion is just as much of a travesty as any tyranny can be.

reply to post by Jinglelord

I suspect that this might very well be the root cause as well. Which furthers my point... What good does it do us to focus our loathing on the unwitting pawn of their agenda?

I see where you are coming from but you missed a critical point.

We as a society must condemn these types of actions and any others that dehumanize people.

Yes it is a drop in the bucket, but the women and girls are free and this set of scum is off the streets. I realize they will just be replace by another set of scum, but those minutes and hours and days that some poor girl is NOT being brutalized are still worth something.

Is it better to throw our hands in the air and say thieves and murderers and drug dealers and sexual perverts are rampant in our society so we should do nothing?

Doing something about the scum does NOT mean we can not ALSO go for the jugular of the Puppet Masters too.

reply to post by Jinglelord

I am not a fan of a Big Brother type solution but I do think it is preferable than the other options which are taking a life or permanent reliance on society to live locked inside of a federal brick house....

Prison work programs have existed in federal and state prisons for decades in order to provide inmates with opportunities for productivity and with job training...

As far as I am concerned the prisoners pay should go to the following:
1. His up keep
2. Pay for his court costs
3. Pay restitution to his victim[s] (If any)
4. Saved as a cushion for his release money
5. discretionary allowance

Also the prisoners should be paid at least minimum wage or what ever is reasonable for the type of work [see Hay point system ] The prison system should not be cheap "slave labor" for corporations.

reply to post by crimvelvet


I'm not saying we do nothing about the perpetrators of crimes. I just think going overboard serves no purpose. I think if we make the goal of our criminal justice system to stop crime rather than to fund a huge penal complex and government waste there are better ways to go about it. I use this case as a soap box because it is about as nasty as it gets.

If this guy was set free and watched regularly as well as put on the national pedo watch list (so we all know who he is and where he lives) we could avoid paying for him, and even make him contribute to society.

Locking him up or killing him would serve no purpose. We can already make sure he hurts nobody else and possibly he could help take down his replacements..

And I agree about the federal work camps. Their pay should be commensurate to their work and it should go towards their expenses.

reply to post by crimvelvet


You are correct.

And kidnapping is within the bounds of the F.B.I. for America.

Now, the question is, are the people this person abducted, or assisted in abducting, American citizens?

Or some other nationality?

This of course defines a part of the crime and punishment of course as well.

Should not international law be much more strict?

Or is it in fact more lenient due to the socioeconomic issues of different countries?

As well as potentially an international incident looming on the horizon for a non-legal.

reply to post by soficrow


Not the same source but the same man seen below.

Wall St Billionaire Charged With Child Molestation

Is something happening across America or is this a coincidence?

reply to post by Jinglelord


Locking up or killing the individual serves society well. The point is to strengthen our species with people whom progress humanity. We have already collectively decided that pedophilia doesn't benefit our species.

So offing them would prevent another tragedy to occur. Same with locking them up. The only issue I have with incarceration is that it must be permanent to be effective, because there doesn't seem to be a cure for the affliction.

There are those who are consciously sexually attracted to kids, yet are socialized enough to never act on their desires. These people usually seem to repress their desires, and vent their frustrations through prosocial, creative means. I have no problem with this whatsoever. Those who are antisocial enough to actually act on these animalistic desires are simply unfit to be in society, IMO. Whatever seems to be the best route to isolate them without using up too many resources in the process...get to it...I'm all for it.

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas


Sweet



Another 50k a year for a rich man that US pays for

reply to post by unityemissions


What if we set up a bunch of pedal generators and made them all be a source of cheap green energy!

I think if your goal is strengthening the species a simple sterilization procedure should suffice. If you goal is to make an example of them so nobody else does it I think there is little correlation between severity of punishment and crime rates. If you just want your pound of flesh I still say it is counterproductive to society.

Now I'm really close to the fence on eugenics, leaning towards it is bad but I'm close so you might be able to convince me on that ground...

reply to post by Jinglelord


Greater than the pain he caused?

Sex-trafficking is generally speaking moving more than one person across a state or countries boundary.

Against their will.

And selling them into sexual slavery.

If it were one person it might be called kidnapping.

While I certainly see your perspective it seems naive.

Notice I said seems, not that it is, nor that you are.

Let him go?

And what put an ankle-tracking bracelet on him?

Those can be broken, malfunction, torn off with enough strength and or assistance.

The man had accomplices as well.

What about them?

How many people does he have to mentally murder by establishing they're less than human?

Or that his punishment need to be meted out according to his crimes.

Ever been raped?

How about molested?

Sold into sexual slavery?

I dare say unless you're willing to see how atrocious these crimes are you are a part of the problem.

Have you even bothered to read all of my posts explaining my investigations into this nightmare?

I do realize you're not referencing necessarily just me or even me specifically.

But there sure is a lot more to this than you're accounting for with your statement there buddy.

Life in prison without the possibility of parole as the lightest sentence.

Paying for everything he uses through some sort of work program within prison.

No cable television.

No rent-free living.

No amenties like a day-spa which is what most prisoners get.

Unless they are in Joe Arpaio's prison.

Even his prison is a tad harsh and I would rather prisoners busting rocks all day.

He may not be the criminal using their bodies but he was the broker that got them their pound of flesh.

Just as guilty as if he'd screwed them personally.

Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas
reply to post by Jinglelord

 

Greater than the pain he caused?

edit on 3/25/11 by SpartanKingLeonidas because: Adding Depth and Insight Into the Post.

Okay so the sum of the pain that he facilitated is greater than all but the most skilled torture artist could repay in kind. I will definitely grant that.

I do fully understand why this seems like Naive perspective and you could have said I was as well which is fine I'm not one for taking offence at an honest and valid statement. I feel like it is not naive to as I do have some first hand source experience in this matter and have done extensive research as part of my interest in international gender issues and human sexuality in general.

I did read your posts and saw little new other than perspectives and stories. This is not a new phenomena and has been going on about as long as humanity existed. This is an aspect of our species we have collectively decided to change. Not every part agrees but we're working on it.

I looked into the eyes of a Nigerian woman recounting her tale. She took a job at an "agency" when she was 16 or 17 (I don't recall exactly) that had promised her work as a house cleaner. After she left her country she found herself in a private club with other women being used as sex slaves. If they wanted to eat they needed to convince clients to feed them. If they had a medical problem they were used until they couldn't work then sent home or burred. She eventually got Aids and word spread so she was useless and sent back to Nigeria starving, sick, and ruined. Once there she could never have a husband and a baby which all she really ever wanted out of life.

Evil, vile, wrong, haunting, ashamed of my species. The sad thing is there are many more vile abominations throughout the world that not only go unpunished but are often celebrated.

I understand the desire to see this man awash in hell, and to be honest if it was my family that was effected... I know enough about human biology and have a vivid imagination.

But I know this is my emotional response and I have found over time emotions are a poor place to make decisions from. I honestly believe we have the technology and ability to allow a person to remain free and never repeat their crime. Between implanted RF sensors, Ankle bracelets, daily check ins, GPS monitoring, video surveillance etc etc...

What does society gain by seeing this person punished if we can ensure he doesn't repeat his crime? I think it would feel good watch him suffer. A cheese grater, Duct Tape, Lemon Juice, and Salt he would pray for death in an hour. But the question isn't what would feel good, the question is what is right. I'm no Christian but I do agree with Jesus that forgiveness is our part of the divine.

But of course forgiveness should not be stupid, forgiveness should also come with vigilance.

Finally we really do need to attack the source. As long as a demand exists a supplier will spring up to fill that demand. Maybe someone worse. And I guarantee this ring was replaced within days and the supply likely didn't miss a beat.

Maybe they should be used to help catch the next group quicker...

Anyway I hope you didn't take my responses as attacks on those who really want to see this guy punished. I'm trying to present alternative replies rather than just agreeing. All I know for sure is how we do it isn't working so I'm trying new ideas...

reply to post by unityemissions


You were a teenager, correct?

Well, that is a different time in our lives, completely, compared to now.

As well laws are fickle in many senses as they are extrapolated however the Attorney trying sees it.

Not to mention the defense attorney.

If you had been 25 or 30 dating a 15 year old we're talking a whole different issue.

17 and 15 is touchy due to parents, society, and as well hormones of teenagers.

There is a whole different view to you and the horny female teenager possibly engaging in sex.

As a relationship.

No matter out thoughts on that.

And that of a 36 year old selling women and minor females into sexual slavery.

I appreciate where you're coming from due to your experience.

Societally though what you experienced is a whole lot more acceptable considering the the repercussions.

Not all of course are going to agree with either of these issues.

And that is troubling for all concerned.

reply to post by SANTA CLAWS


According to your stated number of $50,000 40 years costs $2,000,000.

What source did get you originate at to get the number?

I'm not saying you're correct or incorrect just asking for facts.

It sounds low is why I asked.

Again, prisoners should be breaking rocks all day, or learning a skilled trade.

Not being coddled in Club Fed.

reply to post by Jinglelord


I did not take your stances as attacks as it was a blanket statement.

I do understand and appreciate where you're coming from in regards to emotional responses.

If it were my family?

I would skin the man alive and torture him until he begged for death and torch him on the White House lawn.

And I would dare any man or woman to tell me I was wrong.

That is a belief which is stronger than a system which does nothing for the victims.

I cannot condone some ignorances of society.

The law is ignorant of some atrocities due to interpretation, due to corruption within the system, and due to the influence of politics, money, and those people within a system set up to make it easy to get off, a system set up to give criminals more rights than the victims, and as well that the criminals are remembered and the victims are long forgotten through apathy and ignorance.

If the man convicted of sex-trafficking is seen as human what are we then?

I assure you he is not human but a monster.

So too are his clients and compatriots.

Every last person in every sex-trafficking ring should get life in prison with their clients.

Of course supply and demand is a part of the issue but so is the supplier.

If we do not target the source, the suppliers, and the problem we are not attacking the problem.

We are condoning it.

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas


At the core we agree 100% that this an atrocity and must be stopped.

So now let us assume we can in one form or another presented on this thread imprisonment, death, lifelong monitoring, whatever let us assume we can stop every current client and every current supplier.

How long until all new clients and suppliers pop up? A couple years maybe?

The question I want to ask is what aspect, what part of the way our society is currently set up generates people like this? We can't say it is a modern phenomena. The only modern phenomena is the enforcement and punishment of the practice.

Is this a repercussion of sexual conservatism among consenting adults which is appropriate? Or is this an extension of sexual liberty gone bad? Or is it (most likely in my opinion) an extension of people wanting to feel complete power and control over another life?

My thought is that since this has been going on for much longer than the modern sexual liberty movement it is likely not the middle but more likely a combination of the first and third.

I'm afraid our civilization will not work to stop breeding evil. By "our" I am speaking as a total measure of the world's current civilization.

This is what I mean by root cause. To establish the real issue we need to look beyond the people and see the system that generates these people. You can chalk up a serial killer or random psychopath to mental illness that will simply occur as a part of natural part of humanity. But this is not a random or rare problem. Our society generates these people.

I want to know why.

reply to post by SANTA CLAWS

Sweet

Another 50k a year for a rich man that US pays for

THAT is why I am all for a prison work system as long as the wages are competitive the the wages for those out side the penal system AND the victims get PAID TOO!