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NWO Database
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Hello, i've decided to compile a database with all the people that are or are suspected of being in the elites that run the world from the shadows.
To help with this 'project' i would like to ask you to send an e-mail at the following address: [email protected] containing the following:
Name - Middle Name - Family Name - Country - Position - Affiliations (I.E. Trilateral Comision, Club of Rome, Bilderberg Group etc.).
Do not try to overuse your memory because it doesn't matter if a person has been submited more than one time, just send anyone who you suspect.
I will post a list when we have a bit of more info because those fields mentioned above don't help too much except knowing the 'enemy(?)'.
With your help we can get a bit further with defeating these so called elites.
I would also like to mention that this is not some e-mail phising scheme i can asure you of this and you have my word. If you get increased spam because you sent an e-mail just send another one informing me of this and i will change it to another one.
To help with this 'project' i would like to ask you to send an e-mail at the following address: [email protected] containing the following:
Name - Middle Name - Family Name - Country - Position - Affiliations (I.E. Trilateral Comision, Club of Rome, Bilderberg Group etc.).
Do not try to overuse your memory because it doesn't matter if a person has been submited more than one time, just send anyone who you suspect.
I will post a list when we have a bit of more info because those fields mentioned above don't help too much except knowing the 'enemy(?)'.
With your help we can get a bit further with defeating these so called elites.
I would also like to mention that this is not some e-mail phising scheme i can asure you of this and you have my word. If you get increased spam because you sent an e-mail just send another one informing me of this and i will change it to another one.
edit on 23-3-2011 by AlexIR because:
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reallyThis is not a...give me a break...
reallyThis is not a...give me a break...
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If it was, whould have i mantioned it wasnt? ... just to raise suspicion?
Oh and by the way very helpful reply ... seriously ....
If it was, whould have i mantioned it wasnt? ... just to raise suspicion?
Oh and by the way very helpful reply ... seriously ....
Scam or not, the elites are already known. There is no need to create a "database". What is that going to do? How is that going to help? We
already have a database: the internet. The internet has plenty of (questionable) info on the elites.
The problem is figuring out a solution to get rid of them, which is impossible due to human nature. The faces do not matter. Humans will always be the same if given the amount of power the Rothschild have or governmental powers.
As Orwell said, the middle class will use the poor to overpower the rich and the old middle class will become the rich, a new middle class emerges while the poor are kicked back down until needed again and the cycle will repeat itself forever.
The problem is figuring out a solution to get rid of them, which is impossible due to human nature. The faces do not matter. Humans will always be the same if given the amount of power the Rothschild have or governmental powers.
As Orwell said, the middle class will use the poor to overpower the rich and the old middle class will become the rich, a new middle class emerges while the poor are kicked back down until needed again and the cycle will repeat itself forever.
I do not mind contributing to this thread, but I am not sending emails so i will just post links to assist with the collaboration.
heres one
heres one
green-agenda.com...
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It would become easier to know who, what, where and when if all is organized (thats how i am ... i don't know about you ... but i like things to be organised and easily accessed...).
Anyway the main ones are in ... but i created this topic because i bet some other people have suspicions about others and that could prove to be useful in the long run ...
It would become easier to know who, what, where and when if all is organized (thats how i am ... i don't know about you ... but i like things to be organised and easily accessed...).
Anyway the main ones are in ... but i created this topic because i bet some other people have suspicions about others and that could prove to be useful in the long run ...
Elite Watch www.bibliotecapleyades.net...
There are heaps of links in and around there for the who's who in tptb. You still may want to check with some of the companies mentioned for an up date list of who is where.
There are heaps of links in and around there for the who's who in tptb. You still may want to check with some of the companies mentioned for an up date list of who is where.
reply to post by AlexIR
Ok here you go, lets see what you think?
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TTHHEE TTRRIILLAATTEERRAALL CCOOMMMMIISSSSIIOONN
FEBRUARY 2011
*Executive Committee
MARIO MONTI JOSEPH S. NYE, JR. YOTARO KOBAYASHI
European Chairman North American Chairman Pacific Asian Chairman
VLADIMIR DLOUHY ALLAN E. GOTLIEB HAN SUNG-JOO
European North American Pacific Asian
Deputy Chairman Deputy Chairman Deputy Chairman
MICHAEL FUCHS LORENZO H. ZAMBRANO
European North American
Deputy Chairman Deputy Chairman
DAVID ROCKEFELLER
Founder and Honorary Chairman
PETER SUTHERLAND GEORGES BERTHOIN PAUL A. VOLCKER
European European North American
Honorary Chairman Honorary Chairman Honorary Chairman
***
PAUL RÉVAY MICHAEL J. O'NEIL TADASHI YAMAMOTO
European Director North American Director Pacific Asian Director
EUROPEAN GROUP
Alexandre Adler, Scientific Director for Geopolitics, University of Paris-Dauphine; Journalist and Commentator, Paris
Urban Ahlin, Member of the Swedish Parliament and Deputy Chairman of the Committee on Foreign Affairs, Stockholm
*Esko Aho, Executive Vice President, Nokia, Helsinki; former Prime Minister of Finland
*Edmond Alphandéry, Chairman, CNP Assurances, Paris; former Chairman, Electricité de France (EDF); former Minister of the Economy and Finance
Jacques Andréani, Ambassadeur de France, Paris; former Ambassador to the United States
Jorge Armindo, Chairman, Amorim Turismo, Lisbon
Jerzy Baczynski, Editor-in-Chief, Polityka, Warsaw
Patricia Barbizet, Chief Executive Officer and Member of the Board of Directors, Artémis Group, Paris
Estela Barbot, Director, AGA; Director, Bank Santander Negocios; Member of the General Council, AEP -- Portuguese Business Association, Porto; General Honorary Consul of Guatemala, Lisbon
*Erik Belfrage, Senior Vice President, Skandinaviska Enskilda Banken; Director, Investor AB, Stockholm
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Marek Belka, President, National Bank of Poland, Warsaw; former Director, European Department, International Monetary Fund, Washington D.C.; former Executive Secretary, United Nations Economic Commission for Europe (UNECE), Geneva; former Prime Minister and Minister of Finance of Poland; former Ambassador-at-Large and Chairman, Council for International Coordination, Coalition Provisional Authority, Baghdad
Baron Jean-Pierre Berghmans, Chairman, Lhoist Group, Limelette, Belgium
*Georges Berthoin, International Honorary Chairman, European Movement; Honorary Chairman, The Jean Monnet Association; Honorary European Chairman, The Trilateral Commission, Paris
Nicolas Beytout, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Groupe Les Echos; former Editor of Le Figaro and Les Echos, Paris
Carl Bildt, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Sweden; former Chairman, Kreab Group of public affairs companies; former Chairman, Nordic Venture Network, Stockholm; former Member of the Swedish Parliament, Chairman of the Moderate Party and Prime Minister of Sweden; former European Union High Representative in Bosnia-Herzegovina & UN Special Envoy to the Balkans
Manfred Bischoff, Chairman of the Supervisory Board, Daimler AG, Munich; former Member of the Board of Management, Daimler AG; former Chairman, EADS
Antonio Borges, Chairman, Hedge Fund Standards Board, London
Tzvetelina Borislavova, Chairperson of the Supervisory Board, CIBANK; Member, KBC Group Bulgaria, Sofia
Ana Patricia Botin, Chief Executive Officer, Santander UK; Member of Santander Group’s Management Committee; Member of the Board of Banco Santander and of the Executive committee, Madrid
Jean-Louis Bourlanges, Member, State Audit Court (Cour des Comptes), Paris; Associated Professor, Institute for Political Studies in Paris; former Member of the European Parliament, Brussels; former President of the European Movement in France, Paris
*Jorge Braga de Macedo, President, Tropical Research Institute, Lisbon; Professor of Economics, Nova University at Lisbon; Chairman, Forum Portugal Global; former Minister of Finance
*Lord Brittan of Spennithorne, Vice Chairman, UBS Investment Bank, London; Trade Adviser to the Prime Minister; former Vice President, European Commission
Jean-Louis Bruguière, EU High Representative to the United States on the Terrorist Finance Tracking Programme (TFTP/SWIFT); Judge, Paris
John Bruton, former European Union Ambassador & Head, Delegation of the European Commission to the United States; former Prime Minister of Ireland, Dublin
Robin Buchanan, Senior Adviser, Bain & Company, London; former Dean and President, London Business School
*François Bujon de l'Estang, Ambassadeur de France; Chairman, Citi France, Paris; former Ambassador to the United States
Edelgard Bulmahn, Member of the German Bundestag; former Federal Minister, Berlin
Richard Burrows, Chairman, British American Tobacco, London; former Governor, Bank of Ireland; former President, IBEC (The Irish Business and Employers Confederation), Dublin
Erhard Busek, Chairman, Institute for the Danube Region and Central Europe (IDM); President, EU-Russia Centre; President, European Forum Alpbach; former Special Co-ordinator of the Stability Pact for South Eastern Europe; Former Vice-Chancellor and Federal Minister, Vienna
Hervé de Carmoy, Chairman of the Supervisory Board, ETAM, Paris; Honorary Chairman, Banque Industrielle et Mobilière Privée, Paris; former Chief Executive, Société Générale de Belgique
Jürgen Chrobog, Chairman, BMW Herbert Quandt Foundation, Munich; former German Deputy Foreign Minister and Ambassador to the United States
Luc Coene, Minister of State; Deputy Governor, National Bank of Belgium, Brussels
Bertrand Collomb, Honorary Chairman, Lafarge; Chairman, Institut des Hautes Etudes pour la Science et la Technologie (IHEST); Chairman, Institut Français des Relations Internationales (IFRI); Member of the Institut de France, Paris
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Patrick Combes, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Compagnie Financière Tradition and
Viel & Cie., Paris
Iain Conn, Managing Director and Chief Executive of Refining & Marketing, BP, London
*Richard Conroy, Chairman, Conroy Diamonds & Gold, Dublin; Member of Senate, Republic of Ireland
Jean-François Copé, Member of the French National Assembly; Secretary General of the UMP Party; Former Member of the French Government, Paris
Eckhard Cordes, Chief Executive Officer, Metro Group, Düsseldorf; former CEO Haniel, Duisburg; former Member of the Board, DaimlerChrysler
*Alfonso Cortina, Vice Chairman of Rothschild Europe; Senior Advisor for Spain and Latin America of Rothschild; Senior Advisor for Spain of Texas Pacific Group; Member of the Board of Directors of Mutua Madrileña; Member of the International Advisory Board of Allianz AG, Madrid
Eduardo Costa, Executive Vice Chairman, Banco Finantia, Lisbon; Member, Forum Portugal Global
Enrico Tomaso Cucchiani, Member of the Board of Management, Allianz SE, Munich; Chairman, Allianz S.p.A., Trieste
Caroline Daniel, Editor, FT Weekend, Financial Times, London
Marta Dassu, Director General, Aspen Institute, Rome
Michel David-Weill, Former Chairman, Lazard LLC, worldwide; Chairman of the Supervisory Board, EURAZEO, Paris
*Vladimir Dlouhy, International Advisor, Goldman Sachs; former Czechoslovak Minister of Economy; former Czech Minister of Industry & Trade, Prague; European Deputy Chairman, Trilateral Commission
Pedro Miguel Echenique, Professor of Physics, University of the Basque Country; President, Foundation Donostia International Physics Center (DIPC); former Basque Minister of Education, San Sebastian
Gabriel Eichler, Founder, Benson Oak, Prague
John Elkann, Chairman, Fiat Group, Turin
Anna Ekström, President, The Swedish Confederation of Professional Associations, Saco, Stockholm
Guy Elliott, Finance Director, Rio Tinto, London
Oscar Fanjul, Vice Chairman, Omega Capital; former Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Repsol, Madrid
Nemesio Fernandez-Cuesta, Executive Director of Upstream, Repsol-YPF; former Chairman, Prensa Española, Madrid
Jürgen Fitschen, Member of the Management Board and Member of the Group Executive Committee, Deutsche Bank, Frankfurt-am-Main
Klaus-Dieter Frankenberger, Foreign Editor, Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, Frankfurt am Main
Louise Fresco, University Professor, University of Amsterdam; Member of the Board of non-executive Directors, RABO Bank, Utrecht; former Assistant Director-General, Head of Agriculture Department, Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations in Rome
Hugh Friel, Chairman, Tourism Ireland; former Chief Executive Officer, Kerry Group, Tralee, Co. Kerry, Ireland
*Michael Fuchs, Member of the German Bundestag, Berlin; Deputy Chairman of the CDU/CSU Parliamentary Group; former President, National Federation of German Wholesale & Foreign Trade; European Deputy Chairman, Trilateral Commission
*Antonio Garrigues Walker, Chairman, Garrigues Abogados y Asesores Tributarios, Madrid
Wolfgang Gerhardt, Member of the German Bundestag; Chairman of the Friedrich-Naumann Foundation; former Chairman of the Free Democratic Party, Berlin
Esther Giménez-Salinas, Rector, Ramon Llull University; Professor of Criminal Law, ESADE Law School, Ramon Llull University, Barcelone
Dermot Gleeson, Chairman of the Governing Body of University College Cork, and of Travelport Jersey Ltd.; former Chairman, AIB Group, Dublin
Stephen Green, Group Chairman, HSBC, London; Chairman, British Bankers’ Association; Chairman, Prime Minister’s Business Council for Britain
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Pierfrancesco Guarguaglini, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Finmeccanica, Rome
Federica Guidi, Chief Executive and Vice President, DUCATI Energia, Bologna; Member of the Board of Directors, DUCATI Energia Group; National President of Confindustria Young Entrepreneurs
Elisabeth Guigou, Deputy Chairman and Member of the French National Assembly; former Minister for European Affairs, Paris
General The Lord Guthrie, Former Director, N M Rothschild & Sons, London; Member of the House of Lords; former Chief of the Defence Staff, London
Helga Hernes, Senior Advisor, PRIO (International Peace Research Institute Oslo); Chair, Norwegian Parliamentary Intelligence Oversight Committee, Oslo; former Norwegian Ambassador
Nigel Higgins, Chief Executive, The Rothschild Group, London
Wolfgang Ischinger, Global Head of Government Relations, Allianz SE, Munich; Chairman, The Munich Security Conference on Security Policy; former European Member of the Troïka on the Kosovo Status Determination; former German Deputy Foreign Minister and former German Ambassador to the United States and to the United Kingdom
*Mugur Isarescu, Governor, National Bank of Romania, Bucharest; former Prime Minister
Baron Daniel Janssen, Honorary Chairman, Solvay, Brussels
Lady Barbara Judge, Chairman, UK Pension Protection Fund, London; former Chairman, UKAEA (United Kingdom Atomic Energy Authority); former US Securities Exchange Commissioner
Admiral Juhani Kaskeala, former Chief of the Finnish Defence Forces, Helsinki
*Lord Kerr of Kinlochard, Deputy Chairman, Royal Dutch Shell plc; Member of the House of Lords, London; former British Ambassador to the United States; former Secretary General, European Convention; Chairman of the Advisory Group to the Trilateral Commission (Europe)
Sixten Korkman, Managing Director, The Research Institute of the Finnish Economy (ETLA) & Finnish Business and Policy Forum (EVA), Helsinki
Arpad Kovacs, Chairman of the Supervisory Board, Hungarian Power Companies; Professor, Szeged University; former President, State Audit Office of Hungary, Budapest
Gabor Kovacs, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Bankar Holding; Founder, KOGART (the Kovacs Gabor Art Foundation), Budapest
Jerzy Kozminski, President and Chief Executive Officer, Polish-American Freedom Foundation; former Ambassador to the United States; former First Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs, Warsaw
Jiri Kunert, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, UniCredit Bank Czech Republic; President of the Czech Association of Banks, Prague
Meglena Kuneva, Chairman of the Board, European Policy Center; former Member of the European Commission (Consumer Policy); former Minister of European Affairs and European Commission Chief Negotiator, Sofia
Ulysses Kyriacopoulos, Chairman, S&B Group; former Chairman, Federation of Greek Industries, Athens
Kurt Lauk, Former Member of the European Parliament (EPP Group-CDU); Chairman, Globe Capital Partners, Stuttgart; President, Economic Council of the CDU Party, Berlin; Former Member of the Board, DaimlerChrysler, Stuttgart
Anne Lauvergeon, Chief Executive Officer, AREVA, Paris
*Eli Leenaars, Member, ING Management Board Banking; Member and Treasurer, Confederation of the Netherlands Industry and Employers (VNO-NCW), Amsterdam
Enrico Letta, Member of the Italian Chamber of Deputies; former Under State Secretary in the Office of Prime Minister Prodi; former Minister of European Affairs, Industry, and of Industry and International Trade, Rome
*Thomas Leysen, Chairman of the Board, Umicore, Brussels
*Marianne Lie, Partner, Vox Politica; former Director General, Norwegian Shipowner’s Association, Oslo
Erkki Liikanen, Chairman of the Board, Bank of Finland, Helsinki; former Finnish Minister of Finance; former European Commissioner
Peter Löscher, Chief Executive Officer, Siemens, Munich
5
Abel Matutes, Chairman, Empresas Matutes Group, Ibiza; former Member of the European Commission, Brussels; former Minister of Foreign Affairs, Madrid
Lord Mandelson, Member of the House of Lords; former Secretary of State for Business, Enterprise & Regulatory Reform; former Member of the European Commission (Trade), Brussels; former Secretary of State to Northern Ireland and for Trade and Industry, United Kingdom
Friedrich Merz, President, Atlantik-Brücke, Berlin; Partner, Mayer Brown, Berlin; former Member of the German Bundestag; former Member of the European Parliament; former Chairman of the Parliamentary Group of the CDU/CSU in the Bundestag, Berlin
Peter Mitterbauer, Honorary President, The Federation of Austrian Industry, Vienna; President and Chief Executive Officer, Miba, Laakirchen
Dominique Moïsi, Special Advisor to the Director General of the French Institute for International Relations (IFRI), Paris
*Mario Monti, President, Bocconi University, Milan; former Member of the European Commission (Competition Policy and Internal Market); Honorary President, BRUEGEL, Brussels; European Chairman, Trilateral Commission
Sir Mark Moody-Stuart, Chairman, The Global Business Coalition on HIV/AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria; former Chairman, Anglo American; former Chairman, Royal Dutch/Shell Group, London
Klaus-Peter Müller, Chairman of the Board, Commerzbank, Frankfurt-am-Main; former CEO, Commerzbank, Frankfurt-am-Main; former President, Association of German Banks (BDB), Berlin
Harald Norvik, Chairman of the Board, Telenor; Member of the Board, Conocophillips; former President and Chief Executive, Statoil, Oslo
Ewald Nowotny, Governor of the Austrian National Bank; former Chief Executive Officer, BAWAG P.S.K., Vienna
Denis O’Brien, Chairman, Digicel; Founder, Communicorp Group, Dublin
Arend Oetker, President, German Council on Foreign Relations (DGAP); Vice Chairman, Federation of German Industries; Managing Director, Dr. Arend Oetker Holding, Berlin
*Andrzej Olechowski, Founder, Civic Platform; former Chairman, Bank Handlowy; former Minister of Foreign Affairs and of Finance, Warsaw
Richard Olver, Chairman, BAE Systems, London
Lucas Papademos, Former Vice President, European Central Bank, Frankfurt-am-Main; Honorary Governor of the Bank of Greece
Lord Patten of Barnes, Chancellor of the University of Oxford; Co-Chairman, International Crisis Group, Brussels; former Member of the European Commission (External Relations), Brussels; former Governor of Hong Kong; former Member of the British Cabinet, London
Volker Perthes, Chairman and Director, German Institute for International and Security Affairs,
Stiftung Wissenschaft und Politik (SWP), Berlin
Carlo Pesenti, Managing Director, Italcementi, Bergamo
Dieter Pfundt, Senior Advisor, Silvia Quandt & Cie., Frankfurt-am-Main
*Ursula Plassnik, Member of the Austrian Parliament; Special Envoy for International Women Issues; former Federal Minister for European and International Affairs, Vienna
Ignacio Polanco, Chairman, Grupo Prisa including El Pais and Timon, Madrid
Roberto Poli, Chairman, ENI, Rome
Benoît Potier, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Air Liquide, Paris
Borja Prado, Chairman, Endesa; Chairman, Mediobanca Spain for Iberia and South-America, Madrid
Dieter Rampl, Chairman, UniCredit Group, Milan
Luigi Ramponi, Member of the Italian Senate; former Chairman of the Defence Committee of the Chamber of Deputies, Rome; former Deputy Chief of the Defence Staff (Italian Army)
Denis Ranque, Chairman, Technicolor, Paris; former Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Thales, Paris
Wanda Rapaczynski, Advisor to the Supervisory Board and former President of the Management Board, Agora, Warsaw
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Heinz Riesenhuber, Member of the German Bundestag; former Federal Minister of Research and Technology, Berlin; Chairman of the Supervisory Boards of Kabel Deutschland and of Evotec
Steen Riisgaard, President and Chief Executive Officer, Novozymes, Copenhagen
Alexander Rinnooy Kan, Chairman, Social and Economic Council of the Netherlands (SER), The Hague
Gianfelice Rocca, Chairman, Techint Group of Companies, Milan; Vice President, Confindustria, Rome
Fernando Rodés Vilà, Chief Executive Officer, Havas Group, Barcelona & Paris
Count Jacques Rogge, President, International Olympic Committee, Lausanne; former President of the Belgian Federal Committee and of the European Olympic Committees
H. Onno Ruding, Chairman, Centre for European Policy Studies (CEPS), Brussels; former Vice Chairman, Citibank; former Dutch Minister of Finance
Marcello Sala, Executive Vice Chairman of the Management Board, Intesa Sanpaolo, Milan
*Ferdinando Salleo, Vice Chairman, MCC (Mediocredito Centrale), Rome; former Ambassador to the United States
Jacques Santer, Honorary State Minister, Luxembourg; former Member of the European Parliament; former President of the European Commission; former Prime Minister of Luxembourg
Andreas Schmitz, President, Association of German Banks (BDB), Berlin; Chief Executive Officer, HSBC Trinkaus & Burkhardt, Düsseldorf
Henning Schulte-Noelle, Chairman of the Supervisory Board and former Chief Executive Officer, Allianz, Munich
Karel Schwarzenberg, Member of the Czech Senate; Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs; Founder and Director, Nadace Bohemiae, Prague; former Chancellor to President Havel
*Carlo Secchi, Professor of European Economic Policy and former Rector, Bocconi University; Vice President, ISPI, Milan; former Member of the Italian Senate and of the European Parliament
Maurizio Sella, Chairman, Gruppo Banca Sella, Biella; former Chairman, Association of Italian Banks (A.B.I.), Rome
Tomasz Sielicki , Vice Chairman, Sygnity, Warsaw
Slawomir S. Sikora, Chief Executive Officer and Citigroup Country Officer for Poland, Bank Handlowy w Warszawie, Warsaw
Yves-Thibault de Silguy, Chairman, VINCI, Paris
Stefano Silvestri, President, Institute for International Affairs (IAI), Rome; Commentator, Il Sole 24 Ore; former Under Secretary of State for Defence, Italy
Nicholas Soames, Member of the British Parliament, London
Javier Solana, President, ESADE Center for Global Economic and Geopolitics; Advisor on International Strategy, Acciona Group, Madrid; former Secretary General of the Council of the European Union and EU High Representative for the Common Foreign and Security Policy; former Secretary General of NATO; former Minister for Foreign Affairs of Spain and Member of the Parliament, Madrid
Sir Martin Sorrell, Chief Executive Officer, WPP Group, London
*Petar Stoyanov, former President of the Republic of Bulgaria; Member of the Bulgarian Parliament
and Chairman of Parliamentary Group of United Democratic Forces; Chairman of Union of Democratic Forces, Sofia
Peter Straarup, Chairman of the Executive Board, Danske Bank, Copenhagen; Chairman, the Danish Bankers Association
*György Surányi, Regional Head of Central Eastern Europe Intesa Sanpaolo Group; Chairman, Central European International Bank (CIB), Budapest
*Peter Sutherland, Chairman, Goldman Sachs International; Chairman of the London School of Economics; UN Special Representative for Migration and Development; former Chairman, BP p.l.c.; former Director General, GATT/WTO; former Member of the European Commission; former Attorney General of Ireland; Honorary European Chairman, Trilateral Commission
Mihai Tanasescu, Senior Adviser and Member of the Executive Board, International Monetary Fund (IMF); former Minister of Public Finance of Romania, Bucharest
Andreas Treichl, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Erste Group Bank AG, Vienna
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Marco Tronchetti Provera, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Pirelli & C., Milan; Deputy Chairman, Confindustria, Rome; former Chairman, Telecom Italia
Elsbeth Tronstad, Executive Vice President, SN Power; former Executive Director, Confederation of Norwegian Enterprise (NHO); former Executive Vice President, ABB, Oslo
Loukas Tsoukalis, Special Adviser to the President of the European Commission; Professor at the University of Athens and the College of Europe; President of the Hellenic Foundation for European and Foreign Policy (ELIAMEP), Athens
Jens Ulltveit-Moe, Founder and Chief Executive Officer, UMOE Group; former President, Federation of Norwegian Industry; former President, Norwegian Shipowners Federation, Oslo
*Raivo Vare, Owner, Live Nature Eesti OÜ; Partner, Sthenos Group and OÜ RVVE Group; Chairman of the Council of the Parliament’s Development Fund, Member of the President’s Academic Advisory Board; former Minister of State and former Minister of Transport and Communication, Tallinn
*George Vassiliou, former Head of the Negotiating Team for the Accession of Cyprus to the European Union; former President of the Republic of Cyprus; former Member of Parliament and Leader of United Democrats, Nicosia
Franco Venturini, Senior Editorial Commentator on Foreign Affairs, Corriere della Sera, Rome
Margrethe Vestager, Member of the Danish Parliament; Chairwoman of the Social Liberal Party Parliamentary Group; former Minister of Education, Copenhagen
*Marko Voljc, Chief Executive Officer, Central and Eastern Europe and Russia Business Unit and Member of the Executive Committee, KBC Group, Brussels; former Chief Executive Officer, Nova Ljubljanska Banka, Ljubljana
Alexandr Vondra, Member of the Czech Senate; Minister of Defence; former Deputy Prime Minister for European Affairs; former Minister of Foreign Affairs, Prague
Joris Voorhoeve, Member of the Council of State; former Member of the Dutch Parliament; former Minister of Defence, The Hague
*Panagis Vourloumis, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Hellenic Telecommunications Organization (O.T.E.), Athens
Peter Wallenberg Jr., Chairman, Foundation Asset Management Sweden AB (FAM), Stockholm
*Heinrich Weiss, Chief Executive Officer, SMS, Düsseldorf; former Chairman, Federation of German Industries, Berlin
Nout Wellink, President, Dutch Central Bank, Amsterdam
Hans Wijers, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Akzo Nobel, Arnhem
Alexander Wilmot-Sitwell, Co-Chief Executive Officer, UBS Investment Bank, London
Matthias Wissmann, President, The German Association of the Automotive Industry (VDA), Berlin; former Member of German Bundestag; former Federal Minister
Emilio Ybarra, former Chairman, Banco Bilbao-Vizcaya, Madrid
Former Members in Public Service
Lene Espersen, Minister for Foreign Affairs, Denmark
Grete Faremo, Minister for Defence; former Norwegian Minister of Development Cooperation, Minister of Justice and Minister of Oil and Energy, Oslo
Lykke Friis, Minister for Climate and Energy and Gender Equality; former Pro-Rector, University of Copenhagen; Member of the EU Reflection Group on the Future of Europe (Horizon 2020-2030), Copenhagen
Toomas Hendrik Ilves, President of the Republic of Estonia, Tallinn
Francis Maude, Member of the British Parliament; Minister for the Cabinet Office and Paymaster General, London
Ok here you go, lets see what you think?
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TTHHEE TTRRIILLAATTEERRAALL CCOOMMMMIISSSSIIOONN
FEBRUARY 2011
*Executive Committee
MARIO MONTI JOSEPH S. NYE, JR. YOTARO KOBAYASHI
European Chairman North American Chairman Pacific Asian Chairman
VLADIMIR DLOUHY ALLAN E. GOTLIEB HAN SUNG-JOO
European North American Pacific Asian
Deputy Chairman Deputy Chairman Deputy Chairman
MICHAEL FUCHS LORENZO H. ZAMBRANO
European North American
Deputy Chairman Deputy Chairman
DAVID ROCKEFELLER
Founder and Honorary Chairman
PETER SUTHERLAND GEORGES BERTHOIN PAUL A. VOLCKER
European European North American
Honorary Chairman Honorary Chairman Honorary Chairman
***
PAUL RÉVAY MICHAEL J. O'NEIL TADASHI YAMAMOTO
European Director North American Director Pacific Asian Director
EUROPEAN GROUP
Alexandre Adler, Scientific Director for Geopolitics, University of Paris-Dauphine; Journalist and Commentator, Paris
Urban Ahlin, Member of the Swedish Parliament and Deputy Chairman of the Committee on Foreign Affairs, Stockholm
*Esko Aho, Executive Vice President, Nokia, Helsinki; former Prime Minister of Finland
*Edmond Alphandéry, Chairman, CNP Assurances, Paris; former Chairman, Electricité de France (EDF); former Minister of the Economy and Finance
Jacques Andréani, Ambassadeur de France, Paris; former Ambassador to the United States
Jorge Armindo, Chairman, Amorim Turismo, Lisbon
Jerzy Baczynski, Editor-in-Chief, Polityka, Warsaw
Patricia Barbizet, Chief Executive Officer and Member of the Board of Directors, Artémis Group, Paris
Estela Barbot, Director, AGA; Director, Bank Santander Negocios; Member of the General Council, AEP -- Portuguese Business Association, Porto; General Honorary Consul of Guatemala, Lisbon
*Erik Belfrage, Senior Vice President, Skandinaviska Enskilda Banken; Director, Investor AB, Stockholm
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Marek Belka, President, National Bank of Poland, Warsaw; former Director, European Department, International Monetary Fund, Washington D.C.; former Executive Secretary, United Nations Economic Commission for Europe (UNECE), Geneva; former Prime Minister and Minister of Finance of Poland; former Ambassador-at-Large and Chairman, Council for International Coordination, Coalition Provisional Authority, Baghdad
Baron Jean-Pierre Berghmans, Chairman, Lhoist Group, Limelette, Belgium
*Georges Berthoin, International Honorary Chairman, European Movement; Honorary Chairman, The Jean Monnet Association; Honorary European Chairman, The Trilateral Commission, Paris
Nicolas Beytout, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Groupe Les Echos; former Editor of Le Figaro and Les Echos, Paris
Carl Bildt, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Sweden; former Chairman, Kreab Group of public affairs companies; former Chairman, Nordic Venture Network, Stockholm; former Member of the Swedish Parliament, Chairman of the Moderate Party and Prime Minister of Sweden; former European Union High Representative in Bosnia-Herzegovina & UN Special Envoy to the Balkans
Manfred Bischoff, Chairman of the Supervisory Board, Daimler AG, Munich; former Member of the Board of Management, Daimler AG; former Chairman, EADS
Antonio Borges, Chairman, Hedge Fund Standards Board, London
Tzvetelina Borislavova, Chairperson of the Supervisory Board, CIBANK; Member, KBC Group Bulgaria, Sofia
Ana Patricia Botin, Chief Executive Officer, Santander UK; Member of Santander Group’s Management Committee; Member of the Board of Banco Santander and of the Executive committee, Madrid
Jean-Louis Bourlanges, Member, State Audit Court (Cour des Comptes), Paris; Associated Professor, Institute for Political Studies in Paris; former Member of the European Parliament, Brussels; former President of the European Movement in France, Paris
*Jorge Braga de Macedo, President, Tropical Research Institute, Lisbon; Professor of Economics, Nova University at Lisbon; Chairman, Forum Portugal Global; former Minister of Finance
*Lord Brittan of Spennithorne, Vice Chairman, UBS Investment Bank, London; Trade Adviser to the Prime Minister; former Vice President, European Commission
Jean-Louis Bruguière, EU High Representative to the United States on the Terrorist Finance Tracking Programme (TFTP/SWIFT); Judge, Paris
John Bruton, former European Union Ambassador & Head, Delegation of the European Commission to the United States; former Prime Minister of Ireland, Dublin
Robin Buchanan, Senior Adviser, Bain & Company, London; former Dean and President, London Business School
*François Bujon de l'Estang, Ambassadeur de France; Chairman, Citi France, Paris; former Ambassador to the United States
Edelgard Bulmahn, Member of the German Bundestag; former Federal Minister, Berlin
Richard Burrows, Chairman, British American Tobacco, London; former Governor, Bank of Ireland; former President, IBEC (The Irish Business and Employers Confederation), Dublin
Erhard Busek, Chairman, Institute for the Danube Region and Central Europe (IDM); President, EU-Russia Centre; President, European Forum Alpbach; former Special Co-ordinator of the Stability Pact for South Eastern Europe; Former Vice-Chancellor and Federal Minister, Vienna
Hervé de Carmoy, Chairman of the Supervisory Board, ETAM, Paris; Honorary Chairman, Banque Industrielle et Mobilière Privée, Paris; former Chief Executive, Société Générale de Belgique
Jürgen Chrobog, Chairman, BMW Herbert Quandt Foundation, Munich; former German Deputy Foreign Minister and Ambassador to the United States
Luc Coene, Minister of State; Deputy Governor, National Bank of Belgium, Brussels
Bertrand Collomb, Honorary Chairman, Lafarge; Chairman, Institut des Hautes Etudes pour la Science et la Technologie (IHEST); Chairman, Institut Français des Relations Internationales (IFRI); Member of the Institut de France, Paris
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Patrick Combes, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Compagnie Financière Tradition and
Viel & Cie., Paris
Iain Conn, Managing Director and Chief Executive of Refining & Marketing, BP, London
*Richard Conroy, Chairman, Conroy Diamonds & Gold, Dublin; Member of Senate, Republic of Ireland
Jean-François Copé, Member of the French National Assembly; Secretary General of the UMP Party; Former Member of the French Government, Paris
Eckhard Cordes, Chief Executive Officer, Metro Group, Düsseldorf; former CEO Haniel, Duisburg; former Member of the Board, DaimlerChrysler
*Alfonso Cortina, Vice Chairman of Rothschild Europe; Senior Advisor for Spain and Latin America of Rothschild; Senior Advisor for Spain of Texas Pacific Group; Member of the Board of Directors of Mutua Madrileña; Member of the International Advisory Board of Allianz AG, Madrid
Eduardo Costa, Executive Vice Chairman, Banco Finantia, Lisbon; Member, Forum Portugal Global
Enrico Tomaso Cucchiani, Member of the Board of Management, Allianz SE, Munich; Chairman, Allianz S.p.A., Trieste
Caroline Daniel, Editor, FT Weekend, Financial Times, London
Marta Dassu, Director General, Aspen Institute, Rome
Michel David-Weill, Former Chairman, Lazard LLC, worldwide; Chairman of the Supervisory Board, EURAZEO, Paris
*Vladimir Dlouhy, International Advisor, Goldman Sachs; former Czechoslovak Minister of Economy; former Czech Minister of Industry & Trade, Prague; European Deputy Chairman, Trilateral Commission
Pedro Miguel Echenique, Professor of Physics, University of the Basque Country; President, Foundation Donostia International Physics Center (DIPC); former Basque Minister of Education, San Sebastian
Gabriel Eichler, Founder, Benson Oak, Prague
John Elkann, Chairman, Fiat Group, Turin
Anna Ekström, President, The Swedish Confederation of Professional Associations, Saco, Stockholm
Guy Elliott, Finance Director, Rio Tinto, London
Oscar Fanjul, Vice Chairman, Omega Capital; former Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Repsol, Madrid
Nemesio Fernandez-Cuesta, Executive Director of Upstream, Repsol-YPF; former Chairman, Prensa Española, Madrid
Jürgen Fitschen, Member of the Management Board and Member of the Group Executive Committee, Deutsche Bank, Frankfurt-am-Main
Klaus-Dieter Frankenberger, Foreign Editor, Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, Frankfurt am Main
Louise Fresco, University Professor, University of Amsterdam; Member of the Board of non-executive Directors, RABO Bank, Utrecht; former Assistant Director-General, Head of Agriculture Department, Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations in Rome
Hugh Friel, Chairman, Tourism Ireland; former Chief Executive Officer, Kerry Group, Tralee, Co. Kerry, Ireland
*Michael Fuchs, Member of the German Bundestag, Berlin; Deputy Chairman of the CDU/CSU Parliamentary Group; former President, National Federation of German Wholesale & Foreign Trade; European Deputy Chairman, Trilateral Commission
*Antonio Garrigues Walker, Chairman, Garrigues Abogados y Asesores Tributarios, Madrid
Wolfgang Gerhardt, Member of the German Bundestag; Chairman of the Friedrich-Naumann Foundation; former Chairman of the Free Democratic Party, Berlin
Esther Giménez-Salinas, Rector, Ramon Llull University; Professor of Criminal Law, ESADE Law School, Ramon Llull University, Barcelone
Dermot Gleeson, Chairman of the Governing Body of University College Cork, and of Travelport Jersey Ltd.; former Chairman, AIB Group, Dublin
Stephen Green, Group Chairman, HSBC, London; Chairman, British Bankers’ Association; Chairman, Prime Minister’s Business Council for Britain
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Pierfrancesco Guarguaglini, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Finmeccanica, Rome
Federica Guidi, Chief Executive and Vice President, DUCATI Energia, Bologna; Member of the Board of Directors, DUCATI Energia Group; National President of Confindustria Young Entrepreneurs
Elisabeth Guigou, Deputy Chairman and Member of the French National Assembly; former Minister for European Affairs, Paris
General The Lord Guthrie, Former Director, N M Rothschild & Sons, London; Member of the House of Lords; former Chief of the Defence Staff, London
Helga Hernes, Senior Advisor, PRIO (International Peace Research Institute Oslo); Chair, Norwegian Parliamentary Intelligence Oversight Committee, Oslo; former Norwegian Ambassador
Nigel Higgins, Chief Executive, The Rothschild Group, London
Wolfgang Ischinger, Global Head of Government Relations, Allianz SE, Munich; Chairman, The Munich Security Conference on Security Policy; former European Member of the Troïka on the Kosovo Status Determination; former German Deputy Foreign Minister and former German Ambassador to the United States and to the United Kingdom
*Mugur Isarescu, Governor, National Bank of Romania, Bucharest; former Prime Minister
Baron Daniel Janssen, Honorary Chairman, Solvay, Brussels
Lady Barbara Judge, Chairman, UK Pension Protection Fund, London; former Chairman, UKAEA (United Kingdom Atomic Energy Authority); former US Securities Exchange Commissioner
Admiral Juhani Kaskeala, former Chief of the Finnish Defence Forces, Helsinki
*Lord Kerr of Kinlochard, Deputy Chairman, Royal Dutch Shell plc; Member of the House of Lords, London; former British Ambassador to the United States; former Secretary General, European Convention; Chairman of the Advisory Group to the Trilateral Commission (Europe)
Sixten Korkman, Managing Director, The Research Institute of the Finnish Economy (ETLA) & Finnish Business and Policy Forum (EVA), Helsinki
Arpad Kovacs, Chairman of the Supervisory Board, Hungarian Power Companies; Professor, Szeged University; former President, State Audit Office of Hungary, Budapest
Gabor Kovacs, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Bankar Holding; Founder, KOGART (the Kovacs Gabor Art Foundation), Budapest
Jerzy Kozminski, President and Chief Executive Officer, Polish-American Freedom Foundation; former Ambassador to the United States; former First Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs, Warsaw
Jiri Kunert, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, UniCredit Bank Czech Republic; President of the Czech Association of Banks, Prague
Meglena Kuneva, Chairman of the Board, European Policy Center; former Member of the European Commission (Consumer Policy); former Minister of European Affairs and European Commission Chief Negotiator, Sofia
Ulysses Kyriacopoulos, Chairman, S&B Group; former Chairman, Federation of Greek Industries, Athens
Kurt Lauk, Former Member of the European Parliament (EPP Group-CDU); Chairman, Globe Capital Partners, Stuttgart; President, Economic Council of the CDU Party, Berlin; Former Member of the Board, DaimlerChrysler, Stuttgart
Anne Lauvergeon, Chief Executive Officer, AREVA, Paris
*Eli Leenaars, Member, ING Management Board Banking; Member and Treasurer, Confederation of the Netherlands Industry and Employers (VNO-NCW), Amsterdam
Enrico Letta, Member of the Italian Chamber of Deputies; former Under State Secretary in the Office of Prime Minister Prodi; former Minister of European Affairs, Industry, and of Industry and International Trade, Rome
*Thomas Leysen, Chairman of the Board, Umicore, Brussels
*Marianne Lie, Partner, Vox Politica; former Director General, Norwegian Shipowner’s Association, Oslo
Erkki Liikanen, Chairman of the Board, Bank of Finland, Helsinki; former Finnish Minister of Finance; former European Commissioner
Peter Löscher, Chief Executive Officer, Siemens, Munich
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Abel Matutes, Chairman, Empresas Matutes Group, Ibiza; former Member of the European Commission, Brussels; former Minister of Foreign Affairs, Madrid
Lord Mandelson, Member of the House of Lords; former Secretary of State for Business, Enterprise & Regulatory Reform; former Member of the European Commission (Trade), Brussels; former Secretary of State to Northern Ireland and for Trade and Industry, United Kingdom
Friedrich Merz, President, Atlantik-Brücke, Berlin; Partner, Mayer Brown, Berlin; former Member of the German Bundestag; former Member of the European Parliament; former Chairman of the Parliamentary Group of the CDU/CSU in the Bundestag, Berlin
Peter Mitterbauer, Honorary President, The Federation of Austrian Industry, Vienna; President and Chief Executive Officer, Miba, Laakirchen
Dominique Moïsi, Special Advisor to the Director General of the French Institute for International Relations (IFRI), Paris
*Mario Monti, President, Bocconi University, Milan; former Member of the European Commission (Competition Policy and Internal Market); Honorary President, BRUEGEL, Brussels; European Chairman, Trilateral Commission
Sir Mark Moody-Stuart, Chairman, The Global Business Coalition on HIV/AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria; former Chairman, Anglo American; former Chairman, Royal Dutch/Shell Group, London
Klaus-Peter Müller, Chairman of the Board, Commerzbank, Frankfurt-am-Main; former CEO, Commerzbank, Frankfurt-am-Main; former President, Association of German Banks (BDB), Berlin
Harald Norvik, Chairman of the Board, Telenor; Member of the Board, Conocophillips; former President and Chief Executive, Statoil, Oslo
Ewald Nowotny, Governor of the Austrian National Bank; former Chief Executive Officer, BAWAG P.S.K., Vienna
Denis O’Brien, Chairman, Digicel; Founder, Communicorp Group, Dublin
Arend Oetker, President, German Council on Foreign Relations (DGAP); Vice Chairman, Federation of German Industries; Managing Director, Dr. Arend Oetker Holding, Berlin
*Andrzej Olechowski, Founder, Civic Platform; former Chairman, Bank Handlowy; former Minister of Foreign Affairs and of Finance, Warsaw
Richard Olver, Chairman, BAE Systems, London
Lucas Papademos, Former Vice President, European Central Bank, Frankfurt-am-Main; Honorary Governor of the Bank of Greece
Lord Patten of Barnes, Chancellor of the University of Oxford; Co-Chairman, International Crisis Group, Brussels; former Member of the European Commission (External Relations), Brussels; former Governor of Hong Kong; former Member of the British Cabinet, London
Volker Perthes, Chairman and Director, German Institute for International and Security Affairs,
Stiftung Wissenschaft und Politik (SWP), Berlin
Carlo Pesenti, Managing Director, Italcementi, Bergamo
Dieter Pfundt, Senior Advisor, Silvia Quandt & Cie., Frankfurt-am-Main
*Ursula Plassnik, Member of the Austrian Parliament; Special Envoy for International Women Issues; former Federal Minister for European and International Affairs, Vienna
Ignacio Polanco, Chairman, Grupo Prisa including El Pais and Timon, Madrid
Roberto Poli, Chairman, ENI, Rome
Benoît Potier, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Air Liquide, Paris
Borja Prado, Chairman, Endesa; Chairman, Mediobanca Spain for Iberia and South-America, Madrid
Dieter Rampl, Chairman, UniCredit Group, Milan
Luigi Ramponi, Member of the Italian Senate; former Chairman of the Defence Committee of the Chamber of Deputies, Rome; former Deputy Chief of the Defence Staff (Italian Army)
Denis Ranque, Chairman, Technicolor, Paris; former Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Thales, Paris
Wanda Rapaczynski, Advisor to the Supervisory Board and former President of the Management Board, Agora, Warsaw
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Heinz Riesenhuber, Member of the German Bundestag; former Federal Minister of Research and Technology, Berlin; Chairman of the Supervisory Boards of Kabel Deutschland and of Evotec
Steen Riisgaard, President and Chief Executive Officer, Novozymes, Copenhagen
Alexander Rinnooy Kan, Chairman, Social and Economic Council of the Netherlands (SER), The Hague
Gianfelice Rocca, Chairman, Techint Group of Companies, Milan; Vice President, Confindustria, Rome
Fernando Rodés Vilà, Chief Executive Officer, Havas Group, Barcelona & Paris
Count Jacques Rogge, President, International Olympic Committee, Lausanne; former President of the Belgian Federal Committee and of the European Olympic Committees
H. Onno Ruding, Chairman, Centre for European Policy Studies (CEPS), Brussels; former Vice Chairman, Citibank; former Dutch Minister of Finance
Marcello Sala, Executive Vice Chairman of the Management Board, Intesa Sanpaolo, Milan
*Ferdinando Salleo, Vice Chairman, MCC (Mediocredito Centrale), Rome; former Ambassador to the United States
Jacques Santer, Honorary State Minister, Luxembourg; former Member of the European Parliament; former President of the European Commission; former Prime Minister of Luxembourg
Andreas Schmitz, President, Association of German Banks (BDB), Berlin; Chief Executive Officer, HSBC Trinkaus & Burkhardt, Düsseldorf
Henning Schulte-Noelle, Chairman of the Supervisory Board and former Chief Executive Officer, Allianz, Munich
Karel Schwarzenberg, Member of the Czech Senate; Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs; Founder and Director, Nadace Bohemiae, Prague; former Chancellor to President Havel
*Carlo Secchi, Professor of European Economic Policy and former Rector, Bocconi University; Vice President, ISPI, Milan; former Member of the Italian Senate and of the European Parliament
Maurizio Sella, Chairman, Gruppo Banca Sella, Biella; former Chairman, Association of Italian Banks (A.B.I.), Rome
Tomasz Sielicki , Vice Chairman, Sygnity, Warsaw
Slawomir S. Sikora, Chief Executive Officer and Citigroup Country Officer for Poland, Bank Handlowy w Warszawie, Warsaw
Yves-Thibault de Silguy, Chairman, VINCI, Paris
Stefano Silvestri, President, Institute for International Affairs (IAI), Rome; Commentator, Il Sole 24 Ore; former Under Secretary of State for Defence, Italy
Nicholas Soames, Member of the British Parliament, London
Javier Solana, President, ESADE Center for Global Economic and Geopolitics; Advisor on International Strategy, Acciona Group, Madrid; former Secretary General of the Council of the European Union and EU High Representative for the Common Foreign and Security Policy; former Secretary General of NATO; former Minister for Foreign Affairs of Spain and Member of the Parliament, Madrid
Sir Martin Sorrell, Chief Executive Officer, WPP Group, London
*Petar Stoyanov, former President of the Republic of Bulgaria; Member of the Bulgarian Parliament
and Chairman of Parliamentary Group of United Democratic Forces; Chairman of Union of Democratic Forces, Sofia
Peter Straarup, Chairman of the Executive Board, Danske Bank, Copenhagen; Chairman, the Danish Bankers Association
*György Surányi, Regional Head of Central Eastern Europe Intesa Sanpaolo Group; Chairman, Central European International Bank (CIB), Budapest
*Peter Sutherland, Chairman, Goldman Sachs International; Chairman of the London School of Economics; UN Special Representative for Migration and Development; former Chairman, BP p.l.c.; former Director General, GATT/WTO; former Member of the European Commission; former Attorney General of Ireland; Honorary European Chairman, Trilateral Commission
Mihai Tanasescu, Senior Adviser and Member of the Executive Board, International Monetary Fund (IMF); former Minister of Public Finance of Romania, Bucharest
Andreas Treichl, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Erste Group Bank AG, Vienna
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Elsbeth Tronstad, Executive Vice President, SN Power; former Executive Director, Confederation of Norwegian Enterprise (NHO); former Executive Vice President, ABB, Oslo
Loukas Tsoukalis, Special Adviser to the President of the European Commission; Professor at the University of Athens and the College of Europe; President of the Hellenic Foundation for European and Foreign Policy (ELIAMEP), Athens
Jens Ulltveit-Moe, Founder and Chief Executive Officer, UMOE Group; former President, Federation of Norwegian Industry; former President, Norwegian Shipowners Federation, Oslo
*Raivo Vare, Owner, Live Nature Eesti OÜ; Partner, Sthenos Group and OÜ RVVE Group; Chairman of the Council of the Parliament’s Development Fund, Member of the President’s Academic Advisory Board; former Minister of State and former Minister of Transport and Communication, Tallinn
*George Vassiliou, former Head of the Negotiating Team for the Accession of Cyprus to the European Union; former President of the Republic of Cyprus; former Member of Parliament and Leader of United Democrats, Nicosia
Franco Venturini, Senior Editorial Commentator on Foreign Affairs, Corriere della Sera, Rome
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*Marko Voljc, Chief Executive Officer, Central and Eastern Europe and Russia Business Unit and Member of the Executive Committee, KBC Group, Brussels; former Chief Executive Officer, Nova Ljubljanska Banka, Ljubljana
Alexandr Vondra, Member of the Czech Senate; Minister of Defence; former Deputy Prime Minister for European Affairs; former Minister of Foreign Affairs, Prague
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*Panagis Vourloumis, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Hellenic Telecommunications Organization (O.T.E.), Athens
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*Heinrich Weiss, Chief Executive Officer, SMS, Düsseldorf; former Chairman, Federation of German Industries, Berlin
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reply to post by DevilJin
true the internet is the battlefeld for the beginning of ww3. look around the net and you will find what you are looking for
File No. 9 1 10048
WORLD TRADE CENTER TASK FORCE INTERVIEW
EMT PATRICIA ONDROVIC
Interview Date: October 1 1, 200 1
P. ONDROVIC
CHRISTOPHER ECCLESTON: Today's date is October 11,2001. The time
is 6:48 AM, and this is Christopher Eccleston of the New York City Fire Department. I
am conducting an interview with the following individual.. .please state your name, rank,
title, and assigned command area of the Fire Department of the City of New York,
regarding the events of September 1 1, 2001.
PATRICIA ONDROVIC: Patricia Ondrovic, shield 1634, EMTD, assigned to
Battalion 8.
Q: Were you assigned to the World Trade Center disaster on September 11,
A:
Q:
A:
Q:
A:
Q:
A:
Vesey.
Q:
vehicle?
A:
Yes.
En route to the alarm, what did you see?
I saw the two towers burning.
On arrival, did any civilians report anything to you?
No.
Where did you park your vehicle when you arrived?
In the middle of Vesey Street between West and whatever is East of
On this map, can you indicate with a number 1 where you parked your
Um.. .it was on Vesey between West and the West Side Highway so, it
was, I'm not sure if it was this block or that block.
P. ONDROVIC
Q: Okay, just approximate and put a number 1.
A: I guess it was over here.
Q: Okay, and what vehicle were you in?
A: Vehicle 90.
Q: Vehicle 90. Whom did you first report to and where?
A: On Vesey and West, in the middle of the block, there was an EMS captain.
I never got his name, I don't know who he was. I said I was 07 Charlie, he said park it
over there. That was the last I saw of him.
Q: Were you given a specific assignment?
A: No. Stand by. Take the equipment out of the vehicle and stand by.
Q: Were you asked to assist any specific units?
A: No.
Q: Can you tell me what you did when you arrived at that location?
A: We took the stretcher and all the crash equipment out of the bus and we
formed up alongside one of the buildings on Vesey. I don't remember which number it
was. We were in a line of several other ambulances. Next to us was a St. Claire's
ambulance and a Cabrini Ambulance. I think there was only one other EMS ambulance
on that block at the time I was there. That was vehicle 350, 08 David. I didn't know a lot
of the people there, I didn't know the EMS captain that was there. There were no
patients that we could see at that point. I think they were trying to set up a triage in front
of the building that the ambulances were all parked at. I guess we were supposed to be
P. ONDROVIC
the first on the wave to take patients out, and there was a Tex-Mex restaurant across the
street. I went in to use the bathroom, that's where the Police were using their command
center. I saw a police captain that I knew, and he came out to me. He looked absolutely
terrified, he was shaking, he was pale, he was sweating. I looked at him, I said what's
wrong? He said there's another plane headed our way, and they just blew up the
Pentagon. I said, another plane? What are you talking about? I hadn't realized that
planes had hit this, I thought they just set bombs off. I didn't realize when I got there that
planes hit it. I said, what do you mean another plane? He said two planes hit the World
Trade Center. So I'm thinking a little Cessena. How can a little Cessena do all that
damage? He said no, 757s. I said big things? See I was there for about 25 minutes
before I knew that planes had crashed into this. We just got assigned to do stand-by. We
didn't know what the stand-by was. I mean, who thinks something like that? You just
think they hit it again. So I said, what do you mean there's another one headed this way?
He said, it's on the TV, there's a TV in there and it said that the Pentagon has been hit.
Then we all went outside cause they had on the police radio that there was another plane
headed in our direction, we all went outside and started looking up in the sky. Then the
EMS captain said everyone grab your equipment, get to your vehicles and stay with your
vehicles. My partner and I grabbed our stretcher, went to put it in the back of our
vehicle, and at that time, I think it was the lobby of the building behind us blew out.
Everybody started running, I didn't see him again that day. He got thrown one way, I got
P. ONDROVIC
thrown the other way. I started running towards the West Side Highway, and there was
another building on the corner, I guess it was a federal building, cause it was all the green
and gray uniforms with the Smokey the Bear hats, the cops in there. I went to run in the
lobby cause all of a sudden you couldn't see anything. There was smoke, there was
debris, there was everything flying around. I ran into the lobby cause I had no idea what
had happened and the cops that were in there were telling everybody get out, get out, get
out. Where are you gonna go? Stuffs blowing up. So I ran back out and I started
running west again. At that point, there was a car on the corner of I think I was here at
that point, on the West Side Highway.
Q: West Side Highway and Vesey?
A: And Vesey, yeah. I was still on Vesey, cause the building that blew up on
me was on Vesey, it was on the corner next to the West Side Highway. Cause I know I
was running west, I didn't run that way. Thank God, I would have been dead had I run
the other way. But I ran towards the West Side Highway, and I kept running up Vesey.
As I was running up Vesey, the first car blew up on me on the corner of Vessey and the
West Side Highway. That set my turnout coat on fire, that set my hair on fire, and that
set my feet on fire. I kept running. I got news for you, those turn out coats need to be
called burn out coats, cause this thing caught up in flames. They cut two inches off my
hair in less that two minutes, my coat was completely engulfed, and that was the only
way I could see where I was running at that point, because I had a glow from my coat.
P. ONDROVIC
There's hundreds of cops all running up there, and I ended up running through this park,
and I couldn't even see where I was running anymore. I kept running North.
Q: Through North Park?
A: I guess that's North Park. It's a big green, grassy area, and there's nothing
there. As I was running up here, two or three more cars exploded on me. They weren't
near any buildings at that point, they were just parked on the street. The traffic guys
hadn't gotten a chance to tow anything yet, cause this was all during the first hour I guess
of this thing happening. So there were still cars parked on the street that were completely
independent of that. Three cars blew up on me, stuff was being thrown. I went home all
bruised that day. Thank God it was only bruises. I just ran into this park along with a
bunch of other people, and stuff was still blowing up, I don't think I looked back, but you
couldn't see anything, everything was just black. I was running and I was falling over
people, cause people were crawling on the ground cause they couldn't see anymore. I
just kept on running north. I could smell water, so I just kept on running towards the
water, cause I knew that my coat was on fire, and I figured well, if I can see a boat over
the water, I'm just gonna jump onto the boat and take that thing to Jersey, cause no one
wants to blow up Jersey. Stuff is still blowing up behind me, as I'm running. I can hear
stuff exploding. I could hear rumbling, the street under me was moving like I was in an
earthquake. I've been in those, so I know what they feel like. It felt like an earthquake.
There was no where safe to go. As I was running north in this park, and then I could start
seeing again a little bit, and I just kept looking in the sky. Cause the captain was saying
P. ONDROVIC
there's another plane heading in our direction, I was looking for another plane. I saw
something in the sky, it was a plane, but it was way out. It looked like it was over Jersey
or something, then it wasn't there anymore. I saw a small fireball, and it was gone. I saw
two other planes. One came in one way, and the other came in the other way, and there
was a plane in the middle that was way far off in the distance. Then the plane in the
middle just disappeared into a little fire ball. It looked like the size of a golf ball from
where I could see it. And the other two planes veered off into opposite directions. I just
kept on running north. About fifteen blocks later, I had no idea that that was just the first
tower that had come down. I had no idea at that time that that's what that was, and the
other buildings were being affected, of course, by that building falling. I found another
ambulance, I believe it was the 08 Adam, because it was Valdivia and Jose Perez. Joseph
Valdivia used to be my partner on tour 3, and when I finally caught up to them, I told
them what was happening. I told them whatever you do, don't go back that way cause
they just blew up triage. I thought that they blew up our triage sector, cause that's where
the command was and everything. That was the only thing that I had to go by, everybody
that was there was gone. Cause a couple of the police officers that are now missing are
guys that I had known, and that's where they were. The paramedic from Cabrini, that's
where he was. I was just talking to him 20 minutes before everything blew up. I don't
know where he ran, I don't know if he ran the wrong way, cause I know I ran the right
way. If you ran the opposite way, you were dead. As I got like 15, 20 blocks away, now
I'm on the West Side Highway cause I came out of this park and I found the other
P. ONDROVIC
ambulance. I saw my ex-partner, and I said get in this thing and drive it to Westchester.
I told him get the hell out of the city. Get everyone was can get in this, I said #'s still
blowing up down there. Whatever you do, don't go in that direction, start driving north.
He was like, looking at me like I was insane. Cause I don't know if anyone saw what had
happened. All you could see was black smoke and that's all I can see at that point. Now
I'm in an area where all the reporters are coming up to me and asking what had
happened, and I said I don't thinking I'm allowed to talk about it. Cause I don't know
what happened, and I wasn't gonna tell anybody. You know, it was surreal, like it wasn't
really happening. So then an EMS Lieutenant comes over, he sees me standing with 8
Adam, and he says okay, you guys are gonna go three blocks south. I looked at him, and
I said are you out of your mind? I found another guy from 8 David, Charles Gschlecht
and we found each other as we were running. He couldn't find his partner, and I couldn't
find mine, so we kind of synched up together, cause at least we knew each other and it's
like, okay, we're okay. He said I can't find my partner. I said I can't find mine either, I
think he got blown the wrong way. This guy was telling me that his partner went back in
to help somebody, and that was the last we saw of either of them for awhile. That was
the last I saw my partner for six whole days, cause I didn't come back to work after that.
Q: Who was the lieutenant you saw, do you know?
A: Yeah, Bobby Deleon. Bobby Deleon comes up to me, and I know him
cause he used to be a union rep up in the Bronx when I worked up there a million years
P. ONDROVIC
ago, he tells us to take the vehicle, put me and Charles in the back of the vehicle and go
three blocks south. Charles told him, are you out of your mind? We're not safe where
we are, let alone three blocks south. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, I know. Get in the
ambulance and go three blocks south. At that point I got really upset. I said, do you
realize they just blew up our triage sector? Everybody back there is dead, everybody
back there is gone. There is no reason for us to go back there, we don't have the proper
protective equipment, we don't have the proper vehicles. There's no way I'm going back
there, there's no reason to go back. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, don't be hysterical, just
go back three blocks south. I'm not going three blocks south, he's not going three blocks
south, this ambulance is not going three blocks south. Sean started telling him we're not
safe where we are now, and we were fifteen blocks away. It was certainly not safe there.
He was the whole time saying.. .cause at that point I was screaming at him, cause he
wasn't in there. We were telling him what we saw, and he just wouldn't listen. Yeah,
yeah, 1 know.
hadn't realized that the first tower had fallen. f
After 1 found out what actually
P. ONDROVIC
happened, cause I found that out about a week ago, that that's what I ran from. So then, I
think it was an EMS chief, I'm not sure who it was. Now more people were starting to
come to this location, and he says okay, here's what we're gonna do.. .everybody's gonna
go back down that way on the West Side Highway, and it's okay cause we have a police
escort.
Q: Back south?
A: Back south on the West Side Highway, it's be okay cause we have a
police escort. I don't want any free-lancing, we're all gonna go back in a nice orderly
fashion. At that point my chest started to hurt, I couldn't breathe cause all I was
breathing in was this black crap, I started coughing up all this black crap, all this stuff
that looked like goo, and if I had to run another 15 blocks, I would have been dead.
There was no way I could do it. I saw Lieutenant Hanlon, who is a lieutenant out of this
station at that point, and I sat in the back of the ambulance. I started getting really scared,
and really upset, cause people were telling me to go back in and die. There was nothing
else they were telling me to do at that point, cause that was all that was gonna happen.
So I sat in the back of the ambulance, I was coughing up, I was coughing up. Everyone
kept asking me do you want oxygen? I was like no, I don't want it to get pushed down, I
want to bring it up. I took some cold water, I put it on my face, I tried to cough up into it,
and my chest really started hurting. Then my left arm started hurting, then the whole left
side of my body started hurting, and I was like no, there's no way this is gonna happen.
Lieutenant Hanlon came over to me and said are you okay? I said no, and I don't
P. ONDROVIC
know where my partner is. At that point I was crying cause I had no idea where my
partner was, I thought I was having a goddamn heart attack, and these people are telling
me to go back in. So then when this EMS chief said what we're gonna do I said no, I
have chest pain, I want to go to the hospital. So 8 Adam took me to the hospital, they
took me to St. Vincent's. At the time we were setting up, getting ready to take me out,
they took my blood pressure, which was a little high at the time, it's never been before in
my life, but I think that's a good time for it to be high.
Q: Did you take something?
A: They put me on oxygen, put me in the stretcher. As they put me in the
stretcher, somebody came over the EMS radio, said that the North Tower is leaning. As
we started driving off, we saw the second tower fall. As we're driving away, debris is
hitting the back of the ambulance. We were now about 20 blocks away, debris was
hitting the back of the ambulance as we were watching this thing come down, it was just
this huge cloud. It was me and Jose Perez in the back of the bus saying, I can't believe
we're seeing this. When we saw the towers start coming, I took the oxygen off my face,
me and Jose are yelling up to the front to Joe just drive. Put your foot on the floor and
drive, drive as fast as you can out of here, it's coming down. Joe was like, I know I see
it, and he had his foot on the floor, which meant we were going 30 miles an hour. Stuff
was still hitting the back of the ambulance. All I kept thinking of is if this much crap is
hitting the back of the bus and we're 20 blocks away, this lieutenant wanted us to go 3
blocks south, and I'm thinking what happened to everybody who listened to this chief
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and went back? I don't even know if they got a chance to go back. You know? Also,
after I was running, I remember running, and I remember somebody yelling on the radio
May Day, May Day, I'm trapped! Over the EMS radio. I was thinking May Day? That's
not a term we use, you know 10- 13 or 85 forthwith, but somebody's yelling May Day,
I'm trapped. Then you heard this loud buzz, and you didn't hear anymore transmissions
after that until I would venture to guess it was 20 minutes to a half our later, and the first
thing I remember hearing was somebody saying the North Tower is leaning. Within five
minutes of that statement, the second tower came down. I spent the rest of my day at St.
Vincent's hospital.
Q: Okay, is there anything else you would like to add to this?
A: I don't know if it matters, but I took the next three days off after that. I
okay with it until the lieutenant wouldn't listen to me, and would not understand that it
was dangerous to go back in. He wouldn't accept that from me or the other guy that was
with me. So I took the next three days off sick. During that time I went to see two
counselors, one that was set-up by the union. Cause needless to say, like everyone else in
the city, I did not sleep, I was having nightmares, I think the first full meal I ate was
. Then I went to go see an internist cause I started walking down the street
P. ONDROVIC
and all of a sudden, I couldn't breathe. I was trying to get back in the swing of things, 1
. His statements to two of my co-workers, as well
as a lieutenant was, it's part of the job. If I can't handle the job, I shouldn't have it. I
don't think what any of us responded to that day was part of anyone's job, let alone ours.
That was a military operation. Of course, what are you gonna do? It could have been my
day off. I could have been shopping at Border's Books. >
. I don't think anyone's ever been exposed to
something like this before here. Of course not, but we all know EMS has a high rate of
suicide. Not saying that that's gonna be my case cause no, I refuse, I wouldn't let
anybody push me to that corner.
Q: I'm glad to hear that.
P. ONDROVIC
A: But, this is what happens. This is one of the reasons that I pushed up my
resignation date a lot quicker. Cause I was trying to hold out for another 8 months, as
soon I can get another job I'm the hell outta here. It's not because of this event, cause
other events like this will happen whether I'm on duty or off, it's the way I've been
treated since.
Q: I thank you very much for speaking to me, the time is 7:08 and this
concludes the interview.
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File No. 9 1 10048
WORLD TRADE CENTER TASK FORCE INTERVIEW
EMT PATRICIA ONDROVIC
Interview Date: October 1 1, 200 1
P. ONDROVIC
CHRISTOPHER ECCLESTON: Today's date is October 11,2001. The time
is 6:48 AM, and this is Christopher Eccleston of the New York City Fire Department. I
am conducting an interview with the following individual.. .please state your name, rank,
title, and assigned command area of the Fire Department of the City of New York,
regarding the events of September 1 1, 2001.
PATRICIA ONDROVIC: Patricia Ondrovic, shield 1634, EMTD, assigned to
Battalion 8.
Q: Were you assigned to the World Trade Center disaster on September 11,
A:
Q:
A:
Q:
A:
Q:
A:
Vesey.
Q:
vehicle?
A:
Yes.
En route to the alarm, what did you see?
I saw the two towers burning.
On arrival, did any civilians report anything to you?
No.
Where did you park your vehicle when you arrived?
In the middle of Vesey Street between West and whatever is East of
On this map, can you indicate with a number 1 where you parked your
Um.. .it was on Vesey between West and the West Side Highway so, it
was, I'm not sure if it was this block or that block.
P. ONDROVIC
Q: Okay, just approximate and put a number 1.
A: I guess it was over here.
Q: Okay, and what vehicle were you in?
A: Vehicle 90.
Q: Vehicle 90. Whom did you first report to and where?
A: On Vesey and West, in the middle of the block, there was an EMS captain.
I never got his name, I don't know who he was. I said I was 07 Charlie, he said park it
over there. That was the last I saw of him.
Q: Were you given a specific assignment?
A: No. Stand by. Take the equipment out of the vehicle and stand by.
Q: Were you asked to assist any specific units?
A: No.
Q: Can you tell me what you did when you arrived at that location?
A: We took the stretcher and all the crash equipment out of the bus and we
formed up alongside one of the buildings on Vesey. I don't remember which number it
was. We were in a line of several other ambulances. Next to us was a St. Claire's
ambulance and a Cabrini Ambulance. I think there was only one other EMS ambulance
on that block at the time I was there. That was vehicle 350, 08 David. I didn't know a lot
of the people there, I didn't know the EMS captain that was there. There were no
patients that we could see at that point. I think they were trying to set up a triage in front
of the building that the ambulances were all parked at. I guess we were supposed to be
P. ONDROVIC
the first on the wave to take patients out, and there was a Tex-Mex restaurant across the
street. I went in to use the bathroom, that's where the Police were using their command
center. I saw a police captain that I knew, and he came out to me. He looked absolutely
terrified, he was shaking, he was pale, he was sweating. I looked at him, I said what's
wrong? He said there's another plane headed our way, and they just blew up the
Pentagon. I said, another plane? What are you talking about? I hadn't realized that
planes had hit this, I thought they just set bombs off. I didn't realize when I got there that
planes hit it. I said, what do you mean another plane? He said two planes hit the World
Trade Center. So I'm thinking a little Cessena. How can a little Cessena do all that
damage? He said no, 757s. I said big things? See I was there for about 25 minutes
before I knew that planes had crashed into this. We just got assigned to do stand-by. We
didn't know what the stand-by was. I mean, who thinks something like that? You just
think they hit it again. So I said, what do you mean there's another one headed this way?
He said, it's on the TV, there's a TV in there and it said that the Pentagon has been hit.
Then we all went outside cause they had on the police radio that there was another plane
headed in our direction, we all went outside and started looking up in the sky. Then the
EMS captain said everyone grab your equipment, get to your vehicles and stay with your
vehicles. My partner and I grabbed our stretcher, went to put it in the back of our
vehicle, and at that time, I think it was the lobby of the building behind us blew out.
Everybody started running, I didn't see him again that day. He got thrown one way, I got
P. ONDROVIC
thrown the other way. I started running towards the West Side Highway, and there was
another building on the corner, I guess it was a federal building, cause it was all the green
and gray uniforms with the Smokey the Bear hats, the cops in there. I went to run in the
lobby cause all of a sudden you couldn't see anything. There was smoke, there was
debris, there was everything flying around. I ran into the lobby cause I had no idea what
had happened and the cops that were in there were telling everybody get out, get out, get
out. Where are you gonna go? Stuffs blowing up. So I ran back out and I started
running west again. At that point, there was a car on the corner of I think I was here at
that point, on the West Side Highway.
Q: West Side Highway and Vesey?
A: And Vesey, yeah. I was still on Vesey, cause the building that blew up on
me was on Vesey, it was on the corner next to the West Side Highway. Cause I know I
was running west, I didn't run that way. Thank God, I would have been dead had I run
the other way. But I ran towards the West Side Highway, and I kept running up Vesey.
As I was running up Vesey, the first car blew up on me on the corner of Vessey and the
West Side Highway. That set my turnout coat on fire, that set my hair on fire, and that
set my feet on fire. I kept running. I got news for you, those turn out coats need to be
called burn out coats, cause this thing caught up in flames. They cut two inches off my
hair in less that two minutes, my coat was completely engulfed, and that was the only
way I could see where I was running at that point, because I had a glow from my coat.
P. ONDROVIC
There's hundreds of cops all running up there, and I ended up running through this park,
and I couldn't even see where I was running anymore. I kept running North.
Q: Through North Park?
A: I guess that's North Park. It's a big green, grassy area, and there's nothing
there. As I was running up here, two or three more cars exploded on me. They weren't
near any buildings at that point, they were just parked on the street. The traffic guys
hadn't gotten a chance to tow anything yet, cause this was all during the first hour I guess
of this thing happening. So there were still cars parked on the street that were completely
independent of that. Three cars blew up on me, stuff was being thrown. I went home all
bruised that day. Thank God it was only bruises. I just ran into this park along with a
bunch of other people, and stuff was still blowing up, I don't think I looked back, but you
couldn't see anything, everything was just black. I was running and I was falling over
people, cause people were crawling on the ground cause they couldn't see anymore. I
just kept on running north. I could smell water, so I just kept on running towards the
water, cause I knew that my coat was on fire, and I figured well, if I can see a boat over
the water, I'm just gonna jump onto the boat and take that thing to Jersey, cause no one
wants to blow up Jersey. Stuff is still blowing up behind me, as I'm running. I can hear
stuff exploding. I could hear rumbling, the street under me was moving like I was in an
earthquake. I've been in those, so I know what they feel like. It felt like an earthquake.
There was no where safe to go. As I was running north in this park, and then I could start
seeing again a little bit, and I just kept looking in the sky. Cause the captain was saying
P. ONDROVIC
there's another plane heading in our direction, I was looking for another plane. I saw
something in the sky, it was a plane, but it was way out. It looked like it was over Jersey
or something, then it wasn't there anymore. I saw a small fireball, and it was gone. I saw
two other planes. One came in one way, and the other came in the other way, and there
was a plane in the middle that was way far off in the distance. Then the plane in the
middle just disappeared into a little fire ball. It looked like the size of a golf ball from
where I could see it. And the other two planes veered off into opposite directions. I just
kept on running north. About fifteen blocks later, I had no idea that that was just the first
tower that had come down. I had no idea at that time that that's what that was, and the
other buildings were being affected, of course, by that building falling. I found another
ambulance, I believe it was the 08 Adam, because it was Valdivia and Jose Perez. Joseph
Valdivia used to be my partner on tour 3, and when I finally caught up to them, I told
them what was happening. I told them whatever you do, don't go back that way cause
they just blew up triage. I thought that they blew up our triage sector, cause that's where
the command was and everything. That was the only thing that I had to go by, everybody
that was there was gone. Cause a couple of the police officers that are now missing are
guys that I had known, and that's where they were. The paramedic from Cabrini, that's
where he was. I was just talking to him 20 minutes before everything blew up. I don't
know where he ran, I don't know if he ran the wrong way, cause I know I ran the right
way. If you ran the opposite way, you were dead. As I got like 15, 20 blocks away, now
I'm on the West Side Highway cause I came out of this park and I found the other
P. ONDROVIC
ambulance. I saw my ex-partner, and I said get in this thing and drive it to Westchester.
I told him get the hell out of the city. Get everyone was can get in this, I said #'s still
blowing up down there. Whatever you do, don't go in that direction, start driving north.
He was like, looking at me like I was insane. Cause I don't know if anyone saw what had
happened. All you could see was black smoke and that's all I can see at that point. Now
I'm in an area where all the reporters are coming up to me and asking what had
happened, and I said I don't thinking I'm allowed to talk about it. Cause I don't know
what happened, and I wasn't gonna tell anybody. You know, it was surreal, like it wasn't
really happening. So then an EMS Lieutenant comes over, he sees me standing with 8
Adam, and he says okay, you guys are gonna go three blocks south. I looked at him, and
I said are you out of your mind? I found another guy from 8 David, Charles Gschlecht
and we found each other as we were running. He couldn't find his partner, and I couldn't
find mine, so we kind of synched up together, cause at least we knew each other and it's
like, okay, we're okay. He said I can't find my partner. I said I can't find mine either, I
think he got blown the wrong way. This guy was telling me that his partner went back in
to help somebody, and that was the last we saw of either of them for awhile. That was
the last I saw my partner for six whole days, cause I didn't come back to work after that.
Q: Who was the lieutenant you saw, do you know?
A: Yeah, Bobby Deleon. Bobby Deleon comes up to me, and I know him
cause he used to be a union rep up in the Bronx when I worked up there a million years
P. ONDROVIC
ago, he tells us to take the vehicle, put me and Charles in the back of the vehicle and go
three blocks south. Charles told him, are you out of your mind? We're not safe where
we are, let alone three blocks south. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, I know. Get in the
ambulance and go three blocks south. At that point I got really upset. I said, do you
realize they just blew up our triage sector? Everybody back there is dead, everybody
back there is gone. There is no reason for us to go back there, we don't have the proper
protective equipment, we don't have the proper vehicles. There's no way I'm going back
there, there's no reason to go back. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, don't be hysterical, just
go back three blocks south. I'm not going three blocks south, he's not going three blocks
south, this ambulance is not going three blocks south. Sean started telling him we're not
safe where we are now, and we were fifteen blocks away. It was certainly not safe there.
He was the whole time saying.. .cause at that point I was screaming at him, cause he
wasn't in there. We were telling him what we saw, and he just wouldn't listen. Yeah,
yeah, 1 know.
hadn't realized that the first tower had fallen. f
After 1 found out what actually
P. ONDROVIC
happened, cause I found that out about a week ago, that that's what I ran from. So then, I
think it was an EMS chief, I'm not sure who it was. Now more people were starting to
come to this location, and he says okay, here's what we're gonna do.. .everybody's gonna
go back down that way on the West Side Highway, and it's okay cause we have a police
escort.
Q: Back south?
A: Back south on the West Side Highway, it's be okay cause we have a
police escort. I don't want any free-lancing, we're all gonna go back in a nice orderly
fashion. At that point my chest started to hurt, I couldn't breathe cause all I was
breathing in was this black crap, I started coughing up all this black crap, all this stuff
that looked like goo, and if I had to run another 15 blocks, I would have been dead.
There was no way I could do it. I saw Lieutenant Hanlon, who is a lieutenant out of this
station at that point, and I sat in the back of the ambulance. I started getting really scared,
and really upset, cause people were telling me to go back in and die. There was nothing
else they were telling me to do at that point, cause that was all that was gonna happen.
So I sat in the back of the ambulance, I was coughing up, I was coughing up. Everyone
kept asking me do you want oxygen? I was like no, I don't want it to get pushed down, I
want to bring it up. I took some cold water, I put it on my face, I tried to cough up into it,
and my chest really started hurting. Then my left arm started hurting, then the whole left
side of my body started hurting, and I was like no, there's no way this is gonna happen.
Lieutenant Hanlon came over to me and said are you okay? I said no, and I don't
P. ONDROVIC
know where my partner is. At that point I was crying cause I had no idea where my
partner was, I thought I was having a goddamn heart attack, and these people are telling
me to go back in. So then when this EMS chief said what we're gonna do I said no, I
have chest pain, I want to go to the hospital. So 8 Adam took me to the hospital, they
took me to St. Vincent's. At the time we were setting up, getting ready to take me out,
they took my blood pressure, which was a little high at the time, it's never been before in
my life, but I think that's a good time for it to be high.
Q: Did you take something?
A: They put me on oxygen, put me in the stretcher. As they put me in the
stretcher, somebody came over the EMS radio, said that the North Tower is leaning. As
we started driving off, we saw the second tower fall. As we're driving away, debris is
hitting the back of the ambulance. We were now about 20 blocks away, debris was
hitting the back of the ambulance as we were watching this thing come down, it was just
this huge cloud. It was me and Jose Perez in the back of the bus saying, I can't believe
we're seeing this. When we saw the towers start coming, I took the oxygen off my face,
me and Jose are yelling up to the front to Joe just drive. Put your foot on the floor and
drive, drive as fast as you can out of here, it's coming down. Joe was like, I know I see
it, and he had his foot on the floor, which meant we were going 30 miles an hour. Stuff
was still hitting the back of the ambulance. All I kept thinking of is if this much crap is
hitting the back of the bus and we're 20 blocks away, this lieutenant wanted us to go 3
blocks south, and I'm thinking what happened to everybody who listened to this chief
P. ONDROVIC
and went back? I don't even know if they got a chance to go back. You know? Also,
after I was running, I remember running, and I remember somebody yelling on the radio
May Day, May Day, I'm trapped! Over the EMS radio. I was thinking May Day? That's
not a term we use, you know 10- 13 or 85 forthwith, but somebody's yelling May Day,
I'm trapped. Then you heard this loud buzz, and you didn't hear anymore transmissions
after that until I would venture to guess it was 20 minutes to a half our later, and the first
thing I remember hearing was somebody saying the North Tower is leaning. Within five
minutes of that statement, the second tower came down. I spent the rest of my day at St.
Vincent's hospital.
Q: Okay, is there anything else you would like to add to this?
A: I don't know if it matters, but I took the next three days off after that. I
okay with it until the lieutenant wouldn't listen to me, and would not understand that it
was dangerous to go back in. He wouldn't accept that from me or the other guy that was
with me. So I took the next three days off sick. During that time I went to see two
counselors, one that was set-up by the union. Cause needless to say, like everyone else in
the city, I did not sleep, I was having nightmares, I think the first full meal I ate was
. Then I went to go see an internist cause I started walking down the street
P. ONDROVIC
and all of a sudden, I couldn't breathe. I was trying to get back in the swing of things, 1
. His statements to two of my co-workers, as well
as a lieutenant was, it's part of the job. If I can't handle the job, I shouldn't have it. I
don't think what any of us responded to that day was part of anyone's job, let alone ours.
That was a military operation. Of course, what are you gonna do? It could have been my
day off. I could have been shopping at Border's Books. >
. I don't think anyone's ever been exposed to
something like this before here. Of course not, but we all know EMS has a high rate of
suicide. Not saying that that's gonna be my case cause no, I refuse, I wouldn't let
anybody push me to that corner.
Q: I'm glad to hear that.
P. ONDROVIC
A: But, this is what happens. This is one of the reasons that I pushed up my
resignation date a lot quicker. Cause I was trying to hold out for another 8 months, as
soon I can get another job I'm the hell outta here. It's not because of this event, cause
other events like this will happen whether I'm on duty or off, it's the way I've been
treated since.
Q: I thank you very much for speaking to me, the time is 7:08 and this
concludes the interview.
Personally I think a database is a very good idea and look forward to seeing it, sorry I can not contribute. Also if you can get any contact detail
for any of em that would be grand, so I can send them x-mas cards. Good luck
Thanks for the input guys, the database is comming by very nice and as of now it has 267 people registered in it, after i make it public please give
input about missing data or if a person is wrongfully in the database so that he can be deleted.
actually I think the database is a great idea.
however subject to admins discretion of
content. don't know if I like the e-mail
thing or not though. as that leaves a person
pretty open to privacy invasion.
however subject to admins discretion of
content. don't know if I like the e-mail
thing or not though. as that leaves a person
pretty open to privacy invasion.
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Eh, i don't care who sends it and be sure it won't be logged .... i've spent 27 hours in front of the computer inputing data ... so spending another 15 to log mails ... not going to happen ...
As for addresses, phone numbers, e-mails of the people in the database, that will never happen at all because ... you can find that yourself over the internet ... plus that can create a flaw that can be exploited to take legal actions ...
Eh, i don't care who sends it and be sure it won't be logged .... i've spent 27 hours in front of the computer inputing data ... so spending another 15 to log mails ... not going to happen ...
As for addresses, phone numbers, e-mails of the people in the database, that will never happen at all because ... you can find that yourself over the internet ... plus that can create a flaw that can be exploited to take legal actions ...
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