Why Libya 2011 is not Iraq 2003

reply to post by USAisSatanic


Whats the special significance of the date Qaddafi started slaughtering his own people?

reply to post by SLAYER69


special significance relates to the attacks on Libya by West.

as for Ghaddafi ,it is collateral damage It was egyptian special forces destabilising eastern libya . the speed at which so called protesters seized munition depots in Benghazi was not possible for a common joe , much attacks need planning and loads of training .

that event itself was very fishy . and yes Libya was target for regime change and this was stated PNAC docs ,George Soros interviews and even General Wesley Clark .

Libya had best per capita GDP in Africa , which Ghaddafi gave them and look at how the fools have destroyed themselves . they will deserve the looting that west is going to carry out in name of freedom and democracy

Originally posted by MoneyRain
I was not in favour of the war on Iraq but I have to say I think what were doing in Libya is justified, as soon as people started being literally massacred indiscriminately in Benghazi, it became clear how literally insane Gaddafi is. As long as this no fly zone goes no further I support it, the liberation of Libya should be down to the Libyan people.

The 'War ON Iraq"? Funny, I thought it was called "Operation Iraqi Freedom" and we were there to remove the dictator we built up and supported. So we were 'liberating' the Iraqi... we were not at war with them. And now we are 'liberating' Libya.

And when we are done 'liberating' we will send in Halliburton to fix everything we blew up, for a small percentage of their oil production to cover expenses

I wonder who we will 'liberate' next?

Originally posted by HunkaHunka


I have to say, it does have a lot of similarities.

Yet at the same time, it does have a lot of differences... to the degree that they are not the same thing.

I for one am glad to see how this came about. I know that many don't follow that philosophy... but I'm glad there are organizations like the UN.... now only if we can get them to intervene in Darfur....

www.cnn.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

No they are not the "exact" same thing... but does it have to be? The color red is red no matter what shade it comes in. We can argue all day over weather the color is "scarlet red" or "crimson red".. but at the end of the day isn't it still the color red?

The Government has had MORE than ample opportunity to get involved in Darfur, they have refused. That crisis began back in 2003. Now all the sudden it is the world's job to protect people from another Government because he is "killing his own people". If killing your own people is all it takes to get other countries to come bomb another country, then why have we not bombed the leadership out of Darfur? Instead we looked the other way.

Human rights abuses in China is no big secret. It has been proven over and over and over again, even China does not deny the abuses. If anything they are proud of it. Why have we not bombed China? The Tiananmen Square protests happened in 1989. No one knows the exact death toll, but estimates range from 500-3000 people in one sweep. So tell me again why we have shown no aggression towards China?

Yet we went into Iraq and removed an elected leader from power because he had Weapons of Mass Destruction. Of course can anyone forget the biggest talking point that was parroted to us over and over and over and over again to draw public support? Anyone remember the lines, "He used these weapons on his own people" "He killed his own people"? Now we are bombing Libya because Gaddafi is "killing his own people". It is the same story, but a different script.

How much of a difference is there between Star Wars the movie and Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back? It is pretty much the same story, the Star Wars story, but it has two different scripts (details). No matter which one you watch, you still watched Star Wars. All this article is to me is a propaganda piece written to make an argument for why Libya is different from Iraq. Sadly, people will get all caught up in the script with the differences, and they will miss the bigger picture. They wont even notice that the story is the same.

Originally posted by Topato
reply to post by HunkaHunka

 

The U.N. serves rich, old, white males because behind the curtains it is run by rich, old, white males. Why would they invade Darfur? They inject children with vaccines that have HIV in order to control the black population in Africa.

Part of the Illuminati agenda is to make sure that powerful countries eventually crumble while keeping extremist regimes and non-whites under control. I'm sure if they could nuke all of Africa and South America without being caught, they would. But, since it's risky and a little too obvious, they have to kill masses amounts of people through stealth: toxic vaccines and other chemicals.

Happy 3rd illegal war America!

I am not sure about your conspiracy theories, however I can understand your annoyance, lets be honest crimes against humanity should be dealt with by death. Clearly Gadafi his family and cohorts are evil mothers and should be dispelled from the human race asap. Anyone who is prepared to kill innocents or does kill innocents should be sent back to the maker. Yes it is a sad corrupt old world.

reply to post by marsend


Do you feel as strongly that Bush and Obama should also be "sent to the maker"? The body count of innocents from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is very high and they are both responsible for it.

I love how the supposed liberals, left and democrats in general, are now all jingoists and war apologists. Hate to be so dividing, and spreading vomit-inducing rhetoric, but it's simply true. There would have been no excuse for this if America was still under Bush's term. The opposition would have been deafening. Now the silence is deafening.

We're literally bombing another country right now, willy-nilly. Cruise missiles, bombers, you name it. To think that ground troops will not be involved, is really naive. Gadhafi's military assets will be pushed into the city, and the coalition with have no choice but to either move in and neutralize them, or start bombing in civilian areas, which they have already done.

Let's not forget, all the people waking up to find their loved ones maimed and killed. I'm sure that sits well with them.

Honestly, I'm sick of it.

Frankly, the people saying crap about how this will not turn sour.. I've seen you all on these forums for a while now. You're very intelligent people (most of you), so you do know better. This is simply more of the same, just a complete shift in the paradigm, and showing the true colors of the supposed "peaceful left". You people hated Bush for so long (and rightly so) that you've now channeled the same evil for your own purposes.

Pinch me, for surely I am dreaming.

Originally posted by MrWendal
reply to post by marsend

 

Do you feel as strongly that Bush and Obama should also be "sent to the maker"? The body count of innocents from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is very high and they are both responsible for it.

Yes lets be honest, any corrupt official, or other prepared to cause genocide or kill innocents should be dealt with all the same, it is a real shame that humans are so devious and greedy, It would be nice to see real transparency in all their dealing after all there dealings affect so many including us. A criminal is a criminal regardless of the suit they choose to wear. and no we cannot eat money.

Libya is currently going through a political metamorphosis the like of which it has NEVER seen. The revolution which "freed" it from the control of King Idris I , and handed its current dictator power ,will be remembered as a mere tremor on the path to this true game changing uprising that we are seeing in our time.
This military action by the west is different from the action in Iraq in several important ways:

A) Its legal, and the war in Iraq clearly wasnt.

B) Libyians support this action, because without it they would die. In Iraq, only tiny portions of the nation were initialy accepting of the need for regime change, and not as many Iraqis were in any actual danger from thier leadership, as Libyans are in danger from theirs.

C) The Arab League, (until the bombs started dropping) were also supportive of the no fly zone over Libya, but at no time did the majority of Arab nations support the Iraq war, or any of its results.

D) In terms of international support, this Libyan action has recieved more support generaly, and is considered by the large majority of people around the world, to be necessary , righteous, and moraly supportable. In general, the Iraq war was one of the most widely contested in recent history, being debated by every news media talking head, politician, preacher, and remotely interested party around the world.

However, just as Prime minister Cameron said that Gaddafi will be judged by his actions rather than his words, the coallition, the alliance, the allied forces will be judged in this action, by how many preventable deaths occur as a result of it, and how deep into Libyas oil reserves any allied force or political machination manages to penetrate.

Originally posted by USAisSatanic
both wars were started on march 19 , March 19 is a date for pagan blood sacrifice to Moloch and Athena ,greek goddess of war

Moloch didn't accept blood sacrifices. Burnt offerings only. Among conspiracy lore its April 19, not March 19 for the Feast of Moloch. I can't find an actual source for any feast for any date though, so its probably crap someone like Pat Robertson came up with.

Quinquatria is the March 19-23 festival sacred to the Roman goddess Minerva (called Athena in Greece). Minerva is honored, though by different names, in the United States: Alma Mater, as seen at Columbia University and West Point. She is also honored as Lady Liberty. She can be seen on the United States Medal of Honor, at the US Library of Congress and on the painting the "Apotheosis of George Washington" inside the Capital Dome in Washington D.C. She is also seen on the Libertas Americana coin (1781).

In terms of personality, these two deities are complete polar opposites. The Roman gods abhorred human sacrifice. This played a role in the Punic Wars when Rome fought Carthage. The Carthaginians worshipped Moloch along with the burnt offerings of firstborn children to him. The Romans demonized the Carthaginians over this.

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Here's the Colbert Report, also top-notch:

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If we're all gonna die, may as well laugh while doing it.