Could Trump win???

The original question was not designed to solicit your personal feelings about Trump, nor was it to figure out what would happen if he should win. The question was, COULD Trump win?

And the answer is a dispassionate "No."

either way it is nice to see fresh blood in the ring

Originally posted by badgerman24
either way it is nice to see fresh blood in the ring

I agree with you there. Even if sone's purpose is simply to focus the debate on a particular question, it's a good thing--even if you would never vote for the guy.

The Donald is too egotistical to be The President. He is better suited as a candid presidential advisor than as a politcal personality who has to make the transition from the "art of the deal" to the "art of compromise" (which is one definition of politics....the other is "the pursuit and exercise of power"....which is why he wants to be The President.).

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To answer the question more directly...."Could he win?" OF COURSE, this is America where a kid born to mixed parents (and most likely in Kenya) can grow up to be President with very few knowing anything about him except for the last decade....who basically went from the state senate to the white house in less time than a full senate term. So, of course, anything is possible.....but it is not probable unless he has the full endorsement of the Republican Party (no Ross Perot or Bull Moose candidate) and it wouldnt hurt to have MSM and TPTB behind him (and that isnt going to happen). But you asked "could" not "would" and I have to be optimistic about America (but I am not naive).

Gotta love the Republicans going wild about Trump running in 2012. This is the party, of course, who constantly harps about fiscal responsibilty. Who better to run then a guy who has had to file bankruptcy more than 2 times? Let me also interject that he has more than once in the last 10-15 years stated how great the democrats are and has described himself as a liberal in the past. How embarassing for Americans would it be to have this a$$ trying to represent us in world meetings with folks like Merkel, Medevdev and Sarkosy? He has an enormous ego, and has foot in mouth disease that is like Joe Biden on steroids.

I honestly don't think we have much to be concerned about, especially since he has tried this "I may be running" stint three times in the last 20 years. Just another old fame whore trying desperatley to keep the spotlight as others slowly deem him irrelevant.


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Originally posted by CosmicCitizen
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To answer the question more directly...."Could he win?" OF COURSE, this is America where a kid born to mixed parents (and most likely in Kenya) can grow up to be President with very few knowing anything about him except for the last decade....who basically went from the state senate to the white house in less time than a full senate term. So, of course, anything is possible.....but it is not probable unless he has the full endorsement of the Republican Party (no Ross Perot or Bull Moose candidate) and it wouldnt hurt to have MSM and TPTB behind him (and that isnt going to happen). But you asked "could" not "would" and I have to be optimistic about America (but I am not naive).

I find myself regretting arguing with you because I agree with what you are saying, including your statements about Obama. You appear to be taking me to task because it is technically possible for him to win. I'm saying unequivocally, no, he cannot, whether it is technically possible or not. Given his time and place in America today I am saying there is no possible way he COULD gain the support he would need to a) gain the Republican nomination and b) Beat Obama in an election. That was the original question.

Trump's biggest problem is that he is well known where Obama was not. Obama could pretend he embodied hope & change when he did not. With the help of a fawning MSM media with pundits getting tingles down their legs he fooled a lot of people.The left rallied behind him. The right dithered, as usual, and the rest is history.

But we know Trump, the billionaire egotist with his own airplanes, helicopters, casinos, hotels, and trophy wives. He projects a picture of a very, very rich man who dabbles everywhere, now in politics. He has never been interested in politics before and has, indeed, given a lot more money to Democrats than Republicans, though this is not yet public knowledge. No one has ever accused him of wanting a career in public service, his Celebrity Apprentice charity giveaways notwithstanding.

He has absolutely no support on the left: Zero. He embodies, and would be a lightening rod to, what they hate. He also has little support on the right. He's seen as a johnny-come-lately to conservative ideals--abortion is just one issue--plus he's not seen as socially acceptable. What's left is the populist middle that wins elections, but Trump is from (Get a rope) New Yahk City! The Heartland is not going to go for him, He can put on coveralls and sit on a tractor if he wants, but he will be seen as another Edie Albert on Green Acres--not really seriously a farmer.

In short, Trump does not have the ability or the type of charisma to rally America around him. Listen to people like Herman Cain or Alan West or even, for that matter, Chris Christie. Even if you don't like these guys, you gotta admit they can rally a crowd. All three of them are fast on their feet and steadfast in their ideals. Trump is a dilettante, and that shows.

So, COULD he win? My revised answer: Technically, yes, but realistically, no way.

Definitely no. I can't see anyone even considering voting for him. What experience does he have? I shudder at the thought of the laws he'd pass. Imagine Obama, but 20x worse. I doubt he has any popularity in the Republican Party. He would merely be a distraction like Sarah Palin.

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On the experience level compared to Obama he would be about the same. Obama said himself when he won Senete that he was not experienced enough to run in '08.....