HAARP, Nibiru, or Chile-Haiti?

Hello ATSers!
It has been a while since I have posted here, life happened, you know...

But I always did come back here to follow on news and conspiracies, etc.

And for some time, we've been seeing reports, quite numerous, about weather patterns being extreme, how the Earth trembles and literally cracks open and, last but not least, how the Moon looks different in our skies.

Usual explanations are that there is a warming of the planet, or that it is shaking us for our spiritual growth, Nibiru is coming fast, HAARP is being used to modify weather patterns and create artificial earthquakes and again, etc.

I'm not saying that HAARP isn't being used to wage war or to modify weather patterns, or that Nibiru isn't out there.
I'm just saying that we are told the easiest answer is usually the correct one.

What I do not recall seeing as an explanation is the simple, following one: do you remember Chile's and Haiti's monstrous quakes?
We were told the Earth's Axis had shifted. Twice.

When those news were let out, I told my entourage that we would rapidly see weather patterns shift and that nothing would be the same anymore.

I mean, if we change the Earth's axis, the seasons are bound to change, no?

First, there was Haiti's earthquake (January 2010), that changed the axis, and soon after, there was Chile's one (March 2010), also changing the axis.
Two in a row, the second probably being caused by the first one's consequences... Then Russia burns, Eyjafjallajökull erupts and, well, you know the rest.

Correct me if I am wrong, but the distribution of the Earth's mass was in a state of "equilibrium", if I might say. Change it and the mass will try to correct itself over the course of its "new" rotation pattern, leading to more instability for a time, creating sinkholes, earthquakes in unusual regions and cracks and, consequently, weather changes because the ecosystem has changed its location in relation to the Sun...

And unless mistaken, if we change the Earth's Axis, it must also impact on the Moon, if only for changing our usual... point of view of it.
Many of us noticed that the Moon's crescent was an unusual horizontal smile last night, and some nights of the last few months saw weird Moon display, things that never happened before the beginning of 2010.

The days also got shorter for milliseconds, and while that seems minute, we are talking of energy lacking that adds up by the day. And the Sun IS a big power generator. So what is the Sun's output in milliseconds? It must still account for a lot.
Doesn't it contribute to change the weather?

So, in résumé, after both earthquakes, we have seen more volcanoes, extreme weather change, floods, more earthquakes in unusual places, sinkholes, enormous cracks appearing and the Moon not being seen as it was before.

Don't you think it is more likely that both quakes changed the world like we see happening today?

Thank you for your time.

Aresh

P.S.: I just thought, could it also impact our magnetic field leading to, or giving the impression of a magnetic pole shift?

life happened, you know...

Hey well done you finally got a life

reply to post by Aresh Troxit


Wow good read S&F also I consider the 3 gorges damn effects on the planet as well. I think it sped up our day a lil..

LOL Thanks RANDOMguess...

Yes, Ophiuchius 13, it must surely play a role. Obviously, I haven't put all the possible variables out there.
But it seems everything got screwed after those quakes...

Hahah just messin, good thread.

And unless mistaken, if we change the Earth's Axis, it must also impact on the Moon

Yeah well as you may know the moon is thought to have came about due to some sort impact and broke off to form what we know as the moon. And leaving the earth a 23.5 degree axis, and it is thought the moon is responsable for holding earth at that degree.

So if momentum from earth starts swaying the moon and pushes it in another direction, well then the moon will have the same effect on the earth but in reverse.

i get what your saying and I like it... seems "reasonable" enough so good job!

but the moon thing... i'm not trying to sound mean... or bash you

but what do you mean we had an odd moon last night?

I seen it... and there was nothing odd about it? havent you seen the moon like that before? I'm only 26 but i've noticed the moon "smiling" since I was very young...

the old sayings here relate the moon... when in crescent shape... to bowls of water...

last nights "smile" was a bowl of water full... meaning we will get rains... if the "smile" is tilted its already started raining... "the bowl is pouring out" and when its no longer a "smile" or a "bowl" it means the rains are over...

now this doesnt relate to "common" rain but rather drenching downfalls...

I didnt think much of the "old wives tale" until i looked for myself... and its actually pretty accurate

The moon is a strange celestial body...


but sorry didnt notice anything out of the ordinary with the moon... maybe I am missing something? but I think not...

reply to post by EvolEric


Hi and thanks. Well, about the Moon, it is the second time today, and count that as 2 times in my whole life, that I hear about the rain bowl...
I do not recall having seen the Moon that way in my whole life. Seriously. Of course, I haven't spent all my waking nights staring at it, but I had never seen it that way, except in pictures from other countries.

And I find it strange that at the same time I notice it, others do, also.

About a week ago, on friday night, the Moon was full, and it was bigger than usual. I had seen it big before, on the horizon, but never that big. I had threes and building to compare.


RANDOMguess - Yes, good explanation for the Earth-Moon relation. I even think that if the Earth tilted in a way, it will eventually tilt the other way before stabilizing. Just like a spinning-top. You give it a small push, and every X rotations, you will see it react as if still pushed. Adding a push to the Moon that pushes back... We could be in for a bumpy ride for some time.

reply to post by Aresh Troxit


...why laugh at me? I was nice to you...

I find it very funny that you never paid attention to the moon before I smoke and I'm a night owl and I smoke outside... Seen the moon "" at me more times than I can count... thats not conspiracy... that's natural

and yeah the moon is bigger cos its closer... last time it was this close was 1993

Check out this thread

and as far as people noticing it for the first time... there are 7billion people on this planet... of course its always gonna be the first time that a group of people decides to quit looking at their smart phone and look up... that happens everyday...

My advice is to look up more often and remember what you see that way the moon doesnt scare ya...

now... what do you mean entourage?

HI all, can't help but comment on the moon, just last night i noticed that the moon wasn't visable at the front of my house like it has always been it is now at the back. can't really put my finger on it but things just don't look right. Any body have any thoughts on what is going on ?

reply to post by EvolEric


Yikes! I didn't laugh at you! I was laughing at the fact that I had never heard about rain bowls before this morning, like I had never personally seen the Moon smile at me that way...

I used the word entourage to describe family members and friends.

I didn't know the Moon had cycles of getting close and far. I will check your link.

EDIT: I just checked the link about Moonageddon. I prey there won't be any clouds that day so we can take breathtaking pictures of it! In any case, thanks for the tip.

reply to post by diamonddave


Hello. I think, as I propose, that the change of axis has also changed our perspective of the Moon. It seems like a normal conclusion to me. One can't go without the other.
After all, the Earth and the Moon are part of the same micro-system in a lager one.

reply to post by Aresh Troxit


I am sorry, forgive me!

I thought you was being spiteful or something... I am truly sorry... I was bitter in my post back... I am sorry for that... but if you can get the context without the spite, then I stand by it lol

I've spent many a hour looking at the moon...

Last year I filmed it quite a bit... trying to get shots or it going across the sky and in and out of frame on my camera.... that way I could have stock footage for any future movies I make (non-pornographic amateur attempts at film making)

March 19th its gonna be really close! I cant wait to film it!

anyways other than my bickering with you over the moon... lol

I find what you posted to be very... insightful

reply to post by EvolEric


Thanks! I tried to find old pictures I took of the Moon a few years ago over a long period. I have so many CDs and DVDs filled with pictures of the sky and the Moon! I just have the bad habit of not identifying my discs contents...
I will have to go through all of them and try to make comparisons.

It would be nice to have the input of some who are versed in geology to see if Earth could be impacted as we see happening because of the earthquakes.

And don't worry about the misunderstanding. It happens sometimes!

I'm kinda new at posting, and I'm not quite sure how to quote a source. So I'll just do it this way:

NASA Details Indonesian Earthquake

NASA scientists using data from the Indonesian earthquake calculated it affected Earth's rotation, decreased the length of day, slightly changed the planet's shape, and shifted the North Pole by centimeters. The earthquake that created the huge tsunami also changed the Earth's rotation.

Dr. Benjamin Fong Chao, of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md. and Dr. Richard Gross of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. said all earthquakes have some affect on Earth's rotation. It's just they are usually barely noticeable.

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Chao and Gross have been routinely calculating earthquakes' effects in changing the Earth's rotation in both length-of-day as well as changes in Earth's gravitational field. They also study changes in polar motion that is shifting the North Pole. The "mean North pole" was shifted by about 2.5 centimeters (1 inch) in the direction of 145º East Longitude. This shift east is continuing a long-term seismic trend identified in previous studies.

They also found the earthquake decreased the length of day by 2.68 microseconds....

Now, granted that this is NASA--a source that's ashes in the mouth of many in these parts. And that this was the Indonesia quake (which I think was bigger than both Haiti and Chile). But the point is that we're talking about mere microseconds and shifts of approximately 1 inch here! Hardly sufficient to bring the moon closer or tip it from near-vertical to near-horizontal--nor to cause it to rise and set in different latitudes and at different than usual times.

Furthermore: I have one of those National Geographic moon posters on my wall--the exact same one that was on the wall behind Lou Grant in the old Mary Tyler Moore Show (actually I've only had mine since 1976). Note the following factlet from that very poster:

As seen from Earth's mid-northern latitudes the moon rises in the east and sets in the west. It rises with its north pole at the top, but tilted to the left. As it crosses the southern sky its axis becomes vertical; then the north pole tilts to the right as the moon sets. To an observer in the earth's southern hemisphere the moon rises in the east with its south pole at the top, tilted to the right; crosses the northern sky; and sets in the west with the south pole inclined to the left. The degree of tilt varies with the season and the latitude of the observer.

I've been seeing a lot of these "Whoa! Strange Moon" threads lately, and I assure you the moon is not gyrating and wobbling crazily around the sky. I'm sure if you check the tide tables, the tides predicted 10 years ago for this date will match exactly with the tides observed on this date.

Seriously guys!

reply to post by Ex_CT2


Hi there! Thanks for the precisions.

Just to clarify, I don't think the Moon is going all berserk, as I say, If Earth has changed shape ( is it precised somewhere as to what changed in the shape? ) and so on, it could make us see the Moon differently, because our POV will change.
Like I say, I haven't seen everything, far from it, but I find it strange, or funny, that at the same time I find the Moon to be strange, a lot of other people find the same thing...

Coincidence? Maybe.

But aside from the Moon, do you think it possible that both quakes mentioned in the OP could have triggered some kind of chain reaction?
If an earthquake can change the shape of the planet, tilt it and change the rotation, imagine for an instant all the pressure that was imposed on the plates.
There must be a lot of pressure still waiting to release itself somewhere...

EDIT: And as you say yourself, how much can we really rely on NASA's info?...

reply to post by Aresh Troxit

I'm not real sure I'm following entirely what you're saying. I've no doubt whatsoever that there has been a tremendous increase in volcanoes, earthquakes, and just general chaos in the planet lately. As to whether earthquakes release more pressure in the plates or create more pressure I don't think has ever been settled. It may not even be a legitimate question, for all I know. And I don't think there's any clarity on how or whether any of that affects the magnetic poles. My understanding is that they tend to wander anyway, sometimes much more pronouncedly than others.

As to how any of that affects our perception of things, such as the position and/or condition of other objects in our common space: [shrug].

But to be completely truthful, some 2 or 3 years ago, I remember looking at the moon and having this strange feeling of almost unfamiliarity. I couldn't find anything objectively wrong, or out-of-whack, but it actually sent me on a search around the internets for anything strange that may have happened. That's when I first noticed that other people were experiencing that same feeling of... I don't know... foreboding or something. I actually had to find the same kind of calming stuff I posted earlier just to reassure myself.

End of self-revelation.

reply to post by Ex_CT2


Hello Ex-CT2,

Thanks for the honesty concerning the Moon!

I think the overall change we perceive about the Moon is happening so slowly that pretty much everyone won't notice. Or will believe the official story that "all is well and as it was before!"...

We have been lied about so many things by so many governments and corporations/organizations that I tend to be very critical of their sayings.

In fact, I have seen the excuse of "all is as before" pop up on various threads and different topics and even MSM since about a year or so. A new tactic against truth seekers? ( I'm not accusing you of being disinfo, by the way! )

If there were major quakes in the last years that moved, changed and or tilted the Earth in anyway, and "TPTB" kept silent on it, they easily could have anticipated that other quakes would soon be the last drop to tip everything off, and begin planting disinfo of "all is as before", before things tip off noticeably, to serve as a credible source; it would be years old, and serve for a time, at least...

Of course, I have no proof of that, it is only speculation, BUT; We know our "leaders" can lie, are used to plan, and we even accuse them of being part of a conspiracy that goes way back in the past; they would know how to do their job, then...

What I can say from observation about where I live is that seasons are changing in intensity and timing, in the sense that they do not happen at the moment that we were used to expect them.

In support of my idea, TPTB themselves tell the tale of Pangaea. It fractured and moved, and the plates are going to collide on the other side... We can't believe we are to escape this fact; the past is at least a proof of an ever changing Earth. And all that change CAN'T all be smooth and easy-going. It would be nice, but it is a violent process, alas.

And I think we are in one of them violent change. And it happens violently because the Earth is like a building. Move a few support, and you'll get a decent tumble on your head. And since we have been told about two quakes that changed things, if only minimally, they might have no choice but to tell us, because we will begin to notice on a grander scale. Probably because the last to quakes mentioned in the OP were the last drop.

And what about Australia and Japan's last ones? Will we also hear it changed something? ( I'll admit I do not particularly follow like a fan the quakes in the world... )

And my question about the "stored" pressures in the plates is a pertinent one because when you compress different parts slowly, together, you will see crunching of parts by denser ones, and a build up of pressure in identical density materials, until it all pops out, violently, even more so when the pressures are unevenly distributed. Why would it be different on Earth?

Add to that the rotation of the planet, and you can surely amplify the potential of these events to come.

With all that being said, I don't want to sound like someone bringing dooming news, but only offer an alternative to HAARP and Nibiru as an explanation to the changes we see and hear about.

Thanks for your time and interest in my thread!

PS: If you find parts of what I'm saying unclear, I'm sorry. English ain't my native tongue, so I could be writing things like I would in my native one...

reply to post by Aresh Troxit

Ah. Yes, I was beginning to suspect that English was not your native language. (No criticism intended.)

I see much better what you are getting at now. I've heard discussions in the past about whether earthquakes relieve pressure or increase it somewhere else. I believe that one theory is that the plates float on a liquid-like substrate, and therefore there is no mechanism by which the pressure would build up; but that there are merely tremendous crashes and grinding between the plates sometimes. Others have other theories and opinions, but I don't think anyone really knows. To my mind, any theory is as valid as another on this question. All I'm saying is that there are many factors that can contribute to earth-chaos. I saw a thread here last night about the current "opposition" of Jupiter and Saturn. An "opposition" means that they are on opposite sides of the sun, with Earth and Moon in between; the upshot being that this contributes much to the current earth-changes.

Other theories include the many Christian believers who claim that all the craziness right now--including, of course, all the geological disasters--are fulfillment of Prophecy from the Bible, with all that entails (Armageddon, Judgment Day, Christ's return, etc., etc., etc.). God's will... Who knows?... Could be.

As for TPTB: I personally don't believe that they are as powerful and all-knowing as many think; that they are playing it as it comes, just like the rest of us; that they are merely much better situated to take advantage and manipulate every situation. If this is all God's will, as the Christians believe, maybe the more execrable examples of the TPTB will all fall between a couple of crashing plates and be destroyed with all their money and greed and power in one great bloody spectacle that the rest of us get to see and cheer about--one last big show before we all meet our doom, maybe. Well, why not?

But when it's all said and done, I do agree that something seems strange with the moon. Because of the weather and viewing conditions here I haven't seen it much in the past few months. But when I do see it, I still get that feeling of an eerie, harsh, unfamiliar thing. And yet, objectively, I still can't find anything wrong! For most of my 60 years of life I absolutely adored the moon. I loved looking at it; it felt like an old trusted friend. And now it looks strange and distant, and it no longer has any magic. Sad.

Well, good luck to you, my friend. And thanks for the opportunity to finally say what was on my mind.

reply to post by Ex_CT2


Hi! Missed you by so little! I fell asleep after logging in...

Anyway, I think it was the Earth changes that impaired my speech ability...

I have been also plagued by the cloudy days and night without much respite in the last few months. And when I do see the Moon, I too feel that something is different.

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I think the idea of the plates having no pressure because they float isn't sound because the Earth is a closed sphere, and if the pressure goes down, it will pressurize the liquid, but only to such a point. Volcanoes would act as "pressure release valve" for the liquid, but there would still be much pressure left from the sideways push, creating earthquakes.

And today, I had a thought; Was the change of hour, that is coming this week-end, and changed only a couple of years ago, to accommodate for a significant change that couldn't be hidden anymore? With the usual bogus explanation?...

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Also, concerning TPTB, we should not forget that in the end, they are a body of government that inherited knowledge from a previous government and so on. Through history, even when someone was invaded, knowledge was as much a treasure as gold, and that knowledge was kept. Think of Operation Paperclip...
So at some point, with all the transmissions, they have to know things, even if there are no secret societies behind, scheming and scheming.
Either way, the result is the same, and they created safe places for themselves at OUR expenses. They are guilty of abandoning us to the situations they consciously created or whatever else that may happen.

Prophecies... I class them in two. One is about "spontaneous", or inspired visions, with no prior knowledge of what is revealed and the second one is about a knowledge hidden in some kind of riddle to transmit through the generations without people understanding the true meaning unless they have the key for the comprehension.
A prophet has the same definition as a scientist; to make a prediction that can be verifiable... I think some of the old prophets were in fact scientists of the old world that told of the periodicity of cosmic events that happen every few millennium or so. These events could be the trigger for Earth changes as we know it happened regularly in the past.

Unless we have been lied about, and the world is only 6000 years old and we ARE in the End times... And we know we have been lied about... so...

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I won't expand too much on the following, but before 5 years of age, I had a series of visions, and they all seem to be happening now. If what follows resembles what I have seen, the few of hundreds of thousands of people that will survive throughout the world will live in a devastated new world. Not much will remain intact.

I prey it doesn't happen.

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I'm now going to bed as it is 4:30AM and my body aches in the joints now, LOL.

See you!