More riots in Europe!

Former Socialist Republic of Yougoslavia was so much better than that mediocre system that "developed" from the breaking of the country. It was politically distant from the Soviet socialist block, more '"free", yet workers and peasants had a decent living, womens and mens had equal rights. More importantly, there were little racial and religious tensions between all subgroups. But "democracy" was so appealing to them back in the early '90s.

I know that recently in Croatia the government selected a bunch of rich, pro-EU croatian families to give them monopoly over the land and some special State financing. Then they turned the police into a paramilitary force, trained and armed by US or German standards, and invade the streets with corporate propaganda. Here's your democracy! This is typical imperialist politics.

Although Croatia turned out to be in better shape than war-torned Bosnia, Serbia and Albania, they still got conned by NATO big tine.

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I couldn't agree more,

@donhuangenaro
Yes i do agree with you. I don't like EU too much but it got few good sides.
I didn't want to write about EU too much because this topic could go in wrong direction.

@Douriff
I wrote that war veterans did try to calm down this group but i don't blame them for continuing the fight.
If im right our ex prime minister declared that protests with more than 24 people can not be held on St. Mark square. Same ex prime ministar that is in prison now! Also its important to mention that they banned protests from this square because protesters protested almost every day. I remember unhappy workers refusing to eat until politicians decided to help them.
I guess politicians got enough of unhappy people so they decided to move them out of their line of sight.

Originally posted by Echtelion
Former Socialist Republic of Yougoslavia was so much better than that mediocre system that "developed" from the breaking of the country. It was politically distant from the Soviet socialist block, more '"free", yet workers and peasants had a decent living, womens and mens had equal rights. More importantly, there were little racial and religious tensions between all subgroups. But "democracy" was so appealing to them back in the early '90s.

I know that recently in Croatia the government selected a bunch of rich, pro-EU croatian families to give them monopoly over the land and some special State financing. Then they turned the police into a paramilitary force, trained and armed by US or German standards, and invade the streets with corporate propaganda. Here's your democracy! This is typical imperialist politics.

Although Croatia turned out to be in better shape than war-torned Bosnia, Serbia and Albania, they still got conned by NATO big tine.

edit on 27/2/11 by Echtelion because: (no reason given)

yep, glad to see someone sees the truth... it was the plan from the beginning: make them hate each other, make them kill each other... then, make them destroy their economies and then we will 'save' them by buying/privatize the entire country for a few cents...

they wanted to privatize natural water supplies recently (Croatia is 4th with natural spring water in this region), but 'luckily' Croatian church intervened and the deal was off...

how bad is that?

Originally posted by Ellen15

I still stand behind what i said before. Calling protesters hooligans or extreme right/left winged is just poor attempt to break current unity of protesters against politicians.

Its the western way to do that

Cant have a population agreeing with those who are protesting and joining them now, must make them fear the protesters

Like I said its the western way.

NO, it's the elite's who try and pull your strings into thinking that it's the 'western way'.
Something they've been doing ever since the Roman's raped, looted and pillaged there way across Europe many moons ago.
The current bunch of clowns just try and continue the 'work' from those times in their own trend to match the tech of the times.

Originally posted by donhuangenaro

Originally posted by Echtelion
Former Socialist Republic of Yougoslavia was so much better than that mediocre system that "developed" from the breaking of the country. It was politically distant from the Soviet socialist block, more '"free", yet workers and peasants had a decent living, womens and mens had equal rights. More importantly, there were little racial and religious tensions between all subgroups. But "democracy" was so appealing to them back in the early '90s.

I know that recently in Croatia the government selected a bunch of rich, pro-EU croatian families to give them monopoly over the land and some special State financing. Then they turned the police into a paramilitary force, trained and armed by US or German standards, and invade the streets with corporate propaganda. Here's your democracy! This is typical imperialist politics.

Although Croatia turned out to be in better shape than war-torned Bosnia, Serbia and Albania, they still got conned by NATO big tine.

edit on 27/2/11 by Echtelion because: (no reason given)

yep, glad to see someone sees the truth... it was the plan from the beginning: make them hate each other, make them kill each other... then, make them destroy their economies and then we will 'save' them by buying/privatize the entire country for a few cents...

they wanted to privatize natural water supplies recently (Croatia is 4th with natural spring water in this region), but 'luckily' Croatian church intervened and the deal was off...

how bad is that?

yeah... a shame that people have to rely on the Church for safekeeping their natural rights to the land (and waters). Better than nothing, but how much better?

The Greek insurgents get it right, I wonder why Croatians and Serbians don't seem to get along too much with this crowd. Maybe it's just the language barrier. At least there's still room for improvement, maybe...

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Sounds like a pretty good description of what is going down.

A lot of very evil people have managed to seize power around the globe over the last decade.

Also people, Im still divided on what to expect from protests?

Look what happens - a lot of aggressive people that would kill, rape, steal. I could not believe that anyone from first lines next to police have anything normal in their head.

Really, how to overthrow government? Look Egypt, did they acomplished anything? I'm just not that sure - military now rules country and actually anybody can become new leader.

Lets take for another example. I personally dont think that is possible for people to take over some country. Think for a second - what can stop world leaders to simply kill few million of people? Really, what can stop them? Do they care? No, they don't.

What could stop world leaders from blasting millions if they see that they lost control over some area? I think they would blast that region killing millions.

Im just still divided on what to expect. They killed millions, and they will kill millions, what can stop them? Protests? Im just not so sure about that.

Originally posted by Echtelion


The Greek insurgents get it right, I wonder why Croatians and Serbians don't seem to get along too much with this crowd. Maybe it's just the language barrier.

...it was the information barrier/manipulation that make us go against each other, and the consequence is that we don't trust Serbians any more and vice versa...

will this make us come close together?

I doubt it... a lot of people on both sides are still hating each other for what happened here recently...

Originally posted by poet1b
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Sounds like a pretty good description of what is going down.

A lot of very evil people have managed to seize power around the globe over the last decade.

Most Serbs are very good historians, well cultured people, even if they are poor... get a talk with some of them, you'll understand many nasty little secrets about Europe.

Originally posted by ferumbra
Also people, Im still divided on what to expect from protests?

Look what happens - a lot of aggressive people that would kill, rape, steal. I could not believe that anyone from first lines next to police have anything normal in their head.

...

You should ask yourself why is that? Why are they angry?
Well if they would kill, rape, steal then they would be pretty happy in Croatia. Police goes easy on that kind of people. So they wouldnt have reason to be angry, they would enjoy here.

I know it sounds harsh but just other day, a man that raped four kids between age of 4 and 10 got ONLY 8 YEARS OF PRISON!
And this protesters could end up in prison for 3 years! Lets talk about justice in Croatia

Dario isn't it fair to say that this is mainly a nationalist / rightist protest? I mean whenever war veterans are involved it is 90% sure that you have 'uber' patriots and at least some of them will be making intolerant statements about other ethnic groups. And the hooligans (some of them football hooligans) that came later on again have very nationalist sympathies.
Isn't one of the main reasons these war veterans and their supporters are protesting is because a suspected Croatian war criminal Tihomir Purda will be extradted from Bosnia to face trial in Serbia?
Among so many Croatian flags and nationalist heros, I don't see many legitimate demands from ordinary Croatian people.

For the extreme politics, unsympathetic demands and hooligan elements I can't support this protest, although I understand why people feel frustrated.

They should be attacking the government for legitimate reasons, not because the government is not seen as nationalistic enough.

I would expect riots to start in Ireland as well, seeing how the IMF wants about 80% of their taxes to go towards paying down the debt (that the IMF loaned them to prop up their crooked banks)

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GOOD FOR YOU CROATS!! ONLY way for real freedom is to fight for it these days!!

All people yearn to be FREE.

My prayers are with the people of Croatia.

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Thank you for sharing this with us Dario, we are all there with you in the struggle. Keep posting!

Second line for the mods that want to # with this..

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I think that major city square is prominent enough, safer and more spacious. I know about ex PM decision - which is why st Marco place has a symbolic impact. But this is not a time for wild outbursts of rage and primitive acts. We had enough of violence in our recent past.
In the first place, various groups of protesters should make clear and articulate particular demands, which I haven't seen, yet. Political opposition is also suspiciously quiet, which is really annoying. Without any clear plan, idea, demand or manifesto of where we are heading and what we really want - demonstrations are dangerous and leading to chaos.
This is the reason why I (and many other people) don't want to take part in any of this mess.

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The system is starting to collapse. The GDP versus Energy ratio end game is starting to cause friction.
As energy becomes more expensive, its harder for countries to keep their GDP above their debt payments.

I am an Architect and Engineer and have been working on bio-domes for the last year now. There are 2 being build. One in Sweden and another in Australia. I designed them with some people that are involved in Architects without Borders and Engineers without Borders.
BTW these 2 organisations have sprung up more recently in response to the global crisis.

Whats a BioDome ? It simple. Its provides the following 4 things everyone needs in a closed energy cycle.
1 Shelter
2. Food
3. Energy
4. Community

I think that people are going to want to get off the rat race grid and go back to a more sustainable closed energy cycle.

I want people to realise that me and many many others are doing something about all this # going down around us. We can change the "system". We have to separate from the old one and make a new one running along side it. I tried to change it from the inside - its 100% pointless. And based on the level of voting among the young these days, more are also in the same feeling.

"Aurora development" is what have called this, and its part of a bigger project called "Resilient Communities".
There is nothing at all on the web about "Aurora development". Its CAD, engineering, specifications and physics at this stage and we have not had time to get anything online.
Also we dont want to present anything that is a false start. There have been way too many of those.
We are 90% certain that the current design will easily be closed energy and greater than 5 times energy out than In as far as lifecyle and embodied energy goes.

I am so sick on the way the system works and glad to get off it myself too

The news today was gloating about Libya's leaders assets being frozen. TPTB are finding ways to confiscate Gadaffis money, property and other possessions. Same was done with Mubarak (has he dieed yet ?)

Now if these protests in Europe were to gather momentum, and since they are fueled by anger at greedy bankers, I don't see why those same greedy bankers cannot have their assets frozen by whomever takes over.

I think if any group was to promise to it's followers that they would chase any person they think profited from the economic scam perpetrated upon the masses they would get the backing of those masses.

Cant everyone see its all part of the plan for the NWO, they want to bring us all to our knees, kill a few off in the demonstrations that wont bother them, the problem is whats next? all I know is somehow we have to try and ride this out, stock up as much as possible, try to pay bills best you can and get ready to manage without things, (power, water, ect.) we have been spoilt since the last wars and now we cant have everything we want because its not sustainable any longer. Fuel prices are hitting all time highs, i'm really worried about paying the coming bills due next month. I wont join any protests there are too many idiots out there causing trouble for no reason, and they are probably paid to do so.