Is ATS Supporting Ignorance Concerning Chemtrails? I think so.

Originally posted by KAOStheory
Someone mentioned proof, as in air samples. Great idea. Anyone have access to a high enough rooftop in an area being sprayed? Send me the sample my good friend is in school for biology they can make it a class project so there can be objectivity on both sides, and they can film the whole process, then we can post the results, and if/when ATS moves it regardless of the outcome we'll know what's up.

Been done several times and ATSers won't accept the findings saying they don't come from a reliable source. The problem is there is no one out there doing these tests (just on the fuel alone/you don't need air quality). I know I saw somewhere that someone said that commercial fuels were tested but not military. I would love to see that in journal form, but of course it won't happen.
More needs to be done about this phenomenon before something does happen. It would be fantastic if this were a myth, but its like this - if they can dig to prove Ancient Egypt existed (it was buried and people didn't believe it then just like Atlantis or these chemtrails for that matter) then they can test all existing fuels to be certain they are not doing anything illegal.
Oh and for those who have never seen crop dusting, it is not done at high altitude levels. It is done very close to the crops. Try another logic please.

reply to post by dplum517


Chemtrails rank right up there with HAARP conspiracies and alien abductions. I read the threads, have a good laugh, and move on to something else. There's just no realistic evidence of chemtrails. Cloud seeding is different and has been experimented with since the 40's. But what's more probable: government planes spraying chemicals in broad daylight or dense contrails that take a good while to disperse? Again, I've had a good laugh and now I'm moving on.

Had to add Atlantis to the laugh list.

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YES.....(>sigh

reply to post by purplemer


Ok my mouth is open ready to insert foot when you find that thread...so the whole part about the testing was BS too? Cmon gugys who here can actually get up off the couch and go test the air?

Agree to the Nth degree OP.

Want to know how to spot THE biggest and most highly guarded conspiracies of all?

Watch the amount of debunking and ridiculing which takes place upon the subject matter.

When a subject and anyone discussing it are fervantly attacked each and every time, and anyone discussing its possibilities are referred to as "nut-jobs", "delusional", "paranoid", etc., you know you are onto something. Read the C.I.A. protocol for dealing with stifling discussion about highly sensitive material and subjects. There are methodologies right here on this very site being employed by certain members that will actually make you laugh out loud when you read the protocol outlined by spook agencies. It's straight out of disinfo 101.

3 hugest examples here on ATS---9 / 11, Aliens & UFOs, and THIS SUBJECT. Take a peek at virtually ALL the threads, and who the most prolific posters and ridiculers are on them, then draw your own conclusions.

Keep fighting the good fight people.

reply to post by dplum517


I'm very pleased to see you made this thread, I live under a HAARP corridor so I see all the geoengineering, anyone who could see what I see here and watch how it plays out through the day would be left in no doubt whatsoever that this is geoengineering. Why is it that all the planes go away for a few days and then return again? It's things like this that give it away.

From what I've observed I'm 100% certain this is geoengineering, this is something that ATS needs to wake up on. I'll be gathering together photographs as this is a battle that's being lost

Originally posted by kdog1982
Is there a post on here about flu shots?
Because I do not believe in giving out antibiotics
and what ever,but can't covience the wife otherwise.
Maybe why they allways get sick and I don't.
I dunno

antibiotics kills all the good stuff and it takes a year for it to return. Infections are more likely to return after the use of antibiotics rather than if we had recovered naturally

Originally posted by KAOStheory
Someone mentioned proof, as in air samples. Great idea. Anyone have access to a high enough rooftop in an area being sprayed? Send me the sample my good friend is in school for biology they can make it a class project so there can be objectivity on both sides, and they can film the whole process, then we can post the results, and if/when ATS moves it regardless of the outcome we'll know what's up.

not that trying to take samples is a bad idea, but taking them near ground level is a bad idea. Any contaminates from factories and auto traffic will be airborne and will affect your samples. The only way to truly know what is in the con trails everyone think are chemtrails would be to take a sample at altitude. Chadwicus did a thread where a study was done on contrails, and the data was presented. The problem is, people cannot agree on what a chemtrail is. If they could, they could rent a plane and take air samples and blow the lid off of this conspiracy. the fact that nobody has done it, leads me to believe that everyone is afraid of finding out they have been lied to.

I find it nothing short of amazing that despite such a plethora of official documentation regarding aerial chemical dispersion this topic is shrugged so ignorantly. Sure, you can argue which trails are actually chemically laden (versus normal commercial exhaust), who's doing the spraying, and why. But if you look at all you'll find plenty of documentation showing this to be done by various agencies for various reasons, and given how people dismiss the blatantly acknowledged there certainly is left a door wide open for far more sinister exploitation of this technology.

You'll find DOE, NASA, and DOD acknowledgement of chemtrails for:

Geoengineering (flood/draught avoidance, weather optimization...)
Anti-Geoengineering (AGW counter measures, pollution simulations...)
Weapons simulations (chemical attacks, biological attacks, fissile dispersion...)
EMF shield (natural EMF such as that from solar & earth interactions, unnatural EMF such as EMF weaponry)

Originally posted by MallardDuck
I watch the chemtrails make it snow in michigan almost everyday. My question is, if they are trying to help us fix global warming then how would they combat an ice age and save us from that?

Personally though, i think that chemtrails are just to modify the weather for motives of TPTB that we don't know enough about to reasonably draw a specific conclusion. They could be changing the weather and at the same time poisoning us with chemicals, they could also be using biological based attacks(viruses, cells, etc), it could be for them to assist in HAARP, it could be to protect us, for me there's too many unknowns to say.

Exactly, they can bring rain where they want to, droughts, hurricanes. Some of what they are currently doing is testing, but they have also started to cause floods e.g. Pakistan. This is part of Agenda 21. Eventually they want an excuse to move us all away from the countryside, they will create floods wherever they don't want us to live. We will be begging them to move us, but all along the plan is written in Agenda 21 on the UN website

Originally posted by DaWhiz

Originally posted by KAOStheory
Someone mentioned proof, as in air samples. Great idea. Anyone have access to a high enough rooftop in an area being sprayed? Send me the sample my good friend is in school for biology they can make it a class project so there can be objectivity on both sides, and they can film the whole process, then we can post the results, and if/when ATS moves it regardless of the outcome we'll know what's up.

Been done several times and ATSers won't accept the findings saying they don't come from a reliable source. The problem is there is no one out there doing these tests (just on the fuel alone/you don't need air quality). I know I saw somewhere that someone said that commercial fuels were tested but not military. I would love to see that in journal form, but of course it won't happen.
More needs to be done about this phenomenon before something does happen. It would be fantastic if this were a myth, but its like this - if they can dig to prove Ancient Egypt existed (it was buried and people didn't believe it then just like Atlantis or these chemtrails for that matter) then they can test all existing fuels to be certain they are not doing anything illegal.
Oh and for those who have never seen crop dusting, it is not done at high altitude levels. It is done very close to the crops. Try another logic please.

edit on 24-2-2011 by DaWhiz because: add on the fuel

you should take the initiative to form a group and test the fuel. At least you can learn once and for all that it's not in the gas. I could explain why, but I don't want to taint your study. If you file a lawsuit, you may be able to take samples from military sources and test them. I know when I worked on the Flight line in the USAF, it was very easy to obtain fuel samples. the engines leaked it out, it spilled a bit when fueling, and you could drive right up to the fuel barn and ask for a jar to take samples. (something that is done on a regular basis for reasons I will not discuss until you find your answers)

Originally posted by liejunkie01

Originally posted by dplum517
reply to post by liejunkie01

 

NO.... did you not get the point of this thread? If you want those facts go find them on all the other threads and many other sources. This isn't a thread to spoon feed lazy people evidence.

Thank you.

This lazy person is done with your thread.

Good, get back under that rock

reply to post by network dude


Right, but I mean I've heard 20 complaints by people who live in rural areas, so I would think if there's enough whatever in them to actually "kill 90% of the salmon" and make people sick, thered be enough of a difference in the air to notice the difference from a heavily-sprayed day to a clear day, at brething level, right?

Originally posted by Nefarious
I find it nothing short of amazing that despite such a plethora of official documentation regarding aerial chemical dispersion this topic is shrugged so ignorantly. Sure, you can argue which trails are actually chemically laden (versus normal commercial exhaust), who's doing the spraying, and why. But if you look at all you'll find plenty of documentation showing this to be done by various agencies for various reasons, and given how people dismiss the blatantly acknowledged there certainly is left a door wide open for far more sinister exploitation of this technology.

You'll find DOE, NASA, and DOD acknowledgement of chemtrails for:

Geoengineering (flood/draught avoidance, weather optimization...)
Anti-Geoengineering (AGW counter measures, pollution simulations...)
Weapons simulations (chemical attacks, biological attacks, fissile dispersion...)
EMF shield (natural EMF such as that from solar & earth interactions, unnatural EMF such as EMF weaponry)

nobody denys that it's happened in the past. We deny that every contrail that lasts longer than 10 minutes is a chemtrail, and we deny that a guy in michigan can watch a contrail make it snow. dude, you're in Michigan, it snows there with our without airplanes.

Originally posted by DimensionalDetective
Agree to the Nth degree OP.

Want to know how to spot THE biggest and most highly guarded conspiracies of all?

Watch the amount of debunking and ridiculing which takes place upon the subject matter.

When a subject and anyone discussing it are fervantly attacked each and every time, and anyone discussing its possibilities are referred to as "nut-jobs", "delusional", "paranoid", etc., you know you are onto something. Read the C.I.A. protocol for dealing with stifling discussion about highly sensitive material and subjects. There are methodologies right here on this very site being employed by certain members that will actually make you laugh out loud when you read the protocol outlined by spook agencies. It's straight out of disinfo 101.

3 hugest examples here on ATS---9 / 11, Aliens & UFOs, and THIS SUBJECT. Take a peek at virtually ALL the threads, and who the most prolific posters and ridiculers are on them, then draw your own conclusions.

Keep fighting the good fight people.

Add 2012 to your list. There are more debunkers there than regular users looking for a good discussion.

Originally posted by bigrex

Originally posted by liejunkie01

Originally posted by dplum517
reply to post by liejunkie01

 

NO.... did you not get the point of this thread? If you want those facts go find them on all the other threads and many other sources. This isn't a thread to spoon feed lazy people evidence.

Thank you.

This lazy person is done with your thread.

Good, get back under that rock

edit on 24-2-2011 by bigrex because: (no reason given)

I am glad to see that you are educated and full of intellectual ideas.

Thank you for your wonderful insight on this topic.

reply to post by DimensionalDetective


How disappointing. What's happened to you? I used to look forward to your threads....until recently. Because, you tackled valid subjects that deserved some scrutiny. Now it seems you are willing to promote the hoaxes??

Yes, those three topics, reason they get such attention, is because of the gross amount of hoaxing within them. AND, the utter disinfo spread by those who advocate for them....disinfo = hoaxing.

Your analysis, in this post, is way, way off.

UFOs are the best topic, of those three....and lately, have become even more sullied. Just glance through the A&U Forum, and follow the ones form their that go to Hoax Forum. Nearly daily.

"Chem"-trails? Again....the sheer audacity of those who "believe", and completely reject any and all evidence and science and logic to the contrary? I mean, at least with UFOs, there are loads and loads of very interesting head-scratchers....but so much bogosity, it is saddening.

"Chem"-trails are a big business. You should use your conspiratorial mind, and put it to use with the mantra: "Follow The Money"!! It doesn't lead to where the paranoid fringe think it does.....

For the charlatans that keep it going....just look, at how many of them are simply WRONG, and deceptive, at every turn. Whether due to innocent, gullible mistakes....or conniving intent. A whole range of reasons.....

Dbl dbl

What I don't understand is why people say they're done with this thread and then come back to talk some more

Sometimes people try to prove a point and show others you're wrong so they can feel Superior over you. One of those "I'm right you're wrong, I'm big you're small, I'm smart you're dumb." moments. Once THOSE people get proven wrong and shut down, they stop replying to the thread, but, continue to read and and find a post they can attack and beat so they can feel superior again.

Thats just how things are. There is always arguments going on, sometimes it goes too far and those who take things too seriously over some words on the internet should relax and cool down.

I've read a lot here that its just "crop dusting" and "cloud seeding". Do you know what that is? Do you REALLY know what that is?

Unless crop dusting has to take place 40,000 feet in the air and over cities (Cities are a farm now? ) I highly doubt that. Cloud seeding is for weather manipulation.

The largest cloud seeding system in the world is that of the People's Republic of China, which believes that it increases the amount of rain over several increasingly arid regions, including its capital city, Beijing, by firing silver iodide rockets into the sky where rain is desired. There is even political strife caused by neighboring regions which accuse each other of "stealing rain" using cloud seeding. About 24 countries currently practice weather modification operationally[citation needed]. China used cloud seeding in Beijing just before the 2008 Olympic Games in order to clear the air of pollution, but there are disputes regarding the Chinese claims. In February 2009, China also blasted iodide sticks over Beijing to artificially induce snowfall after four months of drought, and blasted iodide sticks over other areas of northern China to increase snowfall. The snowfall in Beijing lasted for approximately three days and led to the closure of 12 main roads around Beijing.[27] At the end of October 2009 Beijing claimed it had its earliest snowfall since 1987 due to cloud seeding.[28]
In Southeast Asia, open burning produces haze that pollutes the regional environment. Cloud-seeding has been used to improve the air quality by encouraging rainfall. In India, cloud seeding operations were conducted during the years 2003 and 2004 through U.S. based Weather Modification Inc. in state of Maharashtra.[29] In 2008, there are plans for 12 districts of state of Andhra Pradesh.

In the United States, cloud seeding is used to increase precipitation in areas experiencing drought, to reduce the size of hailstones that form in thunderstorms, and to reduce the amount of fog in and around airports. Cloud seeding is also occasionally used by major ski resorts to induce snowfall. Eleven western states and one Canadian province (Alberta) have ongoing weather modification operational programs [1]. In January 2006, an $8.8 million cloud seeding project began in Wyoming to examine the effects of cloud seeding on snowfall over Wyoming's Medicine Bow, Sierra Madre, and Wind River mountain ranges.[31] A number of commercial companies, such as Aero Systems Incorporated [2], Atmospherics Incorporated [3], North American Weather Consultants [4], Weather Modification Incorporated [5], Weather Enhancement Technologies International [6], Seeding Operations and Atmospheric Research (SOAR) [7], offer weather modification services centered on cloud seeding. The USAF proposed its use on the battlefield in 1996, although the U.S. signed an international treaty in 1978 banning the use of weather modification for hostile purposes.

You know what, here is the freakin link for those of you who don't know. en.wikipedia.org...

Here is another link to what crop dusting is. en.wikipedia.org...


READ THROUGH THEM! YOU WILL LEARN SOMETHING.

Now I don't know much about these chemtrails or whatever, but its an important subject. I live by an airport, planes are going in and out and flying high above. I can understand the patters in the sky because its more of a route for them but I've never, never seen these chemtrails in the sky like that. I find it ridiculous how people fight over things saying its this and that yet you probably have no idea what it is besides seeing a picture or two about it.

This world is going down into a hell hole and there is so many problems. Stop thinking you're in a perfect world where we have no problems and that everything is normal and stop thinking you're superior by posting and trying to feel above someone with facts you don't even know about.

I'm in the neutral zone, but now and days you have to keep your eye on everything because anything can happen. Don't argue so much because you'll then stay on one side of the argument and then you'll only have a narrow view of things and say only certain things.

These chemtrails could be for weather manipulation, reducing human population (in a slow process) or as some of you silly people say, crop dusting

Be mature and have a peaceful civilized conversation, not "you're wrong about this and that, its this and that. Show me proof or its not real." Like really, all you want is proof proof and proof. Show me proof that little green men exists. Right, you can't, so why aren't those threads in skunk works?

You constantly demand things, and when you don't get, you get upset and start to argue. Just be mature, have a normal conversation and look at all point of views, not just your own. Don't forget, words get misunderstood on the internet because, well its the internet. Doesn't really show expressions.

reply to post by Big Raging Loner

(quote)
Please provide verifiable data from the tests of the air samples from Chemtrails, taken by a qualified unbiased third party. Thanks so much. Otherwise it's highly speculative and in fact you for some reason are lumping into the mixture Crop Dusting and Cloud Seeding which nobody is hiding from anyone.
(end quote)

Okay. I'm probably a bit older than most on this site and I have only this to say:
NO one seems to be able to EXPLAIN the mass sightings of chemtrails. What they are or are not, what their purpose is, if they are or are not harmful to the atmosphere, etc., is a mystery.

I have lived 60+ years and this phenomenon is a recent one (within the US) noticeable (by me) within the last decade. Prior to that time frame, I saw nothing like this except when traveling in farming areas where crops were being sprayed, and that was obviously accomplished low to the ground, not thousands of feet above the earth.

That is not the pattern that I have observed, with planes that are flying straight up in the sky and then flying bizarre crisscrossing patterns that are certainly not typical of passenger planes .
(see Canadian govt response to inquiry that affirm these are passenger planes below)

Never in my childhood, adolescence, or earlier adulthood can I remember seeing such long lasting residual streams of (whatever) behind planes.

The trails produced by the planes I've frequently seen over my city (I live in a large southern US metro now) are produced by planes who are constantly climbing straight up into the atmosphere to begin with. There is no reason I can think of for these planes to be flying patterns over this city. The patterns flown by the planes and characteristics of these streaming trails do not resemble the normal flight plans or jet exhaust I'm familiar with (passenger planes produce moisture, fuel combustion, vapors which rapidly disappear).
Chemtrails are observed to have "breaks" in them, (I've seen this myself) which is not the case in normal jet exhaust. That would require the pilot to shut engines down and then restart them in order to cause breaks in the exhaust patterns, would it not?

Chemtrails are mysterious and a recent phenomenon and, actually, they DO cause me concern.

Finally, I can't understand, with all the concern about environmental pollution and contamination--and the potentially HUGE fines the government can impose on violators-- why is the government not concerned and investigating?
Why are they silent? Why is there no official explanation that makes sense?

Does anyone have any information that is "verifiable" that has been released by the many governments who have been petitioned about this anomaly?

I just googled 'government investigation of chemtrails' at random and saw many FOIA inquiries and ...no responses that make sense. Just denials that these tens of thousands of people --at least-- observing and making videos are imagining things.

Here's one such unfounded denial from Canada on : www.holmestead.ca...

"There is no substantiated evidence, scientific or otherwise, to support the allegation that there is high altitude spraying conducted in Canadian airspace. The term "chemtrails" is a popularized expression, and there is no scientific evidence to support their existence."

There is no account of the when, where how of the investigation.
There is no "scientific" and "verifiable" evidence produced to support these statements.
The videos are summarily ignored. (Pretty hard to deny those....)

"Verifiable data" goes both ways.