Boy Arrested for Drawing Inappropriate Stick Figures by Police in Colorado, Taken Away in Handcuffs

Our society is sick and our children reflect that. All children under the age of 10 are in a state of semi-hypnosis and absorb almost unquestioningly what is fed to them.

We cannot absolve ourselves of the responsibility - we tolerate broadcasters/games makers feeding them poison.

Do you think if this child had never witnessed violence he would recognise it as a solution to his problem teacher? I don't think he would.

For heaven's sake it wasn't so long ago that every little boy had a toy gun and went out to kill kill kill....his friends and everyoneelse that came into sight.

Originally posted by Whereweheaded
Though I dont condone arresting a child, but this kid has some serious issues! Regardless of ADD or not, if he is drawing " teacher must die " on a piece of paper, thats the making of a " Michael Myers ".

Seriously? Who hasn't done this isht in their childhood? Hell some of the doodles I see coming out from my colleagues in a meeting would be far worse.

What a joke

I remember going to the Baltic Art Centre in Gateshead, England a couple of years ago and this so called talented artist was the next big thing...his artwork was basically stickmen shagging stick sheep and stick men being violent...this lad should just say its modern art and he will get away with it.

Originally posted by christina-66
Our society is sick and our children reflect that. All children under the age of 10 are in a state of semi-hypnosis and absorb almost unquestioningly what is fed to them.

We cannot absolve ourselves of the responsibility - we tolerate broadcasters/games makers feeding them poison.

Do you think if this child had never witnessed violence he would recognise it as a solution to his problem teacher? I don't think he would.

For heaven's sake it wasn't so long ago that every little boy had a toy gun and went out to kill kill kill....his friends and everyoneelse that came into sight.

My apologies, But, your reference to 'ALL" our children is absolutely wrong. I am taking that as an attack on my children. You are referencing my child as one of your accusations. I have great kids, who are respectful, and know the effects of TV and computers and games. Why? cause I talk to them. I teach them. I show them. I do not use these things as babysitters or outlets to keep my children quiet and sheltered like some do. I spend time with them. So please, what you said was wrong.

Games, TV, computer, none of that stuff should matter. Its Parenting. First and foremost, it starts with parenting. Witnessing violence is only an influential bad thing if the parent lets it be. Parent need to talk and teach their kids about the world in which they live.

You can't blame the makers of games, or the producers of TV shows. I do not believe in censorship. As a parent, its up to you to direct, teach and point in the right direction, your child. I am in my 40s, grew up with loony tunes, which, if you look,,they were extremely violent cartoons. Funny, I don't go around dropping anvils on peoples heads or blowing them up. Why? I had good parents who talked to me about TV.

In this particular case, I do not blame the parents. I blame the school system and law enforcement. They both failed in the handling of this. The child should have never been sent to the principles office to begin with. The teacher should have talked to him. The teacher should have showed and taught him the affect of his drawing and explain how things like that can make other people feel certain ways. Period.

Adults are the problem here. Adults evaluate the thoughts of a child as if they were adults. THEY AREN"T!

Kids are in a fantasy world...leave them alone. It is a part of being a kid, and harmless in most cases.

Ancient words of truth:

"When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me." - 1 Corinthians 13:11

reply to post by SamTGonzalez


I remember in HS when they took away kissing in the hallways...we had an assembly just for it. I got a week suspension for calling the administration a bunch of #ing nazis and storming out...

Then they took away hugging, dodgeball, tag, etc...This is why I feigned sickness a good month or so each semester (and still managed to get A's....and that made me realize high school education is just a load of bull#.

reply to post by VI0811


'ALL' children under the age of 10 ARE in a state of semi-hypnosis. That includes YOUR child.

reply to post by Tulkor


Jeez that really sounds awful. No kissing, hugging, doge ball or tag allowed at school... be ever weary of commie Europe though. *rolls eyes*

Originally posted by christina-66
reply to post by VI0811

 

'ALL' children under the age of 10 ARE in a state of semi-hypnosis. That includes YOUR child.

My apologies for going off topic, but you're an extremely insulting individual who assumes that everyone is one way. Do not judge my child. I will NOT stand for your hypothesis of my children or the children of other good parents out there ...

reply to post by VI0811


All children below the age of 10 are in a semi-hypnosis state.
This means that everything you try and teach (or in a lot of cases these days do not teach) the child is understood as "reality".

This is not a negative statement in ANY way it is simply truth and the number one reason why one needs to be responsible in the upbringing of ones child.

No one is saying that you are not responsible or that your child is messed up because, like all other children, they are in this state below the age of ten. It is just one of many explanations to why children below the age of ten take in so much info so much more rapidly then at any other age.

reply to post by Vampiri



I have to disagree. As a parent, and I can't speak for everyone, my children knew the difference quite well. I taught this at a very early age. I have a very hard time with how some people analyze children. Their is a huge difference between kids that are well parented and ones that are not. I don't believe in censorship, so I taught the difference between what is real and what isn't. As kids often do, they pick up and learn this quick. If taught.

Originally posted by SamTGonzalez

Boy Arrested for Drawing Inappropriate Stick Figures by Police in Colorado, Taken Away in Handcuffs

b eforeitsnews.com

The boy's parents say they understand what he did was inappropriate, but are outraged by the way Arvada Police handled the case.
The parents said "Tim" is being treated for Attention Deficit Disorder and his therapist told him to draw pictures when he got upset, rather than disrupt the class. So that’s what he did.

(visit the link for the full news article)

edit on 22-2-2011 by SamTGonzalez because: (no reason given)

Hi, it's from before it's news dot com, never the most reliable.

Where is the name of the family? Not given.
Where is the name of the school? Not given.
Where is the response from the police force that allegedly did this? Not given.
Where is any kind of response from the school (surely someone at the school must have contacted the police for this to happen)? Not given.
Where is background information that may have led to this happening? Not given.

Unless there is a more credible source with more info, isn't all this a little premature?

For God’s sake is a kid and is 11 years old
No authority should handcuff this kid because a stupid draw
I did lot worst things in school when I was young and naive
Was I arrest?
No, I get a suspension notice from school.
Is this world going crazy? Totally
Looks like to me the authorities now condemn any kind of rebellion against the system
Even from a child.
I’m totally disgust with this news.

really makes me angry seeing things like this happening

reply to post by something wicked




Here are some follow up articles...can't find anything conclusive from the police though... maybe you can get a close up view on the elleged police report in the video here?
www.kdvr.com...


Same story different outlet:
www.nydailynews.com... =news

i'll post more if i find any

Kids draw pictures in class, especially those who are artistically inclined. Sure, they get into trouble because they're drawing at inappropriate times or drawing things they shouldn't, --images that have nudity, drugs, violence, etc. BUT... there is a line crossed when kids start including messages like, "The teacher must die," and the like. And, really, that message coupled with drawings of violence can be disturbing in this day and age. Things changed forever after Columbine. Since then, Columbine, unfortunately, was not the last such incident. There have been MANY more incidents. People have been shot to death. Just last month, a student brought a weapon to school and "accidentally" shot two others in class when the weapon (in the backpack apparently) fell, causing it to discharge. That student was very young, not a teen I think.

I can see why this teacher took it seriously. I can see why the staff took it seriously enough to report. After all, who could know if this kid, who was drawing violent images and including violent messages, had access to carelessly-stored firearms at home? It's been proven by the sheer number of incidents in our country that younger and younger children are committing worse crimes (many are tried as adults because of the nature of the crimes). It is not a large stretch for the teacher and staff to imagine this kid coming into class and killing people.

Imagine if no action had been taken and then this kid waltz's into class and kills the teacher, as many classmates as he could and then himself (or even NOT himself). People would be outraged to learn that this boy was allowed to draw and write such messages and be ignored or dismissed. Parents of the slain, and the slain teacher's family would sue the school system for not taking action when the kid obviously had problems.

It's a tough call: do nothing and have dead people in the class room; act, and have public outcry. Could there have been a MEASURED SOLUTION where the kid could've been helped without necessarily being arrested and put through the booking process?

That being said... If this arrest and processing did not scare the -bleep- out of him enough to make him realize he can't go around making death threats (even via stick figure drawings, and such things as "Teacher must die"), then he really does have problems and doesn't belong in the public school system. It's antisocial behavior. It's a hint that he needs more help ---on a level that public schools cannot (and weren't meant to) accomodate.

Just my take.

Originally posted by Vampiri
reply to post by Tulkor

 

Jeez that really sounds awful. No kissing, hugging, doge ball or tag allowed at school... be ever weary of commie Europe though. *rolls eyes*

Yeah a lot of American schools have similar rules. However, a lot of it is the fault of parents. I remember in elementary school we stopped playing dodgeball because a kid's parents threatened to sue the school. The kid had his glasses broken playing dodgeball and had to get stitches. The school ended up having to pay the hospital bill. After that dodgeball disappeared from school.

Kissing and hugging were banned in my highschool because parents started complaining that their daughters were being "molested" at school. Unfortunately because of literally five parents public affection was banned. It didn't matter that the kids were acting in a voluntary manner. A couple of kids got caught kissing against their parents wishes and blamed the other person to avoid trouble.

Plus it was extremely popular in my high school for certain girls to claim sexual harrasment over the slightest provocation. They used it against teachers they didn't like and any male student that paid attention to them. Well at least the students that they didn't want flirting with them or asking them out. It was a power trip and lead to a small crisis. So, we ended up with rules against hugging, kissing, or even saying certain things in the presence of females.

Unfortunately the victim culture has overtaken a lot of people in America. They claim victim status to earn special attention and privilige. Then the rest of us suffer so that a few cry babys can have their egos and delusions catered too.

Originally posted by Vampiri
reply to post by something wicked

 

Here are some follow up articles...can't find anything conclusive from the police though... maybe you can get a close up view on the elleged police report in the video here?
www.kdvr.com...


Same story different outlet:
www.nydailynews.com... =news

i'll post more if i find any

Hi, thanks for that. Did you see the lines in nydailynews that say -

"He was charged with interfering with staff and students at an educational facility, a third degree misdemeanor."?

So basically this happened last October and it doesn't appear to be all about the drawings. No response has been shown from the police, nor from any correctional facility. Were the handcuffs (if indeed there were any, no other witnesses) a short sharp shock? Did that even happen? How did he 'interfere' with staff and other students? Without having any kind of context, isn't this a little premature to start talking about who if anyone is at fault?

No way is this kid better off "in the system" than he is at home with his parents. And, despite your experiences, the juvenile justice systems breeds more criminals than reformed kids. It might be a last resort for a violent kid, or an orphan, but it serves no purpose for an 11 year old with concerned parents.

So refreshing to hear a voice of reason. This whole "take the kids away from their parents" attitude has done more damage to our society than we can scarcely imagine. Better to provide parents with the tools and skills needed to deal with a child acting out. Taking them away should be the absolute LAST resort, but in some states, it is the FIRST solution. Worse yet, they can do so even WITHOUT CHARGING THE PARENT of a crime. These gestapo agencies are in direct violation of the U.S. Constitution, and yet they have impunity, because no politician wants to step up, for fear of being seen as "against our children". It's ridiculous, and yet it continues.

"He was charged with interfering with staff and students at an educational facility, a third degree misdemeanor."?

Making a drawing somehow does this? Again, that's like charging him for rape after drawing boobs. I hope the parents get a decent lawyer and sue both the school board and the city police.

reply to post by Whereweheaded


Are you serious? This kid has serious issues?
Like you never drew crazy pictures like this when you were 11.
People like you are the reason 11 year olds have records.
And how did he disrupt the school??
He's being a child how can you punish a child for being a child.

Originally posted by MrWendal
I drew pics like that in when I was a kid in school and I have said much worse about teachers. Guess what? I didn't grow up to kill anyone. That picture means nothing and this kid's arrest is a joke.

I agree whole-heartedly, except for one thing. We make good decisions. Some kids might not.

I think arresting him like that was silly. I think however that they should have gone and had a sit down chat with the parents and the kid and get a feel for what's going on. I understand why people want to nip it in the bud... let's do it the humane and civil way though instead of bringing the "law" into this.

Everyone at some point has had thoughts of really stupid ideas before.

And... it is my interpretation that the kid was shooting at kids who say "Music sucks" or maybe listen to hip-hop or death metal. Heh. I understand how you feel, kid. On that note, everytime someone turns on pop music, I say, "Do you mind putting some music on?"