Tired of being afraid of the things allegedly to come?

reply to post by Peloquin


So, why would anyone fear 2012? I don't really get why it is fear mongering, and i've read all the theories.

I always thought the hype and attention to certain threads was people getting over excited rather than fearful.

I guess where one person sees information another sees fear-mongering. Is the fear inherent in the message or is it in the reader? Maybe a fear of death is the reason people would fear it, if you were an atheist that is understandable I suppose, sorta.

In the mean time I, like the myan elders, am looking forwards to 2012.

reply to post by Peloquin


The sad reality of our existence. We would much rather worry about a misinterpreted prophecy that a minority believe will actually end the world, when instead we should face todays problems.

Bad things are happening and it has nothing to do with 2012. I actually think some users of the forum can be greatly insensitive to the situations of the people who are suffering because of the adverse weather conditions we are dealing with currently. Completely bypassing the plight of the people involved so they can use it as evidence in their quest to brainwash the rest of us into thinking its the end of the world.

I'm glad this thread is getting some attention. Hopefully a few more people will come to their senses.

reply to post by getreadyalready


Thankyou very much for that response, because you showed how many great moments just a few days can contain.

I think, the part I like the most is, when you describe having spend the afternoon cuddling and eating chips and cottage cheese and watching Scooby Doo with your sick 3 year old!

Preserve your sense for the small things!!!

Because in the end, it doesn't really matter if we die by getting hit by a comet falling from the sky or just by a bus - in the end the only thing that really counts will be the number of golden moments as described by getreadyalready, that we'll watch on that strange inner screen that will show the movie of our life before we finally close our eyes...

reply to post by Peloquin


I'm glad you liked it! And yes, cuddling on the couch was the best experience of them all. I remind myself everyday how limited my opportunites are going to be for those intimate moments with my sons, and I try to never miss one.

I have lived an amazing 37 years, and my most unbelieveable stories are also the most true! My best friend just turned 29 and he has lived a life more full than most people will ever experience, he played football for Bobby Bowden, and has gone through Chemotherapy and Radiation for cancer.....twice. We have experienced things that most would think are just fantasies. My brother can say the same thing, we just seem to get into something everywhere we go. Here on ATS, I think Protoplasmic Traveller is the only other person that can relate to the crazy things I have fallen into over the years. I never go looking for anything wild, I just try to be open to whatever may come my way. I try not to waste any moments that I have been blessed with. One day I will write a book on it all. Just on ATS I have met old bikers, scientists, friends and family, and my kids even got 2 African Sulcata Tortoises as pets through an ATS contact! It is amazing what can happen if you just say "Yes" more than you say "No."

Jimmy Buffett almost gets it right. "We do it for the stories we can tell." And I could dedicate several threads just to Jimmy Buffett inspired experiences, LOL! He is the reason for half the residents in Florida.

reply to post by WickettheRabbit


oh I live my life to the fullest. it's more of completely not having a fear of death. as it a natural process. but i hope i live as long as possible, and if said catastrophe happens then i hope i survive long enough to help as many people as i could through these crazy events.

Great thread. I know the reason I participate in 2012 threads despite not believing in it is to help allay the fear that these discussions cause in some people. It's ridiculous that some people waste all their effort on these New Age beliefs that have no scientific backing to them whatsoever and then get angry when you don't take their word as gospel.

If something is coming in 2012 then no one really knows what it is exactly and since no one knows we have no way of stopping it. Why fear something when we don't know what it is even or if it's anything? If it happens it happens, if it doesn't, it doesn't. Live in the here and now.

That's my opinion at least.

Originally posted by letthefactsspeak
Live in the here and now.

This is one of the hardest lessons in life to learn. But well worth it, if you can.

Enjoy life, live in the moment, your on a set path anyway...

Thing is, major change is coming and the signs will only get more blatant. It's not about fear, it's about understanding and appreciating. Know yourself and you will no longer know fear...

This is the most exciting time to live on Earth, ever!

You incarnated, here, now for a reason.

reply to post by Peloquin


This topic continues to be one that gets a lot of attention and rightly so; we live in uncertain times and people are afraid. I'm not advocating the 12/21/12 phenomenon theory, but nor am I outright dismissing it. There seems to be two divisive and equally misguided theories about this date.

Members living in Camp Doomsday believe that a cataclysmic event is going to happen on the exact date of December 21, 2012 (probably at 12:21 too) and there's nothing we can do about it.
Camp Ridicule is filled with people who are absolutely sure that nothing will happen and that come December 22, we're all gonna have a great big "haha doomsayers" party.

Neither of these beliefs are correct or healthy. According to the second group, the first group sits at home all day curled in a ball waiting for the sky to fall. And the second group, in the eyes of the first are blissfully unaware of the impending DOOM!

I propose a third camp: Camp Prepared. I am prepared to live my life as if society will continue along it's merry way and I'll soon graduate and begin the career I've been longing for. I go to work and school, pay my bills, hang out with friends and live my life. I am also prepared to pick up my life instantly and move it somewhere else in case the global society collapses and we are plunged into hell on earth before the gods decide to decimate our pitiful existence on that fateful day.

Either way, I enjoy life to the fullest and I am not bogged down by excessive worry. Not one person can definitively say that the world will end or not come the latter part of 2012. If there are plausible theories backed with at least some resemblance to fact, I will entertain them. And just as a side note, I've seen more well thought out, scientific threads suggesting that something big and not-yet-understood might be happening in the next couple of years. I'm not hedging my bets on a day but I am hedging them in something I can possibly help me survive.

Lastly, all I ask is that Camp Doomsday and Camp Ridicule members please graduate from the "OMG the world's gonna end" and "Haha, ur stoopid, i'm gonna be hungover on 01/01/13" lines that have become all too common.

OMG! Seriously? Nibiru isn't real. 2012 was never about Nibiru. 2012 is about a transition into a new golden age. Duh.

reply to post by Peloquin


I'm not afraid of 2012. Throughout history, there are catastrophic events that turn the preexistinc systems upside down....like the fall of Rome, for example. They are the most significant events, and I am glad I get the chance to live through one. If I could prevent 2012, I would. It would save a lot of people. But since there's no preventing it, I am fascinated by it. It brings opportunities as well as dangers. I'm not scared at all. I want to see what happens.

reply to post by ltdan08


Thanks for your response! Hm, the main thing I wanted to accomplish with this thread was, that people (including me) stop being afraid irrational. That there's a change happening all around, nobody can deny who has watched the news that came in recently from the countries in the near east.

I wanted to bring an end to that fearmongering, that arose from those uncountable threads promoting doomsday scenarios that lack any scientific plausibility.

As I wrote previously, it seems as if several people already have planned to commit suicide, because they might prefer a self chosen end rather than being exposed to a catastrophic event of any kind.

People that promote those doomsday scenarios should keep in mind, that they might be taken serious, and if they're not fully convinced that they're right in their theory, they should think twice, if they want to present their doomsday prophecies to the world. That's all I want to say.

For some people it just might be some kind of entertainment to imagine those doomsday scenarios. For me it's horror, because I think what I should do to be prepared, and I realize that my options to prepare not just me but also all my loved ones, are limited.

I'm not afraid to die, because I don't believe there is such a thing like death. But I hate to imagine what would happen to my beloved ones in case of...

That there's nothing I could do to safe them, that makes me SICK, and that's why I can't stand any more all that fearmongering.

And I can tell you; I've been already through it, back in 1999, when I was waitig for the millenium to come, and I was waiting for the proclamation of the New World Order, and reptilian Aliens coming up from the D.U.M.B.s, to enslave us all and feed upon us. And guess what? NOTHING HAPPENED.

Except that I missed many opportunities where I just could have done, what everybody else did: To live and trying to be happy.

But hey... it wasn't 2000, it is 2012!!! And when 2012 passes without something happening out of the ordinary, then there will be another date; for example 2029, when that goddamn asteroid will smash our earth, right?

I'm tired of being afraid.

I'm just tired...

reply to post by InsaneInsurgent11


You do know, what came right after the romans, do you?

After the fall of the romans came the mediaeval times.

Great times, weren't they? I'm sorry...


F*** 2012, the time to live is now!!! Tomorrow we all might be dead, because someone hits the red button.

Live today, love today.

Or as anyone else said: "You want to see the world change? Be that change!"

reply to post by ltdan08



*Pitching my tent with Camp Prepared*

I've been reading about the 2012 subject for several years now...it's how I first came to be a "truther", and that led to being a "prepper". I was fearful at first when I read all about the calamaties some folks were predicting, so I delved into it further. As another poster said earlier, the Mayans didn't say we were all gonna be blown off this rock by a dwarf brown star, or burned alive in the lava-flow from a super-mega-ginourmous volcanic eruption, or or or...well, you get the picture. 12/21/2012 is simply the end of a cycle...one of many cycles our planet has seen many times over. The Mayan calendar and prophecies are about so much more than natural disasters...viewed and studied in the proper perspective, it can all, in fact, be quite uplifting .

It's plain to see all kindsa stuff is goin' on in our world...it is indeed an exciting and sometimes scary time to be alive. I believe we are all a small part of the Divine, living here now to experience all we can, so that "God" can experience all of life through us. If we live in constant fear of doom, which puts our bodies into adrenalin-fueled fight-or-flight mode...we aren't experiencing life the way we were meant to at this time in history. It's hard to spread the love or help folks to wake up to what's REALLY going on when your hunkered down in your hidden basement closet, with your shotgun and your stored rations...get out there and live, folks.

OP, thanks for the first thread I've seen that has beckoned to me to participate.

reply to post by Peloquin


Whether anything happens or not in 2012, everything that is happening now in this build up phase is about one thing and one thing only.. for people to Stand Up and find their own Strengths in hard times.

So all the doom and gloom is simply how you look at things.. you could instead look for the Positives inside that.

Did you learn to grow your own vegetables, herbs and fruit? Did you learn that you are stronger than you thought? Did you learn that if necessary you can find clean water to drink if power is out, etc? A simple YES to each of those is far more Positive than focusing on possible future Negatives.

It's all about FOCUS.. and so you have all the Power to Choose in each moment of every day to be Stronger.

reply to post by Tayesin


First, thanks for your response!

Second - I appreciate your good will, but what you say doesn't really help me.

Because I didn't learn to grow my own vegetables, herbs and fruit. And I know that nearly everyone around me also forgot how to do this. Beside that, there's not much land around here where you could grow food; of course not enough to feed all the people around here.

And the water - I'd prefer to not drink from our towns river, because soon I'd become sick of all the waste in it.

Hm, I think I don't have to play out in detail, why I don't like to think about what will happen, when that great freakshow we call civilization comes to an end.

And the real monsters show up...

Damn, now it's me who is fearmongering.

But I tell you people: Either you pray for it and are lucky, when everything stays at it is, or you'll face some hard times. Because I highly doubt that there will be a "smooth" transition into a new golden age of mankind.

All around the globe democracies are turning more and more into police states. The welfare in many countries is decreasing, poverty is spreading. And those marching in the near east, in fact aren't just shouting for democracy. They're shouting because they're starving!!!

Far away from the big cities, for example in Alaska or in Pathagonia, you might possibly have a smooth transition into the new age, but for everyone else it'll be a tough ride. Not because of Nibiru, but because of the fact that we humans let a small minority of greedy man ruin our planet and our future (ok, that's just half of the truth, we're all responsible for the mess, but some are responsible in a great style).

I don't need no goddamn Nibiru, no goddamn reptos from Orion to know, that we're already kneedeep in it.

I just need some hope, that we'll make it anyhow...

reply to post by Peloquin


Thanks for your reply.

Even in a small flat or unit it's possible to grow vegetables and herbs in window boxes.. or styrofoam boxes you bring in at night, etc. And it is never too late to start.. even if only to supplement your own food needs... and then your outlook will noticeably improve.

Water is the biggest issue.. you can go without food for a couple of weeks but only days without water. Most of the time clean water will only be found if you are catching it and boiling it, or, going to the head of a creek/river where it's still clean enough to drink. Anywhere along the waterway after farming, grazing, industry is a definite no-no. So that's a question to be sorted individually based on your situation... and regular walks around your own neighbourhood may show you places you could collect rain water/dew if needed, etc.

This civilisation ending is not new. All civilisations reach an end.. and so our's will be no different to every one before us... no matter how it ends. With that straight in our minds it's becomes a necessity then to empower ourselves towards self-sufficiency.. even if only in small portions to begin with... doing what you can do.

We are approaching this timeframe.. not the end of the world, but, the end of how we go about living on this world. So even those with a basic knowledge to grow some foods will be far better off than those who seek it only from supermarkets... and the choice of which one you are going to be begins Now.

In such scenarios there are always those who make it and those who don't. They come from different sides of the equation.. with some from Raider-mentality and some from Village-mentality. The first lot will eventually reduce their own numbers due to how they operate.. and the second will grow in co-operation.. especially if they give freely to raiding groups in order to be left alone for a while.

Apart from the above, I can only suggest Focus.. again. Focus on what you WILL and CAN do.. because by focusing on the negatives you will Disempower yourself and may well Feel the energy draining away from you when you self-doubt.

reply to post by Peloquin


I know. I predict a second Medieval age after 2012, but I also believe that people who prepare can survive 2012. Those who are left will be intrinsic in shaping the new world. Although most of the world will be in the Dark Ages, there will inevitably be small pockets of "enlightenment" where people have stockpiled old books and scientific knowledge. The second enlightenment will come about faster than the first, because we now have experience with recovering after those kinds of things. It will probably only be like one century of Medieval-ness...

We are due for a complete reversal of the old systems. Something has got to give. 2012 is destined to happen, as we can see from all those prophecies. It is nothing to fear, if you are ready for it. 2012 is a time for revolution.

If I lived for today, there would be no hope. There is no hope in my present or my past. It is only in my future. I know Mainstream American Culture loves the idea of "living in the moment" right now... It annoys the heck out of me, because the past and the future matter just as much as the present. To me, time is an illusion.

2012 is not good. It will be very sad to see so many people die, and I wish everyone could survive it, but even if everybody was told, few people would have the motivation to prepare. Those who survive will have an opportunity to create a new world. It will be a clean slate, and an adventure.

reply to post by Tayesin


I think the best idea for 2012 preparation is to get a fortified RV that's nuke-proof and bullet-proof and has the option to run on solar power, hydrogen/water power, manually generated power, wind power (from a small retractable wind mill on top), gasoline or a combination. You don't know what will be happening in any one location, so you want to be mobile. You should have everything you need to survive without electricity in case of magnetic field reversal, but also have some good technology like infrared imaging, a Geiger counter, a radar, night-vision cameras, GPS, and complex sensing instruments in case of no magnetic field reversal, because those will undoubtedly give you an advantage if they happen to work. You should have a year's food supply, and a lot of seeds for the future. And then of course outdoor survival supplies, medical stuff, fire blankets....and blah blah blah.

I am not a fear monger. 2012 is the last thing people should fear. It is an opportunity. A step into the unknown, yes, a struggle, yes, but its only a disaster if you are unprepared and unlucky. There is ample time left to prepare, so nobody should be afraid or discouraged right now.