How to properly discern the good truth!

Hi ET_MAN,

Illusion of the energy/matter body or spirit?

Well let's start with the body and see where it goes from there....

If I am not mistaken we were discussing the matter of "free will" within the construct of duality (right/wrong). It is important for the conscious self-aware mind (the ego) to believe that it's choices are based on his own autonomy. The fact that it is merely being presented with the results of unconscious choices is cleverly ignored and frankly.......it makes life all the more interesting. After all :" Psychologists have shown that reducing a person's belief in free will makes them less helpful and more aggressive"

As far as "free will" goes in terms of "the spirit"......

Will: The mental faculty by which one deliberately chooses or decides upon a course of action.

One has to realize that in order to do this one has to trap him/her self within the confines of duality (time, space and causality). Which brings us to the "free" part..........

As you can see, free will in this sense is a contradiction in terms.

You mean you do have a choice in the matter or is that also an illusion?

It's an illusion........ I realize that when reading you reply the first time, without consciously comprehending what it said, my unconscious mind has already absorbed and processed the information. The only thing that is taking time is my conscious mind telling me it came up with an intelligent reply all by its self.

Peace

reply to post by ET_MAN


I'm sorry. Could you repeat that? All of it.

I think it had to do with the existence of choice, but I'm not sure.

Thanks.

Originally posted by AdonaiChristBless
reply to post by NorEaster

 

I do want to point out one glaringly obvious issue that the OP did not address

Let go of all the earthly material, knowledge, books, teachings and business. The light truth is an eternal understanding in spirit and it truly comes down to the very basics about what is good, right and love recognizing the oppositions found in all things that are choices. Making the right choices in life is what it all comes down to, there is a right and a wrong. The tree of life and the tree of knowledge good and evil is real. Welcome to mortality and earth, nobody said it would be easy but I have faith in all of you and unconditional love for everyone of you.

I judge not and am here to simply share the light truth that fills my soul with the good spirit, I wish the best for all of you and believe in everyone of you.

Blessings, peace and love

Not going address the issues I pointed out? I understand. Your simplistic "God will guide you" notion has no capacity to address the issues I presented. We all know this. Centuries of religions that have destroyed lives is overwhelming evidence that the "God will guide you" notion is illusion.

You are a corporeal human. You can claim anything you like, but I can absolutely prove that you are a corporeal human, and that you can't escape that very fundamental fact of what you are. You can play with philosophical ideas and balance English terms in a way that convinces those who want to believe that you and they are ascendent and free of the corporeal "earthly material, knowledge, books, teachings and business", but the raw fact is that you are completely enveloped within that world. When you finally free yourself of your body, then you can claim to be free of these things.

Liars exist, and to suggest that they can be so easily discerned is startlingly naive. To insist that challenging a pleasantly presented premise (a good truth?) is inappropriate is a demand that could be extremely dangerous if accepted by large groups of people. Even a wonderful person can be deeply ignorant of what is true as opposed to what is wishful thinking. Faith is what drives the devout, whether they serve meals to the homeless or blow themselves to pieces with a explosive vest in a marketplace. Faith can actually be both wonderful and tragic, so it can't be looked to as evidence of truth.

Actually, I'm not that worried about a wide-spread embrace of your premise. People have memories, and they know that no man has ever tried to sell them anything with a scowl on his face.

Originally posted by AdonaiChristBless
reply to post by NorEaster

 

Who is this Family of Light?

The family of light or light family is just a title really representing the good family in the heavens beyond. The good creators, our eternal family. This particular title may be misused in the new age arena as many use it but if it's interpreted correctly it represents the good Light family that are one-1 and the same.

Blessings, peace and love

You still haven't answered my question. Who specifically is this Family of Light - or Light Family, if you will? The "good creators" - who are they. Are there "bad creators"? This vagueness is not helpful. Is there a link or a book that can help me to better understand who these people are? I don't mind buying a book if it'll teach me something. Is there anything published about this family?

reply to post by NorEaster


I have a thread in my signature on Space-Time, Infinity and the Holographic Universe, its the first link. There are videos and visuals used as well.

The Family, or F O L, are the Teachers that are watching over the holographic school/kindergarden. They are the Higher Ups, the Creators/Designers/Programmers of our school. Our Family. Father/Mother/Yeshua, and the all that is Good of the Highest Order those who have already walked through the lessons, and passed the tests. They are what we call God/Creator/Prime Creator. Specifically, Father/Mother.

We're in an infinite platform, in infinity. There are things about infinity, hallmarks of it, such as there being No Singularity and No Measurement, which includes No Time. No singularity is best explained by a friend who made a post, and I'll find it, but I'll try here. All that is, some call this the Creator. As in One. As in God. Now, the question is, does the One conceive of itself as One. For that is a limit, and therefore finite. If you place a dot on a piece of paper and imagine it to be either a whole universe, infinite in size inwards or outwards, OR a whole person, who conceives of self, then you have One unit. If you draw a square around that one to show that it is a One Thing, ask yourself, in Infinity, what is surrounding the One?

There are Infinite One's. Infinite universes. In fact, there are Infinite One-111111111111111...........'s. Which would be all of us, and one day, and already in fact in the "clips" of the infinite roll of film of our consciousness, that exists in No Time, without beginning or end, all at once, we also are One, with infinite 11111111111111111111111............'s. And they too, and as well they are. All existing at once, but in "clips" of the film, somewhere in "time", each scene, metaphorically speaking.

Its like Fractals, Infinite Fractals, that as you follow all the other fractals off of the one, and see that they are all the same size in reality, yet it appears new ones are forming, but in reality, in No Time its all at once.

The No Time part relies on the other tenant of infinity, it has no measurement. Again, if you place a dot on the paper, anywhere and think "I'm half way there" you must look carefully. The paper may have borders, but, Infinity doesnt. So in reality, in all directions, and inward/outward, there is an Infinity ahead, behind and surrounding you. You are not half way there. You can't measure where you are.

There is no up/down, higher/lower, lesser/greater, bigger/smaller.

Ie. the endlessness inside a grain of sand (ie. Horton Hears A Who) is the same non ending infinite endlessness in a star. They are comparative in their endless volume. Both can increase and shine brighter, unto infinity, as consciousness/souls/LIGHT does, when its traveling towards increasing Love/Awareness, and thus we are in an Infinite School of Progression, OR, it can be halved continously and shrink unto Infinity, but never disappear, which can happen when we choose the wrong answers on the TEST, and hurt others, and don't learn from our mistakes, without miracles.

I personally believe that in the end, people can be healed, forgiven and forgive others and restored, and that they all learn a great deal. I see things in a more positive way than endless regressions being allowed to occur without intervention and don't choose to see anything other than positive that way. For all we know, all the negative enities could simply be AI and a part of the program, and all the souls here, are ALL going to pass the tests, and will all have learnt invaluable lessons and be overcome with remorse and also humility and gratitude at the Love and Truth that reaches them. That is how I see it.

In any case, there is no measurement or Time, which is a program in this metaphorical TV/DVD player, based on all the orbits of planets around the stars. Each planet has its own Time channel. And there are also infinite frequency channels.

So Family is the Higher Ups, all that Is True Goodness/Love and who have graduated this lower plane of duality and hardship. Including Prime Creator or Father/Mother, and Great Uncles/Aunts, Grandfather/Grandmother, etc, in a metaphor of Infninite endless Fractals.

However we say it its metaphor. Most call this God and the Good Citizens of Heaven. All that is Good in existence is one of the ways I prefer to see it, in endless progression. I use the word God too often.

Two posts on Infinity from a friend, The Magician's Apprentice, from his very interesting thread on his experiences:

www.abovetopsecret.com...
Infinity and some general information +^_^+ PART 1


www.abovetopsecret.com...
Infinity and Link between time +^_^+ PART 2 of the Infinity Post

reply to post by Unity_99

Unity_99,

These replies are progressively getting weirder and fussier. I am still chewing on ET_MAN's graphically overloaded reply and now you come along with even more confusion. Would I be doing drugs I might be able to follow your collected effort in trying to explain the higher dimensional, non-dualistic plane but my biggest problem with understanding all this stuff is this:

You are trying to explain a reality outside of our this reality while using words and knowledge that belong to this reality. Trying to explain things that are beyond the limitations of this universe by using the very same tools this universe provides clearly will not work. If you genuinely ascended beyond this 3D construct than you would understand that words, wisdom, knowledge will never suffice in explaining it. As a matter of fact you would not even bother.......

Peace

reply to post by operation mindcrime


Well thats the thing, because that is what is at the heart of ET_MAN's threads, and why some recognized the light and had stirrings, because is also a part of our soul memories. He is sharing from his nde,and experiences, in addition research and seeking direction constantly for his life. Its not the average matrix type thread. It IS this wild and wonderful truth, and insight type thread and the main message is that we are so much more than we think, this is a school, we're here to Grow Up in Love and equality, and to shine our lights, and to walk in the masters footsteps, Yeshau and Budda, though they were our humble Family/family and Brothers, not Lords and Masters, and to seek to turn our weaknesses into strengths and pass the tests.

His thread is full of the metaphysics he shares from his experiences and what he knows as the truth behind this earth school.

The only other I have ever read such things from, or hints about this from, is Lou Baldin/Sleeper, and he doesn't have quite the same positive understandings, as ET_MAN.

From this weird and deep thread he created, we wrote back and forth and when he sent me a video of Infnity and the Infinity within us, I reached within, and my Higher Self greeted me, and for a whole month I had downloads, and contact, both within and without from Higher Self. My then 18 year old son and I both experienced the same old man Guide step out with humor, light from above and laught with delight as we were discussing Infinity and Metaphysics one day. It was the first shared contact we had had, though we had both seen crafts together, but I got the messages, he just saw the craft, though he had significant missing time and psi moments. I wrote the thread in my signature, about Space-Time and the Holographic Universe based on some of those downloads, but even those came through a small cpu, and could become less distorted in "time".

His beautiful unusual thread, brought miracles into our lives. And protection from negative abductions and waking with wounds.

So, its not the average thats for sure.

reply to post by operation mindcrime


Why would someone not bother to find ways to try and express abstract thoughts about the workings of our universe, existence? To me, since very early childhood, since preschool years, this would be a very significant interest. And as I grew older, to teenage years, it would be the biggest issue there is. Finding words to express it is of course, part of being human, for we try to put ideas and concepts into words, to communicate. Whole bibles and religious manuals are expressions of such things put into words.

Or do you mean, those who are alternative and think deeply out of the box should be silent and only accept the presence of distortions and dark squares, and never concern themselves with others or follow the nudges within to post or shine some light on issues, though that is in truth why we're here, to become more aware, question the matrix and whats around us, and care about everyone, but with a lot less emphasis on self, than others.

Also you were asking who the Family is? So I tackled that one, but it takes a bit of background to understand why one does not just say God, yet the concept is the same. What I wrote only scratched the surface.

reply to post by Unity_99

From this weird and deep thread he created, we wrote back and forth and when he sent me a video of Infnity and the Infinity within us, I reached within, and my Higher Self greeted me, and for a whole month I had downloads, and contact, both within and without from Higher Self. My then 18 year old son and I both experienced the same old man Guide step out with humor, light from above and laught with delight as we were discussing Infinity and Metaphysics one day

It is often difficult to discern the intentions and integrity of metaphysical messages and teachings from someone in this physical world, and this applies even more so to messages received from non-physical sources.

How do you test the validity of the source and content of the other-world information? How do you know these are beings of "light and love", and not trickster entities just trying to relieve their boredom in the astral realms?

If you think some of the worldly marketing strategies are effective in manipulating the truth, then you may multiply that a hundredfold for anything "up there". Deceptions can reach very sophisticated and subtle levels in these domains.

I am not trying to dismiss what you have gleaned through your inner journeys, only offering caution about accepting as "truth" everything which comes from metaphysical origins.

reply to post by Unity_99

Thank you for explaining that in clear and understandable English.

I'm already struggling with the language barrier so this way of explaining help me a lot!!

do you mean, those who are alternative and think deeply out of the box should be silent and only accept the presence of distortions and dark squares

No, absolutely not. It is not what I intended to express with my reply. It's just that....well....trying to explain a concept like this seems kinda silly.

Have you ever had it, when looking up at the night sky, you saw a cluster of stars very clear from the corner of your eye but when you focus on that same cluster it disappears. Peripheral vision they call it, I believe. Well that same concept can be applied to thought and experience. Sometimes you can feel things very clear and obvious but when you try and define it, it disappears like sand between your fingers.

That's what I mean with trying to explain things that can not be explained with logic, words, concepts created according to the laws of this 3D reality. All one can do is observe and experience.......but never share.

At least according to my form of logic.

Peace

reply to post by Unity_99


I'm sorry, but I must be stupid or something.

Your entire post - to me - reads like one of those refrigerator magnet packages that has the words that sort of go together, but that can get scrambled up just as easy if you're not concerned with how you line them up. I had a girlfriend who used to like to get raunchy with those and make up all kinds of compound terms. Hell, I had to drape a short blanket over the front of the fridge when company came over. Bad girl.

I don't get it, and in many ways, I have no idea what any of it has to do with people and trying to get through the corporeal experience with anything resembling a net gain in wisdom or judgment. You must get something from it, so if you do, then that's good. I checked out that thread, and to be honest, it's as if someone's random phrase generator needs a tune up. I got nothing at all from any of what you posted, but I'm willing to concede that it's my fault. That said, I'm not saying that I need to be reeducated. I'm just admitting that I didn't get enough clarity to even comment on it.

Hell, for a while there, I thought you were suggesting that we're all inside something like that Matrix movie, but that'd just be stupid. I had to finally accept the fact that I have no idea what you're suggesting. I mean, seriously, you couldn't be claiming that we're a computer program. That's not even creative.

reply to post by mysticnoon


When you're an experiencer from childhood, this means that unless you are enrolled in the black op projects soley, you have experienced a bit of both sides. For me, those I recognize as negatives kept seeking permissions, they never had the permissions aside from certain things they seem to be able to do. I will be going into this. I was taken off a program and am only allowed to remember the most positive things, without memories of the medical. I also have past life memories and awareness or connection within. I look at a picture of a galaxy and instantly I feel the lights there, all family and even children, everyone is like a child to me, and have recognized souls I meet. I just light up with such joy and happiness and gratitude.

When you have a really positive thought, have you ever noticed the sun can brighten, and the room is filled with light. if you took notes on this, it would be so significant a pattern that you would soon realize there are no coincidences. In fact two people viewing the sun can experience it in a significantly different way.

You own soul knows what is Good and what isn't. What picks you up, and what doesn't. I don't give away permission, but I'm also not allowed to harm anyone, even shield, not even shield. What is the best shield a soul can have is unconditional love. To reach for compassion in the presence of a negative, and ask them to make that U-Turn back to family, renounce all negativity and say it must leave in the name of Christ Jesus.

I've had Higher Self all my life even at 4 roughly, preshool, after watching vietnam on the news. I was horrified and outside trying to understand why in all the long evolutionary history humanity has had, my father was a science teacher and evolution was talked about from early years, why they hadn't learn a thing yet. Then I thought, little children were going to have to change the world. And my Higher Self told me instantly that I had chosen to come, and I thought about this all my growing up years, I had no word for this person who was Me, and I knew she was very strongly.

One day, blaming myself for all the family and feeling so depressed and sad, I was at the door, and the clouds were covering the sun. Suddenly, Family and Higher Self was there, very much like the meeting I had had with ETs or Family, now I don't know which, under the stars, the night of the meteor shower, August 09, where I was told I needed to be ready to help. In other words contact from without And from within at the same time. I was picked up with so much gratitude I was crying from it, filled with joy happiness, encouragement. Told simple things to keep hope, faith, joy, humor, always to turn things around and use humor and love, to just keep doing this every day, and not to judge myself, but to have love for everyone, and try to find the light way, the humor filled joyful way to help, to heal, to move forward, It was like being flooded. At that moment I noticed the sun had increased and was this enormous huge glow just at the surface of the clouds, and had lit everything up.

The Good message, the joy in my heart, and the strength it gave me to bring more calm, equilibrium with my 5 boys, were all Good as well.

Its simple truths like this, you can always see Light from Dark.

No one needs to tell me, which is which, who is who. My own energy recognition feels the vibrations as well.

The Family of Light, is Light as a Feather, filled with joy, love, humility, gratitude, and are gifts to all.

The other elements seem to be seeking permissions alot. They try to get you to slip into their channels with permissons. Its the good fight, but the fight is all about Love. Not a shield, not a sword, but unconditional love, gains protection.

reply to post by NorEaster

Loving language and enlightened verbiage aside, the factual truth is 1. pervasive - it's not isolated from what you already have become aware of and used to 2. redundant - redundancy and replication is the go-to response of all that comes into existence 3. logical - logic is the glue that holds reality together. Without an iron fisted logical structure, nothing would have ever survived long enough to develop beyond the instant 4. relatable - the factual truth makes sense with everything, and without the person having to completely negate the obvious to a degree where it becomes a struggle to maintain alliance with the factual truth as being fundamental 5. pre-elemental - The factual truth can't be the product of anything that depends on the existence of that truth to bring it (then) into existence. If something is demonstrative and determinative (like consciousness), then it cannot be primordial in existential essence. This is putting the cart before the horse, and the factual truth will not suggest such a thing.

I like your list, figured it needed to show up again, the way the thread has been going. BTW, I think I was your second star on that post, and the only reason I subscribed to the thread!

Nothing like a bit of reason, injected into the midst of New Age nonsense, which quite frankly, I continue to detest.

I certainly don't mean that as an insult to the many New Agers posting here, but it always seems like there is so very little of substance when it comes to the usually long paragraphs of pseudo mysticism, that never is really explained, because they themselves don't have a clue as to what they're trying to say. Which is why they "feel" this, and feel that, but seldom feel the heat on their toes when anyone holds their feet to the fire.

Honestly, I don't expect the logic of Spock all the time here on ATS. Feelings are fine, the young posters, they are a work in progress, often people type, and think, and ideas evolve. But it's honestly irritating to read New Agers congratulating each other on this nonsense, and that, acting like they might understand what is meant (when clearly they don't).

Of course, maybe they DO understand some of the banter, but could it be because they already share "beliefs" (dare I say), that aren't always openly identified?

For example, this business of the Family of Light...Why does it smack of Mormonism to me? Why do some paragraphs make me feel like I'm hearing L. Ron Hubbard, even though I'm pretty sure he's dead, and I'm not into ghosts? But no one seems to come out and say, "Hey! I'm Mormon too! Heavenly Father is absolutely in the Celestial Kingdom, with his Family!"

Or whatever, I'm sure I'm way off, but I do sometimes feel like I'm the odd-man-out.

Well, I can say something nice too...I sort of like some New Age artwork! Some of it's pretty cool!

JR

reply to post by Unity_99


Thank you for taking the time to share more of your story.

I also speak from personal experience, but in my case all those wonderful symptoms and signals you describe as affirming the "good and true" lured me from my centre of reason and mental clarity and ultimately brought me to an undoing from which it is taking many years of trial and hard work to recover.

You own soul knows what is Good and what isn't

Yes, but the soul is still encased and attached to the mind, so all impressions and perceptions of the soul are filtered through this mind. Then the ego is also a creation of the mind and has an interest in all that is passed along through the mind. Until one has control of the mind (and very few attain this state), the greatest obstacle in the way of perceiving spiritual truths is our own mind, it is the real enemy. It stands as the guardian at the gate, the dragon fiercely protecting the spiritual treasure within.

All I am saying is, don't underestimate the powers of the mind to deceive. We all do what we feel is best, and that is what you are doing, no doubt. Hopefully your journey may be smoother than my own.

reply to post by mysticnoon

I also speak from personal experience, but in my case all those wonderful symptoms and signals you describe as affirming the "good and true" lured me from my centre of reason and mental clarity and ultimately brought me to an undoing from which it is taking many years of trial and hard work to recover.

With all due respect, this is a question thats come up over and over, and its something that is designed to lead people away from doing exactly what Budda and Jesus did, go within, seek, and trust your inner knowing, your purity, love, joy and memories. It is the mindset of the OBEY group. The matrix, the pryamid itself

There is a word that is used by some, I don't usually use it because I'm not a formal person, and this word has a kind of Churchy Jesuit boys club sound to me, whereas all I can say, from my soul speaking, I'm the sunlight, the light, and here in human form am trying to work through every negative square I can to shine as clear as warmly as possible, and take everything into prayer, meditation, and have prayed for everyone continually since early years, even when I was somewhat lost to hardships. I don't use legalistic terms or words like discernment because, the laws that count the most are what is in our hearts, and all the formalism and legalism, and intellectualism and those who think they're the jailers or watchers, its all irrelevant, because, its about Love, simple, nothing else. Forgiveness, learning from the harm and lessons, walking in others paths, getting into the trenches of life and losing yourself to find yourself again is very common.

Always see with eyes of light, and humor and love and compassion and overcome all these heavy things in yourself. So with love, one thing you need to do is trust in yourself, trust in your Family, and even trust in others, the light within them, enough that you can know that when you are only concerned for their happiness and healing and awareness and well being, and their joy is your joy, their success yours, that even if you must use caution with some people, you can still send prayers and trust, in the Spirit of Peace and Love to reach every heart, and trust in every heart to have that essence of likeness and oneness, the keynote frequency of love which is their essence.

In other words, I am not worried about this issue, the only worry I have is that in the end I might not be able to help my family through their difficulties enough with my own health problems and that I may let Family/family down. I am not worried about me.

And for anything that is dark or even a wolf in sheeps clothing, if I'm aware of their presence, then we're supposed have enough compassion to shine light there as well, for retrievals happen as well, interventions, healings, and even the entities that are not AI, in the system, are in need of love and a helping hand.

This thread is actually a really great way to answer this as well.

Because as I said the word discern is too intellectual or even pharisee type word for me, but, the good truth and who is Good, all comes down to simple things: Love, Kindness, Compassion, Patience, Encouragement, Healing, Gentleness, Forgiveness, Nudging/Teaching, with respect for the other. Bearing with each other Never speaking down to someone, but honoring all as equals.

The First shall be last and the last shall be first, meaning the Grown serve the younger siblings and children, they don't expect to be waited on like a king in a pyramid system, nor do they wish to be the intellect, rather they would gladly play the fool and let others take the credit. Nothing like that matters in the least.

We need to reach within our heart/mind/soul, into our Infinite Self, and pray to Father/Mother for the healing and help to see clearly and to turn to be protected from negative and healed from negative.

But also trust within. The only time my family suffered attack, ie. we've had no negative experiences or wounds, for osme time, and the only time we took a big hit was when I didn't trust my own energy recognition and read something I knew was bad. I became very ill, and my youngest son suffered sleep paralysis and visits from hooded guys with a kind of prod, that poked him in the stomach like a punch everytime he moved. That was when I lost faith in a sense, by not following my own inner knowing. Those permissions were closed however.

Peace, Love and Light!

Originally posted by JR MacBeth

For example, this business of the Family of Light...Why does it smack of Mormonism to me? Why do some paragraphs make me feel like I'm hearing L. Ron Hubbard, even though I'm pretty sure he's dead, and I'm not into ghosts? But no one seems to come out and say, "Hey! I'm Mormon too! Heavenly Father is absolutely in the Celestial Kingdom, with his Family!"

I see a lot of borrowing from this and from that, with new configurations forming as breakthroughs, so that might be what it is. I've been doing months of studying to try and understand these premises and where they come from, and it seems like there's a handful of basics that they each take their bits from.

Christian Gnosticism and related Mystery Religions allegorical concepts
Eastern Philosophy
Science Fiction
Hinduism
Theoretical (Quantum) Physics - mainly to use as "scientific proof" of the more outlandish claims

Then they mix and match, and invent terminology and even rely on traditional human archetypes (in some cases) to provide the necessary narrative for the breakthrough in question. Narratives are important when crafting a breakthrough like this. Christianity succeeds because it has the most dramatic storyline of all the religions.

Of course, not everything popping up lately is so easy to dismiss. I am in touch with one man who (I believe) may have gotten a glimpse of something extremely important and unique. I am not convinced that he fully or accurately realizes what he's got there, but I am working to learn more about it myself, so that I can better understand how it fits within the whole as that whole seems to exist. This information is not primordial, but it does seem to be initiative (meaning it relates to the genesis of a whole that exists within the larger whole), and if it is what I suspect it to be, it's amazingly important. Pretty exciting stuff.

For the most part, though, the marketplace is driving all of this stuff. People want bread and circus, and some people's bread and circus involves this sort of thing. It's entertainment.

Well, I can say something nice too...I sort of like some New Age artwork! Some of it's pretty cool!

JR

I dated a New Age woman for a while back in the 80s. She was nice.

reply to post by Unity_99

So with love, one thing you need to do is trust in yourself

Well, that is exactly what brought me undone, trust in my inner knowing.

Because as I said the word discern is too intellectual or even pharisee type word for me,

It just means to recognize or perceive clearly, a very appropriate term for this discussion. However, I do understand about unfavorable associations with certain words, as I have an aversion to the term "good truth". lol

but, the good truth and who is Good, all comes down to simple things: Love, Kindness, Compassion, Patience, Encouragement, Healing, Gentleness, Forgiveness, Nudging/Teaching, with respect for the other. Bearing with each other Never speaking down to someone, but honoring all as equals.

I am certainly in support of all these qualities and actions, but my point all along has been that just because someone teaches all these things, does not necessarily mean they have the best intentions at heart. To paraphrase NorEaster, they may just be good at marketing,

Originally posted by NorEaster
People have memories, and they know that no man has ever tried to sell them anything with a scowl on his face.

edit on 2/20/2011 by NorEaster because: (no reason given)

Starred.

That is so true, I notice that a lot.

The most deceptive and manipulative are always trying to "keep up appearances" and maintain their kind reputation, unfortunately for them in the process of defending their image they often reveal who they really are.

reply to post by mysticnoon


I know what it means, and use discernment all the time. I just don't like the word. I prefer inner knowing. I cannot embrace anything here that is of the pyramid, or the religions, but Love, Light, and seeking what is Truly Good, is the way. And having Faith. Prayer, meditation, seeking, and Faith. The path of unity and the truth is within all hearts, and even still remains in the darkest shadows, there is always a spot of light. We should always pray for the Spirit of Peace and Love to be with every heart and for their Light to be increased, their awarness, that they may Grow In Love and Understanding. This prayer does not require a temple, church or a mosque.

reply to post by Unity_99

I cannot embrace anything here that is of the pyramid

I don't follow your repeated reference to "pyramid". Do you mean the ancient egyptian religion?