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Originally posted by SystemResistor
If all the intelligent people "won" then we would live in a cold, technical, automated, robotic soceity filled with gadgets but no real feeling or quality of life - which is what is occuring. Its hard to explain, but basically, emotional sensitivity and intelligence are usually inversely related (i.e autism/aspergers/sociopaths)
Originally posted by ErtaiNaGia
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There is no Right to Get Laid
There is no right to a functioning society, or Electricity, or Communications equipment, or Textile manufacturing, or Home building, or teachers for your children...
None of that is a right either...
But you would probably pretend that it was, if you didn't HAVE it due to the intelligence of the people who are CAPABLE of supplying it to your life, that you are slowly breeding out of Existence.
keep tilting at windmills all you like but you will not change anything with words alone.
what is going on in the world at large is for the most part deliberate and there's no point in trying to convince someone who already knows, is there?
maybe you should rephrase your posts a bit because intelligence includes more than pure capability.
maybe you should come to grips with the fact that there is no viable solution
only the inevitable collapse and subsequent 'natural selection' against all of us who were somehow dependent on a society that didn't value life ... or anything for that matter, except unmitigated, aggressive chauvinism.
the bottom line is why preserve a society that you feel is unwilling to respect you to the point of treating you as undesirable? i don't get it.
maybe you should rephrase your posts a bit because intelligence includes more than pure capability.
Explain your position.
only the inevitable collapse and subsequent 'natural selection' against all of us who were somehow dependent on a society that didn't value life ... or anything for that matter, except unmitigated, aggressive chauvinism.
That is quite a defeatist attitude, isn't it?
1. You assume that collapse is impossible to stop, not by evidence of any kind, but as a nihlistic axiom.
2. Let the society Die, which is exactly what TPTB what you to have, as far as a mindset.
You might as well just lay down and die for all the good it will do you.
It's not about preserving a society... it's about recreating the society from what it has become, a group of deliberately socially engineered humans who follow the dictates of a group of nefarious saboteurs.
i can see how my position might come across as nihilistic, but i prefer a POV, which happens to explain what i see happening around us rather than one based essentially on wishful thinking.
summary: people have been proven to accept -*anything*- under the right (wrong?) circumstances. note that i'm not at all happy with the state of affairs, but you've got to have a realistic impression, before you can expect to have any effect. imho, the first notion that must be dispelled is that you need any form of consent, because it seldom exists and if it does it's more often than not wrong.
maybe you should rephrase your posts a bit because intelligence includes more than pure capability.
Explain your position.
no matter how good you are at something, you should know when to apply your skill, no?
do you believe this is some exercise in probabilistic analysis?
i think the path is set barring unforeseen events of course, one can hope for more but shouldn't expect anything other than oblivion under the given circumstances.
iow, the evidence is all around you, even following you into this thread. heck, you'll probably view this very post as another sign.
wrt letting society die, well, chances are few if any of us will survive, but those who do will be facing a more open-ended environment.
it's quite easy to attribute everything to manipulation, but they've made their choice, afaics. unless mating choice becomes regimented, this type of attack will remain legit, i mean what can you do about being rejected by the vast majority?
Regardless of any "Logistics" of countering the plan, This discussion is in regards to the existence of a plan to destroy the intelligence of a section of the population of humans, through directed social engineering.
So, in that idiom. Please.
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I was asking what you mean about your statement "because intelligence includes more than pure capability" I was asking you to clarify and explain your position.
IT seems to me that society has been set up to completely halt the reproductive success of intelligent males, as every intelligent male that I have met has trouble getting into relationships, and having sexual lives. I was wondering WHY this could be, and maybe you all have some theories as to why this is?
Originally posted by ErtaiNaGia
IT seems to me that society has been set up to completely halt the reproductive success of intelligent males, as every intelligent male that I have met has trouble getting into relationships, and having sexual lives.
I was wondering WHY this could be, and maybe you all have some theories as to why this is?
I have come across some interesting information, mainly studies that cite specifically that High IQ people have difficulty in this aspect of their lives.
blogs.discovermagazine.com...
Last December I passed a paper along to Razib showing that high-school age adolescents with higher IQs and extremely low IQs were less likely to have had first intercourse than those with average to below average intelligence. (i.e. for males with IQs under 70, 63.3% were still virgins, for those with IQs between 70-90 only 50.2% were virgin, 58.6% were virgins with IQs between 90-110, and 70.3% with IQs over 110 were virgins)
The team looked at 1000s of representative teens grades 7-12 in the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health and The Biosocial Factors in Adolescent Development datasets, both of which include an IQ test, and include detailed sexual experience questions ranging from hand-holding to intercourse. As with the other study there was a curvilinear relationship: students with IQs above 100 and below 70 were significantly less likely to have had intercourse than those in between. Also like the other study, they found teens with IQs ranging from 75 to 90 had the lowest probability of virginity (the authors note this is also the same IQ range where propensity towards crime peaks).
Depending on the specific age and gender, an adolescent with an IQ of 100 was 1.5 to 5 times more likely to have had intercourse than a teen with a score of 120 or 130. Each additional point of IQ increased the odds of virginity by 2.7% for males and 1.7% for females. But higher IQ had a similar relationship across the entire range of romantic/sexual interactions, decreasing the odds that teens had ever kissed or even held hands with a member of the opposite sex at each age.
The student surveys at MIT and Wellesley also compared virginity by academic major. The chart for Wellesley displayed below shows that 0% of studio art majors were virgins, but 72% of biology majors were virgins, and 83% of biochem and math majors were virgins! Similarly, at MIT 20% of 'humanities' majors were virgins, but 73% of biology majors. (Apparently those most likely to read Darwin are also the least Darwinian!)
www.gnxp.com...
So, yes, Intelligence is INVERSELY correlated to sexual experience.....
Now, I have some theories of my own, but I want to see some other theories first! (Interested parties only, )
Originally posted by Beyond Creation
Massive generalisation here but most women are unspeakably shallow.
At a guess I'd say that on ATS, 2-3% of males feel the need to include a picture of themselves, whereas with the female members its more like 80-90%. What does this tell you?
I have no wheels, no TV, no facebook profile and not much money. Women rarely appreciate the qualities that I have as they won't even offer any consideration based on what I (choose to) lack.
Conversely, at weekends I take to a stage and the female attention I receive is amazing, although in all honesty, their lack of depth is very unappealing.
Most women do not care for intelligent males as they like to be the clever one in the relationship, probably so they can second guess when they suspect cheating.
I'm not even sure if there is a degree of intelligence obtainable to understand women, or are they really that simple?
Sorry if this offends any females but if they're being honest with themselves, they'll probably agree.
Originally posted by devilishlyangelic23
Originally posted by Mr. D
You won't take this wrong if you mean what you say about sex being an interesting
topic of discussion. I think you have never found a guy that can give you multiple orgasms
all night long or else you might think differently about sex. You'll never know until you've
experienced that.
its an interesting topic of discussion because i dont know why people do it...i dont know why people "fall for it" so to speak. i just want to understand why everyone goes nuts over love and lose their ability for rational thought or self control. its like people become no more consciously evolved than animals when hormones take over...and it doesnt make sense to me. so i like to discuss it to better understand
This thread is SAD.
Grown men equating their lack of success with women to their great superiority.
That you are a grown man who has a lack of capacity is NOT the same thing.
Don't bother with the insults. The picture isn't me.
I have a high IQ. I'm attractive. I didn't choose to have sex until I was over 18. I don't have problems with men. I am happily married...so is my husband. I have children. Oh...and again, I fit the parameters of the story, and understand that they were not talking about over twenties.
People have needs. Those needs don't go away because you find them inconvenient. If you don't want sex, why are you so damn snotty about not getting it?