The Attack on Intelligent people.

Originally posted by devilishlyangelic23

Originally posted by Mr. D
You won't take this wrong if you mean what you say about sex being an interesting
topic of discussion. I think you have never found a guy that can give you multiple orgasms
all night long or else you might think differently about sex. You'll never know until you've
experienced that.

its an interesting topic of discussion because i dont know why people do it...i dont know why people "fall for it" so to speak. i just want to understand why everyone goes nuts over love and lose their ability for rational thought or self control. its like people become no more consciously evolved than animals when hormones take over...and it doesnt make sense to me. so i like to discuss it to better understand

Well people have sex because it is NATURAL! Sex is a "Basic Instinct", related
to "self preservation" and "fight or flight". Don't let all the crude and rude types
make sex into something bad, it is perfectly normal and beautiful at the same time.
Only haters and ill people would try and make it into something else.

Originally posted by ErtaiNaGia
reply to post by Mr. D

 

Social proof of sexual experience:

I don't kiss and tell

That is not an accurate sentence reflecting an understanding of "Social Proof" as a concept.

Social proof is a type of behavioral mirroring of others in the social setting, that is adopted due to insufficient information about the social mores of that setting.

I.E. "Monkey See, Monkey Do"

Well I guess that is why I've been a social outcast for awhile because I really
don't care what other "monkeys" do. (I don't consider myself a Monkey by the way).
We are all unique in our own way and should have a little pride in that and not
try to emulate others. I always say people should have a little self respect and be
themselves and not try to be like the latest movie stars or what not.

reply to post by ErtaiNaGia

Weird thread.........

I guess this can be best explained by the fact that choosing a suitable mate for reproduction with humans does not differ much from other species. A female weaverbird will select her mate by his ability to built a good nest, lady peacock’s look for vibrant feathers, as signals of genetic quality.etc, etc...

Not all selection is based on the most elaborate ornamental display but if you are really intelligent and you drive a Ferrari, chances are you will not recognize this problem you set forth.

See, intelligence has nothing to do with having a big bank account or holding a lot of power..........and these attributes are really important when making a selection. Just human nature I guess.....

Peace

reply to post by operation mindcrime

See, intelligence has nothing to do with having a big bank account or holding a lot of power..........and these attributes are really important when making a selection. Just human nature I guess.....

Yes, interesting... you are of course referring to Female Hypergamy, yes?

Hypergamy (colloquially referred to as "marrying up" or "gold digging") is the act or practice of seeking a spouse of equal or higher socioeconomic status, or caste status than oneself.

The term is often used more specifically in reference to a perceived tendency amongst human cultures for females to seek or be encouraged to pursue male suitors that are comparatively older, wealthier or otherwise more privileged than themselves.

en.wikipedia.org...

I have to agree with you, but then again, when the wealth of some people is basically a function of how much they are Marketed, one really has to wonder if their own talents are what is making them successful.

reply to post by ErtaiNaGia


You just have to hook up with a high IQ lady. I did. Auburn haired and gorgeous. The sex is incredible and very creative.

Originally posted by ErtaiNaGia
Yes, interesting... you are of course referring to Female Hypergamy, yes?

Not that you will find any admittance on this subject but subconsciously I guess that is what it comes down to for most women. (exceptions excluded of course)

when the wealth of some people is basically a function of how much they are Marketed, one really has to wonder if their own talents are what is making them successful.

Indeed but one also needs to ask what "talent" it is that defines "successful". It could be that intelligence got you wealthy but intelligence also dictates that you have to apply ethics. Flashing your bling-bling and displaying your wealth contradict this notion.

I'm afraid it requires the attitude of "being able to sell you own mother for a profit" and "gotta make a million dollar, doesn't matter who dies" that will get you the advantage needed. As I said, not intelligence but "ruthlessness" is what gets you ahead in this game. And those two seem to contradict one and other.....

Peace

Maybe these numbers are simply skewed by the reality that people with higher intellects simply have more diverse interests and are less active in environments that tend, culturally, to lead to sex.

It is much easier to meet a willing sexual partner at a rave than at a library.

reply to post by operation mindcrime

I'm afraid it requires the attitude of "being able to sell you own mother for a profit" and "gotta make a million dollar, doesn't matter who dies" that will get you the advantage needed.

Agreed completely, As that is primarily what dictates wealth accumulation in this society.

As I said, not intelligence but "ruthlessness" is what gets you ahead in this game. And those two seem to contradict one and other.....

Yes, that is correct, and I should add in here, at the end, that Intelligence Creates Value, but Ruthlessness TAKES value much more efficiently *SO LONG AS VALUE EXISTS TO BE TAKEN* it should be noted that societies that turn from Production of Value, to Theft of value never exist for long, being subverted from within, and collapsing over loose fiscal policy.

Every Time.

reply to post by WrathShadow

Maybe these numbers are simply skewed by the reality that people with higher intellects simply have more diverse interests and are less active in environments that tend, culturally, to lead to sex.

It is much easier to meet a willing sexual partner at a rave than at a library.

The first link displayed the Virginity Rate by Intelligence of Adolescents, and they typically are not allowed into raves.



Regardless, however, School, and High School is a part of society where males and females are forcibly mixed on mass, and one would expect to find adequate sexual partners there in that age group, at least, if you are dumb, that is.

So, while I commend your hypothesis, it is inherently flawed in that respect.

reply to post by ErtaiNaGia


I believe there are several factors involved here. I think it's mainly because intelligent people spend less time socializing with others, going to parties and things like that, and more time studying. Whilst they may be more intelligent when it comes to math and physics, their interpersonal skills aren't quite as good, so when that rare opportunity does arise they can often mess it up anyway. And because the majority of people have an average IQ (thus making it the average), there will be a large gap in personality and interests with most people an intelligent person will meet in the real world. However, when communicating with other intelligent people this communication barrier is often greatly reduced and the degree of meaningful communication can greatly exceed the generic conversations of less intelligent people. My advice to intelligent people is to simply wait until you find someone that you can truly connect with - and I believe most intelligent people already do just that - because physical sexual pleasure is often less important in the mind of an intelligent person, and self stimulation can often be enough to easily satisfy their needs, so they can get back to doing more important things. Sex is not the be-all and end-all for intelligent people, they aren't on a constant mission to get laid - they can recognize and intelligently evaluate their own primal instincts for what they are.

reply to post by ErtaiNaGia


Freakin' double post, my bad.

reply to post by ErtaiNaGia


Being allowed into raves, keggers, and house parties isn't quite an age regulated thing, is it? I was attending these kinds of things from the age of fourteen onward.

My experiences formed my thoughts on this. As a person who has an IQ above those discussed in your original post, but who was not deeply academically motivated, my social ties included people from both worlds, the rowdy kids and the academics. Being as such it was not difficult to see the differences. The rowdy kids tended to want to get beer and have fun. The more intelligent crowd sought out intellectual stimulation.

One of my best friends in high school had about half of the girls in school crushing on him but just wasn't interested at all in them. He was a graphic design freak and chose to ignore female attention in pursuit of his art. If he'd have developed an interest in girls, on any level, he could easily have been one of the most popular guys in school.

Diversely most of the really stupid guys in our school were sexually active. But they accomplished this by simply passing around the same three or four undesirable females between then, endlessly, for four straight years. This is not an accomplishment at all. Yet, statistically, one could look at the "raw data" and get the impression that these guys were total pimps.

Numbers sometimes distort reality.

reply to post by operation mindcrime

I'm afraid it requires the attitude of "being able to sell you own mother for a profit" and "gotta make a million dollar, doesn't matter who dies" that will get you the advantage needed

Yes, and that's also the other leading factor I forgot to mention. It simply comes down to the fact that women are instinctively attracted to strong men who will provide for her and her children a secure living environment. It doesn't matter if that man earns his living through ruthless and underhanded tactics, because that's what wins in this society, and survival of the fittest will always rule. Society is structured so that the less morals and empathy you have, the more wealth and power you will likely accumulate. Intelligent people often have very strong morals and ability to feel empathy. However, again there is the other side of this story, because intelligent people are harder to come by, and they can contribute the most to technically challenging projects, therefore are highly valued and can be paid a lot in certain jobs that don't require you to leave behind everything you believe in. This is why it's possibly for intelligent people that have "bad genes" to get very beautiful partners that aren't very smart - but that is less likely and obviously wont happen in high school because not many people have a real job yet.

For what it is worth, my son's IQ is in the top 2% and he is 15. He is not even vaguely interested in girls yet. I ask about it sometimes and his answer has been "I'm only 15. I need to grow up before I start worrying about that stuff."

He has girls running after him. One of the girls next door had put a youtube video up going on and on about how hot he was. Some of the other girls agreed. He just rolled his eyes.

reply to post by WrathShadow

Being allowed into raves, keggers, and house parties isn't quite an age regulated thing, is it? I was attending these kinds of things from the age of fourteen onward.

I was stating that the cloistering of children within the confines of the school tends to discount your earlier hypothesis.

One of my best friends in high school had about half of the girls in school crushing on him but just wasn't interested at all in them. He was a graphic design freak and chose to ignore female attention in pursuit of his art. If he'd have developed an interest in girls, on any level, he could easily have been one of the most popular guys in school.

Conversely, My experiences tend to counter your single experiences, and statistics are formulated on majority data, as opposed to "Exceptions", and since we are on the subject, Exceptions PROVE the rule, by the way, because they ARE exceptions.

Diversely most of the really stupid guys in our school were sexually active. But they accomplished this by simply passing around the same three or four undesirable females between then, endlessly, for four straight years. This is not an accomplishment at all. Yet, statistically, one could look at the "raw data" and get the impression that these guys were total pimps.

IF the raw data indicated a High level of Female Virginity, then your hypothesis would have merit on the large scale, However, scientific findings tend to discount your perspective and hypothesis.

The data was Gender Neutral, btw.... and counts High IQ females, also, and if you happen to look at the first link that I provided, you will see that both Male and Female catagories were provided by this study.

Her it is Again, FYI
blogs.discovermagazine.com...

Thus, contrary to your opinion or "Experiences" Virginity is more prevalent in High IQ male/females than it is in lower IQ male/females (With the obvious exception that those of borderline retardation are less likely to have sex, if they are Female, if they are MALE, they are MORE LIKELY to have sex than higher IQ males AND females)

To summarize, your hypothesis does not bear the brunt of scientific scrutiny, and for that reason is inaccurate.

Thank you for your perspective, though, and for furthering the conversation.

reply to post by WhizPhiz

Yes, and that's also the other leading factor I forgot to mention. It simply comes down to the fact that women are instinctively attracted to strong men who will provide for her and her children a secure living environment.

And this is one of the problems, since society and civilization have made those specific traits completely obsolete in favor of intellectual adeptness.

It doesn't matter if that man earns his living through ruthless and underhanded tactics, because that's what wins in this society, and survival of the fittest will always rule.

This is true for societies also, and any society that pretends that stealing is a better way of providing for its citizens than production, will find its enemies numerous, its resources strained, and its economy utterly crushed.

Hence, The global Financial Downturn.

man oh man, this thread has brought up some serious feelings for me; I fit the theory like a glove; the issues of Hypergamy and social compromise are so true, and have played themselves out in all my relationships; I was marked with an I.Q. of 140 as a child and always had trouble relating to people under 'normal' social circumstances; I've also shied away from marriage and children due to my intuitions about the world we live in, it's horrors (not to mention my misgivings about the institution of marriage as a entity of the state and the church)... when in relationships, and the partner does they're best to understand me, social status and acceptance is usually the deal breaker; I'd have to say that these studies are spot on; I have the same sexual desires as all hetero-sexual men, but I'm not willing to compromise certain principles just to get laid; in all my past relationships I've had to dumn myself down in order to make it last; that is not to say that I think women are particularly 'un-intelligent' (quite the contrary) - I just think I'm usually too smart for the situation; it's like a friend of mine recently said, "it hurts being awake"...

reply to post by mydarkpassenger

You just have to hook up with a high IQ lady. I did. Auburn haired and gorgeous. The sex is incredible and very creative.

I agree.

Both my first and second husband are Physicists. I generally dated chemists, engineers and physicists in college and later.

Part of the problem as I see it (Female point of view) is the "Nerds" are attracted to the "Barbie cheer leader types" who do not have the brains to appreciate them. They completely over look the female "nerds"

A large part of the problem is TV and advertising that shape our perceptions of what is "desirable" in a mate - Beautiful bubbleheads for the females and super jocks for the males.

Given TPTB is trying to create dumbed down can't think for themselves serfs this is not surprising.

www.ordination.org...

Check out first comment: www.sodahead.com...

Originally posted by Lateralussicksicksick
reply to post by ErtaiNaGia

 

Here is mine:

Maybe these intelligent men we have here has discovered their "truth" about love, here is my guess to what "truth" they have known.

First love is deeply winded with pain and suffering, love in my opinion can only end in two possibilities
1)The love for that person dies OR
2)The person who is loved dies.

Both of those will most likely end in pain and suffering, maybe this intelligent men have made up their minds to not to mingle with love anymore.

Here is another one maybe they discovered that love is a useful tool for control, if you love someone with all your heart he/she can control you or maybe they discovered that love is a useful tool of Satan. Maybe they discovered that love and sex is one of the most irresistible desires there is to mankind, maybe they have known that love, sex and desires for material things is designed to keep us all occupied and to be happy/content of living this life without searching for the truth - gnosis, maybe they have understood that to escape this Hell or prison or earth or whatever you want to call it they have to let go of the EGO and be reborn.


Just my thoughts.

Ok, I'm gonna admit that I have a high IQ and the findings of the studies do seem to correlate with my own experiences (or lack thereof) and that theory does sound pretty decent BUT...

I consider it just a theory.

I consider myself of average looks, have been told by various female friends over the years that they find me attractive and a really nice person that will find the person I'm meant to be with sometime, there's always someone for everyone etc but despite me trying, it seems that females just want nothing to do with me unless in a friendship manner and even then it's hard to come by.

I don't even have enough fingers or toes to count the amount of times I've been attracted to somebody, pursued them only to be told they're not interested in a relationship at that time before a week later they're "in love" with and in a relationship with some random guy after being single last time I spoke to them.

I even had a really nice, quiet and slightly intelligent girl refuse to even consider me for a date and then weeks later I found out she'd gone to someone else's below average (in looks and IQ) boyfriend and pretty much begged him to take her virginity in the shower, which he did.

All of these experiences I've had match perfectly with the findings of the studies in the OP and while I'm kind of glad that people looked into it and proved that it might not be me after all and I'm not driving people away on purpose, it still brings back extremely upsetting memories and thoughts and further establishes my clinical depression and the reasons that may have been activated.

Just editing to add that yes, I do want a relationship and I don't want to forego love due to the reasons stated in the quoted post, it's just really hard finding somebody that I'm attracted to, have the same things in comon with and yet she shares a mutual liking for me in that way

Massive generalisation here but most women are unspeakably shallow.

At a guess I'd say that on ATS, 2-3% of males feel the need to include a picture of themselves, whereas with the female members its more like 80-90%. What does this tell you?

I have no wheels, no TV, no facebook profile and not much money. Women rarely appreciate the qualities that I have as they won't even offer any consideration based on what I (choose to) lack.

Conversely, at weekends I take to a stage and the female attention I receive is amazing, although in all honesty, their lack of depth is very unappealing.

Most women do not care for intelligent males as they like to be the clever one in the relationship, probably so they can second guess when they suspect cheating.

I'm not even sure if there is a degree of intelligence obtainable to understand women, or are they really that simple?

Sorry if this offends any females but if they're being honest with themselves, they'll probably agree.