ISRAEL NOT HAPPY - Is This The Spark

Originally posted by FarArcher
Uh, I hate to break this to you, but upon creation in 1948-49, this new nation with no army,

Totally false. It had no formal army, but it did have several well-trained militias, several of which had been engaged in terrorist and guerrilla activities against both Arabs and the British governorship for a decade.

no armor,

Again, false; Israel had British armor, as well as a mix of German and Warsaw Pact armor smuggled from Europe prior to the withdraw of Britain (Yes, they smuggled tanks; piece by piece)

and no air force,

Boy, you're batting pretty poorly today! Israel declared a formal airfoece on May 28, 1948, shortly after declaring independence. It wasn't much of an air force, but it was actually a lot more than what the competition had.

was invaded by a coalition of troops from Lebanon, the palestinians from the West Bank, Syria, Iraq, Transjordan, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt.

Actually, only troops from Lebanon, Transjordan, Syria and Egypt participated. Iraq gave funding, while Saudi Arabia's only involvement was to give moral support by saying "Mecca's behind you guys!" (Remember, this was about six years before oil was discovered in Saudi Arabia; they had nothing to contribute). The Palestinians fielded a few men alongside the Lebanese, but for the most part, the Palestinians were busy running from the extermination squads that Israel was sending out.

Rather than be wiped out as the goal was stated, Israel barely won, and ended up with more territory than it started with.

Israel was hardly facing the existential threat you're claiming here. It's unlikely that any of the armies involved could have beaten their own asses, much less Israel's. Not only was their training extremely sub-par, but they also lacked proper armaments (in one scenario, a Syrian arms shipment to help the defense of Jerusalem consisted of three sidearms, and several boxes of shells for hunting rifles.) The leadership of the Arab armies was also pretty damned piss-poor. They basically expected to throw some human waves at the problem, get home, and eat some falafel two days in, and they managed the war exactly like that.

End result is that Israel succeeds in its ethnic cleansing of Eastern Palestine, and the Arab armies are pretty much useless to stop it.

More or less the same in 1967. Egypt moved its divisions into the Sinai toward the Israeli border after stating that they would destroy Israel, and force the buffer force of UN troops out of their way, Jordan likewise threatened all sorts of destruction, and Syria really stepped it up after firing indiscriminately on Israeli farmers below the Syrian Heights.

You've got Syria pretty much square on that one. However, Egypt had a very good reason to move into the Sinai; the Sinai belongs to Egypt, and Israel had already launched an unprovoked attack across it once already. It is pretty prident that when you have a proven enemy on your border, you put troops there, and threaten that enemy with all sorts of hell raining on their head if they make a move.

Egypt just wasn't counting on Israel to actually launch a sneak attack.

As for Jordan, it was fighting a defensive war; when Israel attacked Egypot and Syria, it also moved into the West bank, which was under Jordanian control; Jordan had no recourse but to fire off some shots before hauling ass across the river.

Here's where your genius is absolutely astounding! Israel was vastly outnumbered in total men, tanks, artillery pieces, trucks, aircraft, and any category you wish to examine.

Outnumbered in men, perhaps. The rest of that is garbage.

Look again at what happened in 1973.

You mean when Egypt rolled Israel the hell up until the United States intervened? You'll notice that after 1973 is the first point where Israel starts to seriously consider working with its neighbors to any realistic degree; Its military superiority was fading, and needed to start offering the occasional olive branch.

When you say Israel hasn't had any quality opponents, or a serious military force, do you just reach around, stick your hand down the back of your pants, and pull things out of your anterior cavity?

No, because such an assertion is completely warranted.
In 1948 Israel fought poorly-armed conscripts and peasant militia in a coalition that had leadership one might find in an episode of Benny Hill.
In 1956, Israel stormed across a peninsula populated mostly by goat herders, and rolled an army that was still using WW2 leftovers, including its generals.
In 1967, Israel launched a surprise attack on a military force that wasn't going to do anything, kicked the crap out of a retreating army, and moved into Golan - probably the closest to real fighting that 1967 saw.
In 1973, Israel faced an actual threat from a soviet-backed army that was making good progress until the US intervened for Israel. Even then, the war was poorly handled on the Egyptian side; As it was mostly a war to reclaim the Sinai, however, it seems to have done its job.
In 1982, Israel invaded Lebanon, met no resistance from the Lebanese forces (since Lebanon was kind of busy with something at the time) and proceeded to use its Phalangist allies to "liquidate" civilians.
Since 1982, Everything Israel has done has been conducted against either civilian populations, or guerrilla forces.
And the last two times Israel has gone after the guerrillas, it either got rolled (2006) or failed to accomplish any of its goals (2008)

Basically, the IDF has had nearly thirty years of taking potshots at teenagers hurling rocks, on top of another forty years of stomping poorly-equipped, half-trained, ill-managed opponents with the aid of a superpower.

I'm sure the IDF has the tech and the training and the management to put up a good fight, but I really don't think there are going to be any more wars measured in days.

I mean, how much education do you have?
Ever even see a history book?
Ever desire to learn anything about what you are going to be discussing?
I can't believe you actually have internet where you live! Do they have to pump in sunshine?
Any idea on what year it is?
1973

The irony here is staggering.

reply to post by FarArcher


There's this thing called "international law" such as the Fourth Geneva Conventions.

Seriously, you don't get to call others' education into doubt when you display such astonishing ignorance of the basics of the subject; Don't try to discuss quantum theory if you often ask yourself, "f'ing magnets, how do they work?!"

The last thing in the world we need to be hearing about now is Israel.
How about not stoking the fires? Do the leaders of Israel need to be in the press like Divas?
By saying Israel is mad, people only resent them for Israel being diva enough to make this about them.
Just relax Israel, havent you caused enough BS over the years?

By the way, this is coming from someone who couldn't care less about Israel or there enemies. Its all an ego war anyway

reply to post by Salamandy


The dead people and refugees would probably argue about this being "just an ego war"

'Course, we don't get to hear about their perspective in the US...

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
reply to post by Salamandy

 

The dead people and refugees would probably argue about this being "just an ego war"

'Course, we don't get to hear about their perspective in the US...

Not being able to share land? Because something no one can prove says you deserve it over the next person. Not being able to share as adults. Yea, an ego war thru and thru

All I'm saying is Israel is surrounded on all sides by people that hate them and have made it public they want them wiped off the face of the Earth. Now I don't know about most people in here but if a group of people surround me and back me in a corner chanting die, and were gonna kill ya, it's only a matter of time before I come flying out of that corner like a spider monkey just out of pure fear.

It's only a matter of time before Israel burst out of their corner, only this time it's not a poor defenseless person. Israel has proved time and time again they have the ball and the know how to strike and to strike deep at the heart of their enemies. If it came to this with the instability in the region who knows what would happen. Lets just hope cool heads prevail and the Muslim countries which want Freedom get it.

Originally posted by Salamandy
Not being able to share land? Because something no one can prove says you deserve it over the next person. Not being able to share as adults. Yea, an ego war thru and thru

Not to be too rough on you, but this is some pretty childish idealism you've got there.

First off, this isn't a set of blocks in kindergarten. Land - territory - is really hard to "share." You can't play with it for a few minutes, then pass it to the next guy in line, nor can you and he use it at the same time.

Second, if it were just some people arguing over a field, yeah, it'd be pretty silly. But that's not the case. We're looking at a case of ethnic cleansing; a well-armed, superpower-backed people forcing others from their homes at gun point and murdering them if they give any resistance. It's not a "silly argument," it's outright abuse, with a heap of dead bodies to go with it.

Originally posted by phatpackage
reply to post by TheWalkingFox

 

I want Iran to Rickroll Israel.

Yeah and I want Israel to "Wipe Iran off the map"! Be careful what you wish for! Israel and her allies will smash Iran into oblivion! Long live Israel & her allies! to bad you are on the losing side with the terrorists!

WoW.... your the guy who's stood behind the bully beating the skinny kid,,,, your the sheep and im the skinny kid

reply to post by Desolo

WoW.... your the guy who's stood behind the bully beating the skinny kid,,,, your the sheep and im the skinny kid

And in your scenario what happened to the skinny kid lol lol !

reply to post by phatpackage

And in your scenario what happened to the skinny kid lol lol !

Maybe 10 other skinny kids joined in and beat the bejezus out of the bully...

Originally posted by phatpackage
reply to post by Desolo

 

WoW.... your the guy who's stood behind the bully beating the skinny kid,,,, your the sheep and im the skinny kid

And in your scenario what happened to the skinny kid lol lol !

This:



Any questions?

reply to post by TheWalkingFox

Any questions?

Is that supposed to be your way of being tough? lol lol lol Any questions, jeez! lol lol! All these stupid comments with hidden intentions all because I have a different opinion to yours! That speaks volumes about you!

Besides, who really cares what Israel wants or thinks in a matter like this as it is not about Israel but ending dictatorial oppression.

reply to post by phatpackage


I believe the purpose of him posting the vid was to show what happens what someone is sick and tired of being sick and tired of being continually picked on and pushed. IT always ends bad.