Why Was the CIA Blind in Egypt?

reply to post by Fractured.Facade

Exactly my sentiments. Said that in the Bahrain or Libya thread not a few hours ago. The lesser evil. There comes a time when you really need to sit and think about that long and hard.

reply to post by ~Lucidity


Fear what can happen when some of these regimes lose what little restraint they have left.

We are throwing gasoline into the fires over there, in the hope that the right people get burnt along with the collateral victims in these elaborate productions. So which really is the lesser evil?

I suppose we will see soon enough.

reply to post by Fractured.Facade

Libya and Bahrain aren't showing a lot of restraint right about now. The U.S, is issuing the usual calls for it. But you are absolutely right—the bloodbaths could get far worse. Still, if you compare that to nuclear launches within the ME (or even from outside of it) or to the U.S. perhaps invading another country...

(If that's the kind of restraint you meant.)

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by dniMnepO

Clinton condemns 'hypocritical' Iran;
US secretary of state Hillary Clinton has blasted the Iranian regime after riot police fired tear gas at protesters at anti-government rallies in Tehran.

The protests were called to show solidarity with the popular uprisings in Egypt and Tunisia.
www.abc.net.au...

www.abc.net.au
(visit the link for the full news article)

All of the key players are playing their roles amazingly well.

The CIA isn’t omnipotent, despite what some people on these boards would have you believe. I doubt very much that they were “blind” to what was happening, but whilst being heavily committed elsewhere there isn’t an awful lot that they could do. Even if it were a priority of theirs beforehand, it isn’t given that it is going to swing their way.

The military is in control now and a transition into civilian governance, if they ever actually allow it, is not going to happen for quite a while. Egypt has immense strategic value and the CIA has plenty of time to influence future events.

Originally posted by Fractured.Facade
The Iranians believe the US was behind the last protests there, and that the CIA was attempting to infiltrate their government....

Unless you have sources inside Iranian Intelligence, I assume that you base this upon announcements by Government figures. Foreign intelligence agencies will always be trying to infiltrate their government, but as far as the protests are concerned, what the government says and what they think are two different things and as is the case with most influential people, they are telling others what they want them to think.

reply to post by Soshh


You underestimate the CIA, and the time, efforts and costs that has gone into orchestrating all of this.

Worse yet, many will fail to see this as a last all out effort to change these nations before there is no other option but all out ME war.

It hasn't been easy holding the Israeli military back, but if they can bring about change this way without war, despite the costs it is worth while.

The mother of all secret, covert ops.

reply to post by Fractured.Facade


Yeah, and our State Department is probably "tweeting" them encouragement. www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by Fractured.Facade


Absolute rubbish.

reply to post by Soshh


Right.

We'll leave this one right here for now eh?

"American globalization is worse than military dictatorship, because it rots the soul."

"Color Coded" Egypt; Did US-backed NGOs Help to Topple Mubarak

Mike Whitney----Do we know whether foreign agents or US-backed NGOs participated in the demonstrations in Tahrir Square? Could they have played a part in toppling Mubarak?

K R Bolton--The revolts in Tunisia, Egypt and as they are spreading further afield have all the hallmarks of the NED/Soros “color revolutions” that were fomented in the former Soviet bloc states and in Myanmar and elsewhere. They all follow the same pattern and many years of planning, training and funding have gone into the ridiculously called “spontaneous” (sic) revolts.

The organizations that have spent years and much money creating revolutionary organizations in Tunisia, Egypt and elsewhere include the National Endowment for Democracy, USAID, International Republican Institute, Freedom House, Open Society Institute, and an array of fronts stemming therefrom, including: National Democratic Institute for International Affairs, Center for International Private Enterprise, and the American Center for International Labor Solidarity.

Google's Revolution Factory - Alliance of Youth Movements: Color Revolution 2.0

It is hard, considering these men's affiliations, to believe that the change they want to see is anything less than a generation that drinks more Pepsi, buys more consumerist junk, and believes the United States government every time they purvey their lies to us via their corporate owned media.

While the activists attending the Movements.org summit adhere to the philosophies of "left-leaning" liberalism, the very men behind the summit, funding it, and prodding the agenda of these activists are America's mega-corporate combine. These are the very big-businesses that have violated human rights worldwide, destroyed the environment, sell shoddy, overseas manufactured goods produced by workers living in slave conditions, and pursue an agenda of greed and perpetual expansion at any cost. The hypocrisy is astounding unless of course you understand that their nefarious, self-serving agenda could only be accomplished under the guise of genuine concern for humanity, buried under mountains of feel-good rhetoric, and helped along by an army of exploited, naive youth.

The Arab Revolutions and Us: Start Quaking in Your Boots!

In his latest debate on the France 2 TV channel, discussion show anchor Yves Calvi expressed alarm about the possible rise of Islamism in Egypt and Tunisia. However, here we will consider how, if we leave the emotionally-charged media coverage to one side and attempt to analyse the contradictions between the West and the Arab world rationally, these revolutions are less of a threat than an example for us Westerners to follow. We have the opportunity to create a fairer world. Why be afraid?

Thoughts?

the CIA Wasnt blind, they had the best seats.. right up behind the windows of the leaders residence.

reply to post by Agit8dChop

For anyone to even try to convince us that the were blind is hilarious. I honestly don't know what Time was thinking publishing this. It's almost insulting, even as a planted piece it could have been more...erm...convincing.

Interesting though Imadinnerjacket seems to know who drove the revolutions and who will lead the coming world government. Maybe someone with thread posting functions can post these two articles as a new thread...

Ahmadinejad: Egypt Revolution Reveals Hand of the 'Mahdi'

Ahmadinejad said that the world is witnessing a revolution managed by Imam Mahdi, the 12th infallible imam who disappeared in the 10th century and who, it is believed, will return to usher in a rule of justice. "The final move has begun … we are in the middle of a global revolution managed by the dear (12th Imam). A great awakening is unfolding. One can witness the hand of the imam in managing it.

More here : worldmeets.us... worldmeets.us...

Ahmadinejad says Egypt, Tunisia were inspired by Iran's anti-Western protests

"This is a global revolution, managed by the imam of the ages," he told the crowds gathered in and around Tehran's central Azadi Square. He predicted the formation of a world government, ruled by the 12th imam: "Hearts and beliefs are swiftly leaning toward forming a global governance and the necessity of the rule of the perfect human, linked to the heavens."

www.washingtonpost.com...

reply to post by surrealist

There actually might be a bit of validity to what they're saying here. The enemy-of- my-enemy concept was gaining a lot of momentum in the ME in the past year or so, a kind of blowback to the consistent pressure on Iran, and it may well be that the leaders and the people there were finally seeing the value of regional unity. This can't be a bad thing for them. Whether what's happening now is a spin-off of that and the western reaction is having to and trying to "deal" with it in new and ingenious ways remains to be seen. I'm sure Iran is spinning it to their benefit too, but I wouldn't summarily and immediately discount everything they're saying either. There are some pretty interesting opions along these lines here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.arabtimesonline.com...

My opinion - anyway Mubarak would have left his position due to age/health issues. His son has much weaker position and in "chaotic" transition of power unwanted (to those who organized this) elements could get power in Egypt due to lots of inner problems with political opposition and public revolt.
So it was a controlled transition of power. Public got to release steam. Egyptian opposition was allowed in the open while real power remained in Egyptian military hands( Mubarak was from Egyptian military elite, by the way).
Elections will happen. Controlled ones.
Someone is destabilizing Middle East and removing unpopular rulers while blocking fanatics. Doubt that it is Mahdi number whatever. Might be someone number 44. World chess...

Mubarak is 82 and in illl health and possibly with terminal cancer.

So what would be best for US/CIA interests? Let him die naturally and deal with the random chaos of a power vacuum, or usher in a military junta before he goes?

Egypt's Army Will not Allow More Labor Protests

Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
My opinion - anyway Mubarak would have left his position due to age/health issues. His son has much weaker position and in "chaotic" transition of power unwanted (to those who organized this) elements could get power in Egypt due to lots of inner problems with political opposition and public revolt.
So it was a controlled transition of power. Public got to release steam. Egyptian opposition was allowed in the open while real power remained in Egyptian military hands( Mubarak was from Egyptian military elite, by the way).
Elections will happen. Controlled ones.
Someone is destabilizing Middle East and removing unpopular rulers while blocking fanatics. Doubt that it is Mahdi number whatever. Might be someone number 44. World chess...

Excellent observations, nearly 100% accurate.

I suppose it is easier for people to believe that this is all coincidence, or that it is some divine hand of God making all of this happen.

Misinformation, and disinformation are critical at this point, very high up on the list of priorities. Propaganda, and news media restrictions, internet controls, and spreading a new manufactured "popular" public opinion through the region is essential.

This may well be the most elaborate covert war in history, when all is said and done... Failure this time will make a broad ME war virtually certain.

Originally posted by surrealist
Maybe someone with thread posting functions can post these two articles as a new thread...

Welcome to ATS. Anyone can start a new thread, including you. Just click the "New Thread" buttons at the top or bottom right of any thread page.

Starting in November of 2010, somebody organized a mass campaign of sexual harassment of women in Cairo. By January 2011 the harassment rate in the streets of Cairo had increased to 50 times the norm. Moving in to February it was on target to be 100 times the norm. All the perverts in Cairo didn't suddenly get 50 to 100 times hornier. Some group of "rascals" organized this. Just who would do something like that?

This thread, Mubarak Downfall: Linked to Foreign Intelligence Agencies? discusses it.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Here is a graph of sexual harassment complaints posted by an Egyptian women's organization, www.harassmap.org. Note the sudden surge in the period November 2010 through to February of this year.

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This is the kind of circumstantial evidence that could be cited in court to prove that the Egyptian uprising was not spontaneous and that part of the anger felt by the Egyptian people in Cairo was very likely incited and increased by the very people who overthrew Mubarak.

Just a warm up for the big show in the US...
its all funny till somebody loses a country.

Originally posted by Danbones
Just a warm up for the big show in the US...
its all funny till somebody loses a country.

That is a horrifying thought. Didn't President Kennedy once say that those who make peaceful evolution impossible, guarantee violent revolution?