Obama Birth Certificate Images?

Thought I would post this here for all of you to look over and verify or debunk. I haven't seen these images posted in any of the other million Obama Birth Certificate threads and I wasn't about to dredge through all those pages to make 100% sure.

Personally I'm still on the fence about this whole thing but it wouldn't surprise me if he wasn't a US citizen and was put in office for the leverage a secret like that would have on the policies/decisions of the POTUS.

If these images HAVE been posted please delete/disregard.






Addition:

further information I received with the images:

The Mombasa Registrar of Births has testified that Obama's birth certificate from Coast Province General Hospital in Mombasa is genuine. This copy was obtained by Lucas Smith through the help of a Kenyan Colonel who recently got it directly from the Coast General Hospital in Mombasa , Kenya .

The local Muslim Imam in Mombasa named Barack with his Muslim middle name Hussein so his official name on this certificate is Barack Hussein Obama II. The grandmother of Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. reveals the story of his birth in Mombasa , Kenya , a seaport, after his mother suffered labor pains while swimming at ocean beach in Mombasa

"On August 4, 1961 Obama's mother, father and grandmother were attending a Muslim festival in Mombasa , Kenya . Mother had been refused entry to airplanes due to her nine month pregnancy. It was a hot August day at the festival so the Obama’s went to the beach to cool off. While swimming in the ocean his mother experienced labor pains so was rushed to the Coast Provincial General Hospital, Mombasa, Kenya where Obama was born a few hours later at 7:21 pm on August 4, 1961(what a sad day for the USA!). Four days later his mother flew to Hawaii and registered his birth in Honolulu as a certificate of live birth which omitted the place and hospital of birth."

Letter from Kitau in Mombasa , Kenya ......

"I happen to be Kenyan. I was born 1 month before Obama at Mombasa medical center. I am a teacher here at the MM Shaw Primary School in Kenya . I compared my birth certificate to the one that has been put out by Taitz and mine is exactly the same.
I even have the same registrar and format. The type is identical. I am by nature a skeptical person. I teach science here and challenge most things that cannot be proven.
So I went to an official registrar today and pulled up the picture on the web. They magnified it and determined it to be authentic. There is even a plaque with Registrar Lavenders name on it as he was a Brit and was in charge of the Registrar office from 1959 until January of 1964.

The reason the date on the certificate says republic of Kenya is that we were a republic when the "copy" of the original was ordered. I stress the word "copy". My copy also has republic of Kenya .

So what you say is true about Kenya not being a republic at the time of Obama's birth, however it was a republic when the copy was ordered. The birth certificate is genuine. I assure you it will be authenticated by a forensic auditor. We are very proud Obama was born here.

We have a shrine for him and there are many people who remember his birth here as he had a white mother. They are being interviewed now by one of your media outlets. Fortunately they even have pictures of his parents with him immediately after his birth at the Mombasa hospital with the hospital in the back ground. It will be a proud day for us when it is proven that he was born here and a Kenyan became the most powerful man in the world.

I encourage anyone to come here and visit. I will be happy to take you and show you the pictures at the hospital myself as well as my document and many others that are identical to what Taitz posted. God Bless. Kitau"

Not saying they aren't the real deal but it's gonna take more than some images to sway the birther vote. Everything on there could be easily replicated. Especially in the time that has been given.

was the footprint a normal thing to do?

reply to post by Sly1one


Snopes has the answers that you seek.

~Heff

reply to post by Hefficide


I'm not totally sure on how to do the super internet investigator stuff some on here are pros at, however snopes.com mentions the kenyanbirthcertificategenerator.com... as a place to get fake documents.

If someone could verify the ownership of that site and when it was created? Its says 2011...which I find pretty damn convenient of a time to make a site that creates fake Kenyan birth certificates...

As I am at work right now I don't have a lot of time. I will check some more into this when I have time if it isn't deleted/completely debunked before then.

edit to add: actually if this generator site was created any time after Obama took office and his citizenship was in question it would be pretty questionable in my mind.

Originally posted by Sly1one
reply to post by Hefficide

 

I'm not totally sure on how to do the super internet investigator stuff some on here are pros at, however snopes.com mentions the kenyanbirthcertificategenerator.com... as a place to get fake documents.

If someone could verify the ownership of that site and when it was created? Its says 2011...which I find pretty damn convenient of a time to make a site that creates fake Kenyan birth certificates...

As I am at work right now I don't have a lot of time. I will check some more into this when I have time if it isn't deleted/completely debunked before then.

edit to add: actually if this generator site was created any time after Obama took office and his citizenship was in question it would be pretty questionable in my mind.

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I think you are completely missing the point of the site. Of course it was created AFTER he came into office, the whole point of the site is to expose how easy it is to fake something like a photo of an old document like that. When you generate the fake birth certificate, it says on the 'official seal' "Certified Fake" in big, bold letters.

reply to post by LifeInDeath


I don't see "certified fake" on the images I posted...

yes yes I know, the site is to demonstrate how easy it is to forge a birth-certificate document...

well ok then, wouldn't that apply to the birth certificate document that he was born in Hawaii?

I mean if were going to apply this "forgery" concept we must apply it universally to both the Kenya and the Hawaii certificates...

I have an honest question though come to think of it, is there such thing as "credible" evidence anymore?

It seems anything can be forged so how does one verify when the "possibility" of forgery is present in almost all evidence at least for documents etc??

Yea, this was already debunked a while ago.



Photo - Obama's Kenyan Birth Certificate (political fraud)

But thank you for once again poking at the birther hornets nest and thereby creating a thread that will have dozens of pages of people claiming that Obama was born everywhere else but where he was actually born (Hawaii) and starting the birther debate ALL OVER AGAIN

So, let me put up photos of the real birth certificate...









www.factcheck.org...

Originally posted by Sly1one
reply to post by LifeInDeath

 

I don't see "certified fake" on the images I posted...

No, because the image you posted was not created on that site. That was created before that site was put up. The site was to show that an image posted on the internet is not proof of anything and that a single, fuzzy low resolution .jpeg image it can easily be manipulated to suit anyone's needs.

yes yes I know, the site is to demonstrate how easy it is to forge a birth-certificate document...

If you understand that, then why was your last post so willfully dense? Why did you pretend to not understand that?

well ok then, wouldn't that apply to the birth certificate document that he was born in Hawaii?

I mean if were going to apply this "forgery" concept we must apply it universally to both the Kenya and the Hawaii certificates...

In theory, anything could be forged, but the difference is you are suggesting that a document that has been verified by the government of the U.S. State of Hawaii, that has been on file there for years, which has corroborating evidence in the form of birth notices placed in two Hawaiian newspapers about Obama's birth, is somehow equally as valid or invalid as a random, low quality image on the Internet posted by an anonymous source. There is a matter of 'burden of proof,' and right now there is far, far more evidence to say that he was born in Hawaii and nowhere else.

The same standard simply does not apply.

As someone who has had my own problems with my California birth certificate, I know first hand how silly all of this stuff is. See, my parents didn't name me for over a week, so I have two birth certificates - one that says "Baby ________ [my last name]" and the other that has my actual given name, David _______. I've had people try to tell me that I am not who I am, and that I am really "Baby _______," and that David _______ is a completely different person (presumably my twin brother...who doesn't exist and never did). My own birth has been questioned to my face by people who didn't believe that I could have two birth certificates because they are in another state, almost 40 years after the fact and have no working knowledge about how things were done in the State of California in the early 1970's when a baby wasn't named immediately by its parents.

What if I want to run for President some day (no, not gonna happen, but what if)? Would I be forced to suffer my own birther controversy? "What did you do with the body of the REAL David _______? Where is the grave of the real David _______? Baby _________ knew he could never be President with a name like that, so he killed his own twin brother and stole his name to have a viable political future!" That's what this birther nonsense sounds like to me.

Let's not forget that there are many instances where these documents go missing or are destroyed somehow - does that mean anyone whose birth certificate is lost or destroyed by a flood, a fire or an idiot clerk who accidentally shreds the wrong file are suddenly not U.S. citizens from birth and ineligible to be President?

Seriously, the burden of proof is on those who wish to say he's not born here. The state government of one of the U.S. states officially says that he was born there, this is corroborated by notices in the local newspapers where such announcements routinely get made and the state has even produced their birth certificate form, which is what everyone gets there now since the state made everything electronic.

I have an honest question though come to think of it, is there such thing as "credible" evidence anymore?

Yes, and I think the evidence of Obama being born in Hawaii does stand as "credible evidence." There's about as much evidence of his birth there as any of us have of our birth's in our own respective hometowns.

There is also such a thing as "incredible evidence," meaning "not credible; hard to believe; unbelievable," and every single piece of so called evidence of Obama's birth outside the U.S. falls into this later category and all of it ALL OF IT has been proven as a hoax almost immediately after it was first made public.

It seems anything can be forged so how does one verify when the "possibility" of forgery is present in almost all evidence at least for documents etc??

So, why is it any more credible that George Bush, or Bill Clinton or any of our other elected Presidents were or were not born where they say they are from? George Bush might have been born in France, for all we know. You think George Bush Sr. wouldn't have been able to get a fake birth certificate inserted in the appropriate state's file just in case his son wanted to have a big political career someday just like daddy?

Or maybe Bill Clinton had one slipped into the files in Hope, Arkansas when he was Governor of that state? Why shouldn't we question every single President that has gone before? Make sure every election hasn't been a lie and that we haven't actually been ruled by nationals of other nations all along. Wow, what a scandal that would be!

Dear OP,

Check the archives there was perhaps one of the longest threads ever (over 100 pages) about a year ago. Or check with FlyersFan who planted it.

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reply to post by Hefficide


snopes is a zionist front. the "man and wife" who run it are admitted zionists.

no, all jews aren't "in on it" but this sight is definitely disinfo.

Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by Sly1one

 

Snopes has the answers that you seek.

~Heff

wow.. (I tendto trust snopes I don't know why but I have in the past)...Why all the stories from locals though?
This IS cool though:
want your very own Kenyan birth certificate? Amaze your friends and run for high office!
kyanbirthcertificategenerator.com...
There's just too much noise out there on this topic anymore to reasonably believe anything either side produces.
forme to play anymore; until somebody produces a major break it p retty pointless to play who's the"little African"child from this side of the monitor anymore.

Well thanks for the replies any "elaboration" everyone. The title of this thread is easy enough for future people to search and hopefully avoid duplicate threads with this material.

thanks for the informative replies.

How many times must this be said , I'll even use caps so that it can be understood,

OBAMA WAS BORN IN HAWAII IN AUG 1961 MAKING HIM A LEGAL, UNITED STATES CITIZEN BY BIRTHRIGHT THUS ENABLING HIM TO BE THE 44TH POTUS.

IT IS TRUE THAT HE DID LIVE IN KENYA AND INDONESIA BUT AS CERTAIN RULES STATE HIS MOTHER (HIS LEGAL GUARDIAN AND PARENT) NEVER RELINQUISHED EITHER HIS OR HER LEGAL CITIZENSHIP STATUS AS YOU CAN LIVE OUTSIDE OF THE NATION FOR 25 YEARS BUT AS LONG AS YOU DO NOT FILE SOMETHING CALLED A "CITIZENSHIP RELINQUISHMENT" FORM VIA THE US STATE DEPT. YOU RETAIN YOUR LEGAL CITIZENSHIP.

TROLL ALERT, TROLL ALERT, TROLL ALERT. GO AWAY BIRTHER!

The Hawaii State Bureau of Health &Vital Statistics, The US Federal Bureau Of Investigation, The US Dept. Of Homeland Security and The US State Dept. has already confirmed that he is a legal US citizen by birth so to call me closed minded means you lose all credibility. Try again!

Look at the pic showing the doc, a typewriter and a pack of parchment paper who is exactly like that of the supposed doc, someone is a fraud.

reply to post by Sly1one


The fascinating story of how Lucas Daniel Smith obtained a certified copy of Obama's August 4, 1961 birth certificate direcly from the Coast Province General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya is included as part of his 'July 4, 2010, Letter to Congress'. An image of the Obama CPGH-BC, which includes a baby's footprint, is shown in the original post.

Mr. Smith's letter, along with a high resolution copy of Obama's Kenyan birth certificate, are available for free download from his website at WasObamaBornInKenya.com He now has the birth certificate document in his legal possession.

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Debunked in This Thread

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by Sly1one

 

Debunked in This Thread

Yes that was a CLASSIC THREAD. As it turned out it was subsequently revealed after harsh scrutiny that the site owners clandestinely supplied the image to a member who was seemingly sympathetic to the cause. Strange times. Anyone can feel free to correct me if I've "misremembered."

Things that make you go Hmmmm.

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
How many times must this be said , I'll even use caps so that it can be understood,

OBAMA WAS BORN IN HAWAII IN AUG 1961 MAKING HIM A LEGAL, UNITED STATES CITIZEN BY BIRTHRIGHT THUS ENABLING HIM TO BE THE 44TH POTUS.

That makes Obama an American citizen. It does not automatically make him a natural-born American. Please try to understand the crucial difference.

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
IT IS TRUE THAT HE DID LIVE IN KENYA AND INDONESIA BUT AS CERTAIN RULES STATE HIS MOTHER (HIS LEGAL GUARDIAN AND PARENT) NEVER RELINQUISHED EITHER HIS OR HER LEGAL CITIZENSHIP STATUS AS YOU CAN LIVE OUTSIDE OF THE NATION FOR 25 YEARS BUT AS LONG AS YOU DO NOT FILE SOMETHING CALLED A "CITIZENSHIP RELINQUISHMENT" FORM VIA THE US STATE DEPT. YOU RETAIN YOUR LEGAL CITIZENSHIP.

How do you know his mother never relinquished his American citizenship? That has never been proved in any document and is merely an assumption on your part. It is invalidated by the fact that Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship and therefore, as Obama's school registration form states that he was an Indonesian citizen, his parents MUST have arranged for him to relinquish his American citizenship in order to put him through school. There is NO getting away from this fact. It implies that Obama must have applied for American citizenship when he went to America (either during his university days or after), in which case he became a naturalized citizen and was never a natural-born American - the condition stipulated by the American Constitution for eligibility to become president of the USA.

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
TROLL ALERT, TROLL ALERT, TROLL ALERT. GO AWAY BIRTHER!

The Hawaii State Bureau of Health &Vital Statistics, The US Federal Bureau Of Investigation, The US Dept. Of Homeland Security and The US State Dept. has already confirmed that he is a legal US citizen by birth so to call me closed minded means you lose all credibility. Try again!

So what? That does not prove that Obama was a natural-born American. Whether or not Obama was a legal American citizen was never the issue. Why is it that you and many others just never understand the crucial issues behind this question? Instead, you cite irrelevant facts and make bogus arguments.

.

reply to post by micpsi


When do you think Hawaii was admitted into the Union? Hawaii became our 50th State in Aug 1959 and Obama was born about 2 years later and that makes him guess what, a legal born natural American citizen by birth.

en.wikipedia.org...

His mom, Stanley Dunham was born, lived her entire life and died a legal American citizen by birth as she was born in Kansas and based on the 14th Amendment makes her legal born natural American citizen by birth.

The US State Department has a protocol whereas you can live outside of the nation for 25 years but as long as you do not file for something called a "WITNESSES' ATTESTATION RENUNCIATION/RELINQUISHMENT OF CITIZENSHIP" form that can be had from the US State Department and a printable pdf of the doc is avail at the following link :

www.state.gov...

Once done it really cannot be undone as it is typically permanent and those who are minor children of diplomats, attaches, attatchments do not require this and can attend school outside of the nation and all school will recognize the curriculum you took while abroad. This is what allows for Americans to participate in the Foreign Exchange Student Program.

You asked "how do I know?" well my answer is I am incredibly well versed and well knowledgeable in US law especially in matters pertaining to The Constitution. Plus, I've met Obama personally on at least 5 occasions between around Q3 2007 and Q1 2009 and if I had an inkling he wasn't a legal born US citizen rest assured he would not be the 44th POTUS now. If you think The TSA patdowns are intrusive my friend you have never been subjected to a patdown courtesy of The United states Secret Service as if you have long hair the USSS will run their fingers through your hair while having you spread eagle chequing for hidden devices. I carry toy cars everywhere I go and they even tried to dismantle a toy car thinking it was a hidden explosives or communication method. The USSS does not and is paid to not second guess a thing.

McCain was born in 1936 in Panama while it was an American territory while his dad (a career US Navy Admiral) was on detail at The Canal when his mom gave birth to him. That allows children born in say the US bases in Rammstien, Germany - Okinawa, Japan - Guantanamo Bay, Cuba and any other military base anywhere in the planet and makes them eligible to run for POTUS.

The problem remains that the indoctrination all because a BLACK MAN is in The White House is the master driving force behind this as the entire GOP is scum and slime who realize that they ain't the top dogs anymore.

On my worst day of intelligence my iq is forever and will always be higher then yours as I am a top 25%'er which makes what I say as fact and here are rarely ever second guessed or challenged. I speak of facts and nothing else.

This has been beaten to death soo many times it's getting old and is being used to shut down this nation with nonsense and crap.

Do me a favour, before you try to challenge me do at least a week of web research before you come back at me because I will shut down and disprove every single lie that you and the entire GOP will spew, better yet, grow up and get a life as if you spend all your time worrying about the birthplace of the President means you need to seriously see someone as something is very wrong with you as you are becoming obsessed with lies and will believe anything the GOP says. I swear the average intelligience of the entire GOP borders on that of a moron as there are people who will be quick to say "He's a Muslim", "He's a Kenyan born" but have no clue about anything done and cannot name one piece of legislation that Obama has signed that directly benefited them. I do not need MSNBC or CNN to tell me what my daily talking points should be as I possess a thinking brain.

What I find most interesting isn't whether he faked the birth certificate or not, it's that it doesn't matter to you if it IS fake. It. Doesn't. Matter.

The future of America rests on people like you who are too stupid to ask the man to show the most mundane, common piece of paper, his birth certificate. Therein lies my problem with Obama.

Want us to shut up about it? Then show the birth certificate. I show mine. You show yours. Why doesn't Obama have to?

I don't care about these records: Occidental College records, Columbia College records, Columbia Thesis paper, Harvard College records, Selective Service Registration, Medical records, Illinois State Senate records, Illinois State Senate schedule, Law practice client list, Harvard Law Review articles that were published, University of Chicago scholarly articles.

I simply want one piece of paper. His birth certificate.

Considering what all was expected/demanded/required of Bush, I should think you lefties wouldn't mind ONE. PIECE. OF. PAPER.