Do you feel like Having to Work is un-natural?

reply to post by Cosmic.Artifact


It is not racism. It's a tongue-in-cheek way to show that such a society can exist where everyone is at peace with each other and work at their own leisure.

I agree that the way we work in modern society is unnatural. The work is always at a fixed schedule with no variety. It is all routine.

Originally posted by byteshertz
imagine learning a skill such as IT only to find out all the jobs get outsourced to China or India or a machine and you will not be hired because you are too expensive in comparrison, you can't lower your price because you still have to pay the living costs of your area. In fact the new generations should be mad, mad that the older generations own 2 houses, a holiday home, 2 cars and a boat while they can work for most of their life just to afford a deposit on a house.

83 percent of all U.S. stocks are in the hands of 1 percent of the people.

• 66 percent of the income growth between 2001 and 2007 went to the top 1% of all Americans.

•In 1950, the ratio of the average executive's paycheck to the average worker's paycheck was about 30 to 1. Since the year 2000, that ratio has exploded to between 300 to 500 to one.

I want the sheep to gargle your words 3 times a day and make a statue for your wise words. I am beyond angry and you can bet your last dollar if the public would stop and think for a moment of how screwed they were NO ONE would go to work.

Our forefathers went to war with britain FOR MUCH LESS than this absolutly MONSTEROUS covert tyranny. I cannot understand why ANYONE would vote for wretched dollar hoarding republicans and before everyone calls me a hypocrite for supporting democrats what options do we really have? Sure vote for one of those small parties that gets less than 1% of the total vote or go shout at the capitol all alone and get arrested for "disturbing the peace" or shoot politicians and go to jail....not great choices!

I would actually vote for a socialist party if one existed in america but in reality its communist not socialist and I hate zombie communism just as much as jungle capitalism. Democrats are ok but they are gun grabbers so that pisses me off as well!

Originally posted by Deaf Alien
reply to post by Cosmic.Artifact

 

It is not racism. It's a tongue-in-cheek way to show that such a society can exist where everyone is at peace with each other and work at their own leisure.

I agree that the way we work in modern society is unnatural. The work is always at a fixed schedule with no variety. It is all routine.

tongue in cheek eh ? I say you are a racist ! so stick that in your pipe and smoke it

soon as anyone mentions color on the internet (the newest world) I jump in to halt this ideology period, do not bring your infection here... the new world can do without it.

say no to racism...

reply to post by Cosmic.Artifact


LOL I think you were being sarcastic. I am not a racist. I am a white guy myself.

This thread is about work being unnatural in modern society.

Originally posted by alyoshablue

Originally posted by subby
Only a SOCIALIST REVOLUTION can save us now.

Until the heart of humankind changes, I honestly don't think any system will work. Socialism is the concept dujour and one that you see many people clammering for these days. In fact, we are being led down a path into a subtle socialism. What people often don't realize is that the ethereal, high-minded concepts that make it sound attractive are just marketing concepts to get everyone - after years of wearing them down - to enter into such a system. When that occurs, it is the final wealth transfer from all the classes to a top few. While some would argue that that is okay, who needs all these classes, destructive and materialistic wealth - and I agree - what the few want is to - like the currencies along the way - debase the people to a servant class.

If one doubts this, look at the history of Russia. Communism on paper looks pretty good. However, what brought down that regime was the corruption of man through the Central Bankers. At the heart of every collapsed society is greed. And as is happening now, the Central Bankers are at it again with pretty much the whole world. To further clarify this point, Mayer Amschel Rothchild said:

Give me control over a naitons money, and I care not who makes the laws.

So, from the lips of a member of the wealthiest family in the history of the world, what is he telling you what he thinks about governments, societies, etc.? So, again, it will lie in the heart of man to make a change before we can have any system that would be equitable and just.

So, I think what people are really fighting for is not freedom from this or that system, to this or that system per se, but rather freedom from tyranny and its debasing our sovereign human experience.

edit on 12-2-2011 by alyoshablue because: typos

An effective and relatively NON-tyrannical version of modern Socialism can be found in Social Democracies (like Germany, France, Canada, Scandinavian countries, etc.):

en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by Deaf Alien

well I am a black man myself...

do you feel guilty for your forefathers or men of old and the old ways of the world ?

you and one person before you brought color into this topic, it is not longer needed by any, it only seeks to divide.

I don't think working is unnatural.

I think working for paltry wages for some fatcat who doesn't do anything and takes all the credit while voting for whatever power makes him richer and his workers poorer is VERY unnatural.

I think most of these hierarchical freaks will be food in the future.

A thread I opened, about "work":
www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.primitivism.com...

"The managers of Gulag's islands tell us that the swimmers, crawlers, walkers and fliers spent their lives working in order to eat.

These managers are broadcasting their news too soon. The varied beings haven't all been exterminated yet. You, reader, have only to mingle with them, or just watch them from a distance, to see that their waking lives are filled with dances, games and feasts. Even the hunt, the stalking and feigning and leaping, is not what we call Work, but what we call Fun. The only beings who work are the inmates of Gulag's islands, the zeks.

The zek's ancestors did less work than a corporation owner. They didn't know what work was. They lived in a condition J.J. Rousseau called "the state of nature." Rousseau's term should be brought back into common use. It grates on the nerves of those who, in R. Vaneigem's words, carry cadavers in their mouths. It makes the armor visible. Say "the state of nature" and you'll see the cadavers peer out.

Insist that "freedom" and "the state of nature" are synonyms, and the cadavers will try to bite you. The tame, the domesticated, try to monopolize the word freedom; they'd like to apply it to their own condition. They apply the word "wild" to the free. But it is another public secret that the tame, the domesticated, occasionally become wild but are never free so long as they remain in their pens."
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First - define work. Work is something boring. Work is not - the same for all people. Some find boring - what others find interesting and can spend days on it without being bored. No - being bored is not natural. It's slavery. We are trained to accept boredom, so they can use us.

www.ascentofhumanity.com...

Is this description already reminding you of school? Where learning arises not from curiosity but from authority's agenda; where achievement is adjudged by external standards; where human beings, like so many objects, are numbered, "class"ified, and "graded"; where knowledge is reduced to answers, right and wrong; where children are confined to a classroom or desk except when authority allows them "recess" or a pass; where problems are solved by following teacher's instructions; where free speech and free assembly are suspended—where, indeed, there are no freedoms at all but only privileges; where bells condition us to follow a regular external schedule; where fraternization is surreptitious (as my teacher once said, "You are not here to socialize!"); where none outside the hierarchical structure of authority have the power to make or change rules; where we must accept the tasks given us; where work is arbitrary and meaningless except for what external reward it brings; where resistance is proved futile in the face of a near-omniscient, omnipotent central authority. . . what better preparation for adult confinement to offices and factories could there be? What better preparation for accepting unquestioningly the lives given us? Where else can students "learn to think of themselves as employees competing for the favors of management"?

reply to post by Cosmic.Artifact


This is going way off topic. My post was not intended to be racist. Only that there were some societies that had natural way of life and work.

If I showed that ancient Greeks had the best way of life and work, would I be guilty of racism or nationalism?

Fact is, Native Americans (AND OTHERS) had great way of life. Why bring in the racist card in? Besides, from their point of view, it was "white people" (not speaking in general) and they knew not all white people are bad.

Regardless of race, religion, or nation... most work today are UNNATURAL. Period.

Work used to be easy back then. All one have to do is hunt, fish, build shelters, farm. The rest of time they had plenty of time to relax and have fun with their families and other people.

Originally posted by Deaf Alien
reply to post by Cosmic.Artifact

 

This is going way off topic. My post was not intended to be racist. Only that there were some societies that had natural way of life and work.

well let's think ahead and a little better now shall we ? hope I could help you out on this subject...

you could have explained yourself better like you are trying to do now instead of posting an image with no dialogue of your own.

do not bring racism to ats, it can do without it and it is the old way of thinking...

reply to post by GeminiSky

I absolutly agree 100%. For the past 5 years my partner and I have had this unending feeling that this isn't working for us, we both work in successful careers but to the detriment of our happiness. It's not that we are work shy or think that we are special, its just feels wrong. Reading your thread really strikes a cord, I do believe that more and more people are feeling like this. I don't know the answers or the solution but I know that human beings were not meant to go away from their home every day and work in a cubicle filling out paperwork that is of no interest or importance to anyone, or sell stuff/buy stuff from/to other people to make them feel good about themselves and perpetuate the work-sleep-buy cycle of life. This is not life.
I have been reading over the past few months about conscious co creation, and a few months ago I read that the awakening will start on February 11th 2011, now this is the thing... The egypt revolution came to fruition on that date, maybe a coincidence, but maybe we are not the only people who think that the status quo has to change.
In the last 2 weeks we have put a website together with a lot of these questions being asked, like I said I don't know the answers and who knows what is right or wrong. In the end all any of us have to go on is our instinct and feelings, and the overwhelming feeling is.. something is not right.

I hope you dont mind me copying your thread onto our website, I found it uplifting and hit the nail on the head.
If you want to check it out please go to www.globalconspiracy.co.uk


www.globalconspiracy.co.uk

reply to post by Deaf Alien


Those people never "worked". Here, some whites were taken prisoners by the Indians, and then they did not want to leave anymore:

paimei01.blogspot.com...
"No Arguments, no treaties, nor Tears of their Friends and Relations, could persuade many of them to leave their new Indian Friends and Acquaintance; several of them that were by the Caressings of their Relations persuaded to come Home, in a little Time grew tired of our Manner of living, and run away again to the Indians, and ended their Days with them. On the other Hand, Indian Children have been carefully educated among the English, cloathed and taught, yet, I think, there is not one Instance, that any of these, after they had Liberty to go among their own People, and were come to Age, would remain with the English, but returned to their own Nations, and became as fond of the Indian Manner of Life as those that knew nothing of a civilized Manner of Living. And, he concludes, what he says of this particular prisoner exchange “has been found true on many other Occasions.”

Benjamin Franklin was even more pointed: When an Indian child is raised in white civilization, he remarks, the civilizing somehow does not stick, and at the first opportunity he will go back to his red relations, from whence there is no hope whatever of redeeming him. But when white persons of either sex have been taken prisoners young by the Indians, and have lived a while among them, tho’ ransomed by their Friends, and treated with all imaginable tenderness toprevail with them to stay among the English, yet in a Short time they become disgusted with our manner of life, and the care and pains that are necessary to support it, and take the firstgood Opportunity of escaping again into the Woods, from whence there is no reclaiming them."
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Why with all our inventions - can't we just work a little to obtain the basics of life - I mean, we should be able to "work" far less than the Native Americans, and then - do exactly what we like. IF some like to work more, for a bigger house - they are free to do exactly that. My solution here:

paimei01.blogspot.com...

reply to post by Cosmic.Artifact


Ok then I apologize. I didn't realize that post would offend anyone. It was intended to be funny.

We had it easy back then. We didn't have the hours to worry about. Hunting, fishing, building shelters, helping each other, having fun, etc. are NATURAL.

What is not natural is the fixed hours we have to work at fixed wages working for the benefit of bosses, CEOs, owners, etc who get rich off your work.

I suppose what makes it unnatural is the "artificiality" of modern work.

reply to post by ThreeThreeThree


If you don't mind me asking, what do you do?

reply to post by pai mei


That was a good post. Thanks.

It just goes to show that there were (perhaps some today) societies where everyone is in peace with each other and share everything with each other. Those people were always happy.

"Work" is something like hunt for food and helping each other and building communities.

Everyone gets richer by their contributions.

yes it is

and these video explains why

reply to post by canadabcpg




ok great solutions...

Originally posted by NoHierarchy
An effective and relatively NON-tyrannical version of modern Socialism can be found in Social Democracies (like Germany, France, Canada, Scandinavian countries, etc.):

en.wikipedia.org...

Except that the private central bank scammers have their hands in every pie, polluting it with their filfy dirty hands and spreading disease everywhere they go. Why do you think there is a 30%-50% tax bracket in "socialist" countries?

Venezuela and cuba may be the only exeptions to the rule because one had russian support and the other nation is swimming in oil reserves. UN, World Bank, IMF all belong to the rockefeller-rothschild scumbags!

In europe people work 5 hours less before overtime but another big problem is that THERE IS NO MORE MANUFACTURING...all went to asia and eastern europe...cheap wages....capitalism within "socialism".

Please watch these videos because they are extremely eye-opening:







THEY OWN $500 TRILLION AT LEAST, responsible for wars, genocides,etc! Make zionism look lame as hell!

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by NoHierarchy
An effective and relatively NON-tyrannical version of modern Socialism can be found in Social Democracies (like Germany, France, Canada, Scandinavian countries, etc.):

en.wikipedia.org...

Except that the private central bank scammers have their hands in every pie, polluting it with their filfy dirty hands and spreading disease everywhere they go. Why do you think there is a 30%-50% tax bracket in "socialist" countries?

Venezuela and cuba may be the only exeptions to the rule because one had russian support and the other nation is swimming in oil reserves. UN, World Bank, IMF all belong to the rockefeller-rothschild scumbags!

In europe people work 5 hours less before overtime but another big problem is that THERE IS NO MORE MANUFACTURING...all went to asia and eastern europe...cheap wages....capitalism within "socialism".

I'm sure that's true to some degree, however... some of the greatest innovations are coming out of places like Germany... they're one of our main industrial competitors.

China is somewhat scary right now... a hyper Communist government combined with a hyper Capitalist economy. Two scumbag pillars of civilization's modern tyranny.