Britain and Sharia Law

reply to post by dizzylizzy

Hello dizzy

Yeah, that was the point I was trying to make. I dont have the right to tell someone how to resolve a dispute they are having with someone else. If they want to do it under their religions laws then they have the right to do so. I fully belive all courts should be secular but others don't. That to me is the issue but I am in no way militant about it. I believe in a free society more than what I want in an ideal world.

It's definitely not about Britain having sharia law, which is all you see wherever the subject is mentioned. Which frustrates me

Cheers

reply to post by whatukno


Blimey whatukno!

I agree that Muslims and Islam in general are reported on pretty negatively. Not sure if I agree with you why that is though.

However, maybe you are right that news nowadays seems to try and inspire fear. It's easier to control people if they are scared. War is peace, freedom is slavery and ignorance is strength. I am not sure if that is why it is done though, I am a bit of a cynic and think it's probably done for profit and ratings.

Whatever the reason they do it, the newspapers are responsible for clouding the matter on sharia law. It is just not acceptable to say that it does. I am shocked to see a U.S poster be so certain that Britain doesn't. From my experience you guys seem to be certain we do.

Cheers

Attempts to bring Sharia into Canadian law have failed.

I hope they continue to fail.

I would just like to say that sharia law is supposed to be for civil cases but it has now escalated and is being used in criminal cases also. I live in a town that has it and I have friends of all faiths, colours etc. but even some of the muslims themselves (all women, I might add) are terified that they are hearing criminal cases and ruling on them.
This has been brought to the attention of local councillors that are supposed to be our voice in parliament but they are ignoring the issues. One was alleged....got to be careful...... to have said it was pointless trying to do anything about it because the Sharia Law s now set in concrete and they can't over-rule what they have said or done.
The muslim women are very often forced to agree to be heard in the sharia court and are being handed what we find to be illegal sentences. i.e, forced to have to have sex with their husbands whenever they like.
there are plenty of pieces freely available if you google it and I for one am very worried where there is all going.

reply to post by squizzy


Utter bollocks. Sorry, but it is. These abitration services (Sharia Courts as they like to be known) have zero power when it comes to criminal matters and even their rulings do not have to be adhered to if one party is not happy with the process, contrary to the OP.

I hate to say it, but these women you speak of are simply weak. If they weren't so under the thumb, they would realise they do not whatsoever have to abide by or even attend these "courts" and can, if being raped in marriage for example, go to the Police and have UK Law swing it's mighty fist. The only power these "courts" have is the power given to them by those who use them.

I could set up a Jedi court tomorrow and pass judgement on people as I saw fit. I could never actually enforce my rulings unless those I judged allowed me too.

reply to post by stumason


www.dailymail.co.uk...
this states that some cases are criminal not civil so I dont talk BS, this was 3 years ago and it has grown considerably since then.

reply to post by squizzy


Ha, Daily Mail, guaranteed to take an issue and distort it beyond reality to get you to hate brown people.

Again, I repeat what I said above, namely these courts are only dealing with those cases because those involved have agreed to it. I would laugh my socks off then slam the door in the face of any Muslim who tried to bring me in front of a Sharia Court for nuisance neighbour disputes, or land disputes or, if I was married to one and she beat me, domestic abuse. I would tell them that their courts have no power or jurisdiction and if they really wanted to go to court over something, UK Law is supreme.

You don't seem to understand that NO ONE CAN BE FORCED TO ATTEND THESE THINGS. They are voluntary and the only reason people, women expecially, are being ruled against in these things are because they allow it.

If the women being forced to have sex went to the Police, arrests would be made.

If these women took people to a proper UK court over inheritance, or neighbour disputes they would be treated fairly. If they do not and submit themselves willingly not onlt to the process but also the judgment, then there is nothing that can be done for them as they are simply weak of mind.

Also, here is a quote from the end of your article:

Shadow home secretary Dominic Grieve said: 'These tribunals have no place in passing binding decisions in divorce or criminal justice hearings.
'Far from handling more criminal cases. They should be handling none at all.
'British law is absolute and must remain so.

Say's it all really. They only have power if people give them power.

reply to post by stumason


yes the shadow secretary did say that but you will find it is not the case. I live in a town where we have Sharia law, I understand and agree with you regarding the women being weak willed atc but I know personally where a woman has refused and gone to the police and been let down terribly by our system because the officer was a muslim himself. They have nowhere to go out of their community if they are oppressed in the first place. All I am saying is it should not be allowed and unortunately like any system it has its faults.
But to say I talk bollocks is rather an attack that was unjustified.

reply to post by squizzy


Then again, that woman should ahve sought redress through another officer if she felt he wasn't taking her seriously and if they still did nothing, then to take it to the IPCC. She was only let down by her own failures to do things properly.

It's like standing in a burning building and calling 999 and being told "Sorry, we don't believe you" and just shrugging your shoulders and burning to death.

But I stand by my "Bollocks!" statement because you claimed you have Sharia in your town, which you don't and you have claimed that Sharia courts can do things which they cannot. It wasn't a personal attack on you, but rather an attack on the information you presented. It is misleading to say they can do these things, as they are not actually allowed by Law, but if weak willed people submit themselves willingly to it, then there is nothing that can be done. That doesn't mean you have Sharia though, just a town full of idiots.

Originally posted by catwhoknowsplusone
reply to post by dizzylizzy

 

Sorry to disagree, dizzy,

You definitely have sharia law - you have extremists right there.

Extremists do not equal Sharia law.

You are simply spouting lies.

reply to post by stumason


Read the 1st 3 small paragraphs in the article I sent, Manchester, Birmingham , Nuneaton etc all have Sharia law, yes they are SUPPOSED to both agree to it but did you notice the *little known loophole* which is now a gaping cavern.

reply to post by mr-lizard


Sharia Law is an extremist action. If you want to live in a nation under Sharia - move to one.

reply to post by squizzy


It's not a loophole in the slightest but the Mail would love to portray it as such. The "loophole" is basically people agreeing to abide by the decisions as per the Arbitration Act.

If they did not agree and in fact didn't even attend these "courts" then they would have no power. It is purely down to people submitting themselves, which they are not obliged to do in the slightest, so ergo, there is no Sharia law but just a bunch of stupid people.

If there was Sharia Law, for example, if you got into a disagreement with a Muslim chap then he could haul you in front of one of these panels, but in reality he can do no such thing if you told him to take a running jump.

reply to post by mr-lizard


Haha, indeed. Using that logic, one could say that because you have the Muslim Brotherhood in the US, there is Sharia Law. Or because there is the KKK, the American Government is full of right wing nutjobs..oh, hang on, that one might actually be true....

reply to post by Aeons


totally agree with you on that

reply to post by stumason


white people are actually muslim too. just a point from earlier.
Peace

reply to post by squizzy


Indeed, but my point I believe you're referring to about the Mail wanting you to hate Brown people was largely tongue in cheek as that rag is right-wing and secondly, they don't care if white people can be Muslims, they just care about stirring up the hate and seeing as their readership will largely be the white, middle class English folk then they pander to this.

reply to post by stumason


I totally agree with what you say regarding the paper but was just trying to say that my town does have sharia law as an alternative. However my point was that it is not working as it should because of the oppression of muslim women and the way some muslim men and leaders deal with it. Not everything that should be legal and goes by the book actually happens.
As in all forms there is corruption and people fall into a trap or are coerced into accepting things that are not totlly legal or moral etc.
I still think it should be 1 law for all in this country without the option of choosing to be tried by kangaroo courts.
Just waiting for the 1st public stoning now, that should give us a good thread

Well at least it looks like Tennessee has some sense and is trying to stop it there.

Originally posted by backinblack
But we'll always get the few telling us it's coming or it's already there because they wish to divide the community through fear....

Right, like they (Muslims) don't do that by themselves.

I don't know how it is in the U.K., but in Norway and Sweden Islam and those who follow it are becoming a big problem. Not sure if Norway and Sweden would ever implement Sharia law, however it's hard to monitor what goes on behind closed doors. And when a woman is murdered for not wearing a veil in public, what are you going to do? Putting them in our luxury jails really doesn't do much, and besides the life is already lost.

We have a growing problem of Muslim men groping/feeling up and raping minors (especially around the 10 to 11 year old's), we also have a rape problem in general and it's already been recorded that the majority of the rapes are committed by immigrants from a non western society.

And what happens to these people? They're allowed to walk the streets. In VG.no, there was a story about a 25 year old Muslim man who is a serial rapist, he's allowed to wonder the streets.

Then we have a greater concern about Muslim children and the horrors they face through genital mutilation etc. This is something that happens behind closed doors and the Norwegian government is having a hard time putting a stop to it.

This is Islam in the West. It's not going to get any better. Even the so called "moderate" Muslims nod their head in agreement to what the more extreme Muslims do.

My mother recently broke up with an ex Muslim from Egypt. They've been together for over ten years. Hanging out with him has really given me an eye opener to what problems Islam gives the West. Laugh and call me a racist/bigot/ignorant etc. all you want. The truth hurts as they say.

'Bout time to wake up before it's a little too late.