Judge says medical-marijuana grower "miserably failed" to follow law

reply to post by iSHRED


When I talk, I do not "spout". Do you?

I only meant "good judge" because he knows all mj users lie.

And so he should know that - what are judges paid? About a trillion dollars.

And they are mostly crap old men.

Can anyone show me a young judge?

Keep voting republican and or democrat.. lets keep the war on plants going strong.

One one hand.. dude tempted Fed fate by seeking publicity, on the other.. it's WOD / Fed abuse / control BS.

There is one group of "Medical MJ" growers who fly low under radar, provide product, make a living and get along just fine... and there's another who make a fortune and or get noticed. Everyone knows people who "flaunt" disobeying "the man" get shat upon, made examples of... poop doesn't roll up the pyramid.

Drugs & "unlawful plants" are year after year best sellers, #1 on all charts without one dollar of advertising.. isn't a corporate America motto "good products sell themselves".. lol

And before you enlighten me that some drugs are "addictive".. this is true, but so are the "internet", "shopping" and "sex".. yet I don't see a war on Macs, Wall-mart, or vagina. I highly doubt those greedy fat Wall Street douche nozzles see brand cultism, "shopping addiction" or the whole "sex sells" thing as problems.

Poor (snip)'er is just another pawn.. some corporate pond-scum is gonna make lots of state cash incarcerating this poor dude.

theres no evidence that he broke state law.

colorado's laws regarding co-opting and caregiving are not clear. in most MMJ states one can easily have this many plants by being either of the two. in a scenario such as this he is growing the plants for multiple patients who would otherwise not be able to grow it themselves (apartment, school zone,ailment, city ordinance). each patient is allowed 6 mature plants

the article even infers that this was the case as it states "He did not ever meet the patients whom he was growing for". (which does not illegitimize their right to cultivate or have somebody cultivate for them-, this is the ridiculous part). and since he refered to himself as a caregiver im sure this was probably the stance he was taking.

like i said this is not some large illegal grow operation, this is your standard completely legal co-op. you think cancer patients have the time, money, strength, and equiptment to grow cannabis? half the time, a city will zone only a certain part of town for MMJ cultivation, and caregivers (person within that zone) are the only means to obtain the medication. plus theres less probable chance of fires if the grows are cultivated in one spot rather than spread across several houses throughout town.

you dont see the feds picking on other states where this is normal and rampant, because those other states have already ironed out their grey areas. Colorado has not, so the feds are just taking the opportunity to flex. but in the end it will play out how it always plays out, and that is eventually the state will cave in to the tax revenue, and pass legislation protecting its "Assets" from the feds. and then the feds will move on to whatever new state just adopted MMJ and still hasnt ironed out their grey areas, and so on and so forth.

im surprised at the amount of misinformation in this thread saying he broke state law.

he did nothing of the sort.

He was very much in violation of state law. You can not be a covicted felon (he had two prior felony drug convictions) and be a caregiver in Co. I also think he had more plants and harvested pot than was allowed per patient.

Amazing to me how ignorant of basic horticulture most people are.

Growing anything is a chancy business, whether indoor or outdoor. If you want X amount of produce from a plot, you'd better plant at least 2-3X plants, whether we're talking pot or tomatoes.

Mold, fungus, insects, thieves, critters...all take a toll on your crop.

With pot, if you grow from seed, a good third to half of the plants will wind up males, useless. But they won't show their sex for weeks to months depending on growing techniques and area.

Personally I'd like to see an automatic review of all laws over thirty years old to ascertain whether those laws were passed for proper and genuine reasons based on real science.

The pot laws in this country were originally designed to eliminate competition for wood pulp, and to give a tool to control minorites. They were never based upon any kind of valid science, and have no footing in any reality. None of the cliams against pot have ever been verified by any legitimate lab or scientific study.

Problem is that they support a very large law enforcement industry, and provide a convenient excuse to steal from people who are simply practicing agriculture. They also protect big Pharma from competition that would destry the market for anti-depressants and a host of other very dangerous and dubious drugs foisted on the public by the legal drug pushers: doctors.

Anti-pot laws have nothing whatsoever to do with protecting the public, and everything to do with protecting favored economic interests.

reply to post by apacheman


Those points are all very true, and now the laws persist in order to protect the interest of those industries that thrived by elimination of the competition mj would give.

I alos consider there is much to be gained by governments, and liberties lost by the people, by keeping a Drug War going. The more violence that can be created on the streets the more people beg government to intervene for their protection, even if that means giving up all privacies and expect to be inconvenienced. Intrusions by LE then are a sign government is working to protect them - Hogwash, it is working to make things worse, by intent.

In these efforts TPTB has an ally in the very popular weed. Its popularity only helps to lubricate the plan to wedge the government into our bedchambers. And now mj's advocates advocates are pitted against each other as evidnced in California's struggle for recreational legalization against the de facto legalized medical users, and now especially from the profit-making suppliers in that industry.

ok gonna try to do this with out getting any kind of warning as i usualy get some in these kinds of threads but i have worked at medical places in cali and montana and seen shady club owners who had 10kplus plant guerrilla grow ops to go with there legal ones and worked with people who have followed the letter of the law per what state they were doing it in the problem with the medical marijuana movement as i see it now is two fold one yeah the feds can and will arrest any one they want when ever they want and two the people who keep either writing very vague laws on medical marijuana (ie Montana and to a lesser extent Colorado) that lead to gray areas that are often but not always abused by people out to make money and make it quick and those are the real enemy's of the movement but to say that the guy was following the law with out meeting his patients is suspect

ive seen the lines out the door to get a card in cali where you only see the doctor for 15 minutes but at least need medical records to get a card,to getting a card in montana over skype(met with the doctor over skype never even met him in person)and not even needing reccords,ive seen shady and clean grow ops in cali and oregon but most of the "law breakers" were from kalispell Montana where id been living recently and the only reason they were breaking the law was cuz it was so easy because of the gray areas soo well hell my old boss who i wont name for legal reasons was caught on camera with too many plants for a legal grow op in montana but the cops showed up (local not fed) and told him he had to many plants as a curtosy and let him cut them down now where he broke the law is when they sent in an undercover cop to buy weed from him with a card he sold them the pot he just cut down on camera so hes defiantly screwed.sorry for the rant just trying more to give my opinion of what ive seen in most of the western states medical laws and whatnot

reply to post by mtnshredder


fair enough. then a state trooper should have served the warrant, not a federal agent.

reply to post by RelentlessLurker

For certain reasons they were out to get this guy. They knew the Federal charges would stick and it trumps state law. So, why bother charging him where the letter of the law may have been gray. I don't think he should have been handed the sentence he got. The real bummer for him is he has to serve 100% of his sentence. There is no get out of jail early card with a Federal charge.

This guy's to stupid to be smoking pot in the first place. Who in their right mind would invite a TV crew to their house, so they can brag about their federally illegal crop and all the money their making, when you have two prior felony drug convictions on your record. "Stupid is as stupid does" comes to mind.