The ghost towns of China: Amazing satellite images show cities meant to be home to millions-Deserted

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Thank You again my friend anon72, You do me great Honors in your words and may you and your family, Be Healthy, Happy and Wise.

China's biggest opportunity for wealth and growth for it's peoples came only because, Chairman Mao died, there is no if and or buts about it. There were a few good people in the Central Committee and they did what was right for China and the Chinese People, who were living in poverty and working 15 hours a day and their children were also going to work at age 12. In the 1950s, one of five children died before the age of one.
In Asia, children are sometimes seen less as individuals who are supposed to find themselves and more as people within a family unit that have responsibilities to the family unit and are required to help keep the family going.
Children are generally encouraged to spend their time studying not playing outside or participating in sports. Parents put a lot of pressure on their kids to study.
Todays Education in China, In the early 1980s, science and technology education became an important focus of education policy. By 1986 training skilled personnel and expanding scientific and technical knowledge had been assigned the highest priority. Although the humanities were considered important, vocational and technical skills were considered paramount for meeting China's modernization goals.

Did you catch That Key Phrase? China's modernization goals and I forgot to add above, from at least 1976, the education system in China has been geared toward Economic Modernization.

OK My Friends, It's working, and the new Middle Class and Upper Middle Class have the new homes to award their hard work, Only if they can afford them and they are working hard to achieve those goals.

250 million Chinese get three levels of school education, Elementary, Junior and Senior high school, doubling the rate of increase in the rest of the world during the same period. Overall elementary school enrollment has reached 98.9 percent, and the gross enrollment rate in junior high schools 94.1 percent.

The Children of the Chinese Parents of today, Know, They need an Education of they want to live that life style.

Now to your statement my friend anon72 about their military build up of late, YOU ARE SO VERY CORRECT!

Yes, China only wishes to protect their interest, their home land is still of the utmost importance to them.
China has the Economic Might to be a World Power, Militarily. Knowing my countrymen and sister as will as I do, I can safely say: the below source taken from: en.wikipedia.org...'s_Republic_of_China
They are not interested in attacking America and here is another reason why, In the 2009 test of the Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA), a worldwide evaluation of 15-year-old school pupils' scholastic performance by the OECD, Chinese students from Shanghai achieved the best results in mathematics, science and reading. The OECD also found that even in some of the very poor rural areas the performance is close to the OECD average.

They don't need to fight a war with us, they will just out smart us. You won't find your average Chinese Teenager playing a video game or watching t.v. all day, they normally have at least 2 or 3 hours of home work each night and 8 or 10 hours of home work over the weekend.

I'm so very sorry, I went off topic and I'm quiet sure no one wanted to read all of this, MOD: please feel free to delete if you feel I have over stepped the rules of the thread.
Guohua

Originally posted by GLantern101
It could be a few things:

1) China's population numbers are fudged.
2) They are planning ahead building new cities knowing they are going to need them for future citizens.
3) They are planning ahead building new cities knowing they are going to need them for future slaves (USA).
4) Toxic Chemical Spill

LOL @ Building gorgeous cities for their slaves....Yeah like us Americans are just gonna go.
It has to be future citizens.

Originally posted by antmax21

Originally posted by GLantern101
It could be a few things:

1) China's population numbers are fudged.
2) They are planning ahead building new cities knowing they are going to need them for future citizens.
3) They are planning ahead building new cities knowing they are going to need them for future slaves (USA).
4) Toxic Chemical Spill

LOL @ Building gorgeous cities for their slaves....Yeah like us Americans are just gonna go.
It has to be future citizens.

Reply to this quote: ["Yeah like us Americans are just gonna go.
It has to be future citizens."]

But you Americans can go,,, If you'd just check into China's job opportunity's you'd find that there are jobs in China for you at Chinese Schools teaching young school children how to speck, read and write English. You don't even have to speck Mandarin Chinese they provide you with, an interpreter, housing, pay every month and a beautiful country to explore.
Get your passport and check into it, for those of you that would like to travel and need a job, I think it's like, $1000.00 USD a month and some contracts include an apartment, you'd have to take public transportation of-course.
A Slave NO,,,, Treated with respect and kindness, Yes.

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Keep on amazing me/us.

I didn't know one could go to China and teach etc. Do you have to have a teachers certification type of thing?

Hmmmm. Maybe the wife and I can head on over there for awhile. I believe Tax Free. there is supper discussion for the night.

Originally posted by anon72
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Keep on amazing me/us.

I didn't know one could go to China and teach etc. Do you have to have a teachers certification type of thing?

Hmmmm. Maybe the wife and I can head on over there for awhile. I believe Tax Free. there is supper discussion for the night.

Hello, My friend, Guohua's husband here.
No teaching certificates require, you only need to have a H/S diploma and be able to speck clearly and have really good grammar.
Be prepared to have the children set in your class room at the position of attention and all eyes will be on YOU!
Also, you'll be asked to many of the parents home for tutoring their children, that will be extra pay to you from the parents and of-course they will have you over for supper.
Remember when entering the home, remove your shoes and never sit cross legged showing the bottom of your feet.
The children will be teaching their parents, English. Yes, your interpreter will either join you or you'll have to find a friend that is good in both languages. Because, you will be invited to their homes and all the family members will want to see the Americans.
Did I teach English, no, I'm not a good teacher.
You can go here and look:www.transitionsabroad.com...
www.soyouwanna.com...
You really should read this: hubpages.com...
and here: www.traveldroppings.com...
www.teachabroad.com...
answers.yahoo.com...
here is a course that will guarantee you a job overseas. www.americantesol.com...
I guess things have changed a little.

My wife just said NO Way. Are you Nuts?!! lol

To that I answered....

Anyway. Thank you for the info and I hope someone else can utilize it.

I think it would be cool. A good friend of mine taught in Japan for 7 years and Tailand for 4 before returning. It must be the same type of program. I know that my buddy had on heck of a time. I still can chisle the smile off his face when he talks about his times there. Lucky bastard. lol

Originally posted by anon72
My wife just said NO Way. Are you Nuts?!! lol

To that I answered....

Anyway. Thank you for the info and I hope someone else can utilize it.

I think it would be cool. A good friend of mine taught in Japan for 7 years and Tailand for 4 before returning. It must be the same type of program. I know that my buddy had on heck of a time. I still can chisle the smile off his face when he talks about his times there. Lucky bastard. lol

[ My wife just said NO Way. Are you Nuts?!! Quote]
That is So Funny I'm sorry, but it is.
I understand she may have some fear or not want to be away from family and friends. Yes, I understand.

I'll say this though and please listen to me on this subject.
It will only be a matter of time, before to compete in the financial business world, you'll need some understanding of Mandarin Chinese Yes and you can take that shocked look off of all your faces out there

I worked for our Government for over 30 years and spent some time in China, Their new generation of young people are very, very, very,,, intelligent in Economics and all Forms of Business and Money Matters.

Do you really believe they built those huge new cities for show No, they are for the new up and coming wealthy Chinese citizens, that understand, Business, Economics.

Do any of you remember Joss Whedon's episode called FireFly?
They spoke a mish-mash of Cantonese Chinese and English. Cantonese was an easy language to get help for during script writing and filming I have to assume. They more than likely new people that lived in China Town in San Fran. CA. and called for advice when they needed help pronouncing a word.
The absolute language of their Military and their Banking, all Financial and Economic dealings are in Mandarin Chinese.
You want to get a head start for the future, for you and your children? teach yourself and your children some Mandarin.
My wife teaches Mandarin at a private school here in Phoenix, Arizona one day a week for 2 hours and her students and their upper middle class parents love her. Some of these parents are bankers and business owners in Scottsdale AZ.
I think they know whats coming and the private schools here can't find enough Mandarin teachers
JOSS WHEDON and FireFly and Serenity the movie.

I'm sorry, I have gone off topic, My wife was yanking in my ear about something and I was just typing what I knew to be true.

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The location of this proposed mega-city interests me.

Here is why.

Planning ahead, the moderates you mentioned would have fully anticipated the death of the elderly Chairman.

en.wikipedia.org...

Positive non-interventionism was the economic policy of Hong Kong during British rule. It was first officially implemented in 1971 by John James Cowperthwaite, who observed that the economy was doing well in the absence of government intervention but it was important to create the regulatory and physical infrastructure to facilitate market-based decision making. The policy was continued by subsequent Financial Secretaries, including Sir Philip Haddon-Cave. Economist Milton Friedman has cited it as a fairly comprehensive implementation of laissez-faire policy, although Haddon-Cave has stated that the description of Hong Kong as a laissez-faire society was "frequent but inadequate"

Cowperthwaite, a Scot working for British Civil Services, was Financial Secretary of Hong Kong 1961-71. Cowperthwaite and the PRC moderates probably had diplomatic relations that were not necessarily compatible with the leader's agenda.

Mao's death in 1976.

The development of Guangdong province, situated immediately north of Hong Kong.

en.wikipedia.org...

Shenzhen's novel and modern cityscape is the result of the vibrant economy made possible by rapid foreign investment since the late 1970s, when it was a small fishing village.

en.wikipedia.org...

1978–1990
Since 1978, China began to make major reforms to its economy. The Chinese leadership adopted a pragmatic perspective on many political and socioeconomic problems, and sharply reduced the role of ideology in economic policy. Political and social stability, economic productivity, and public and consumer welfare were considered paramount and indivisible. In these years, the government emphasized raising personal income and consumption and introducing new management systems to help increase productivity. The government also had focused on foreign trade as a major vehicle for economic growth. In the 1980s, China tried to combine central planning with market-oriented reforms to increase productivity, living standards, and technological quality without exacerbating inflation, unemployment, and budget deficits. Reforms began in the agricultural, industrial, fiscal, financial, banking, price setting, and labor systems

A decision was made in 1978 to permit foreign direct investment in several small "special economic zones" along the coast.

Sovereign handover of Hong Kong in 1997 and instead of communism as Mao probably planned, Hong Kong kept her markets and continued trading with the world as she had under British rule.

Just like Macau in 1999.

And over the last decade, the trade growth between PRC and Taiwan.


In terms of socio-economic construct, what do you think the future holds for China? A laisse-faire socialist system? A meritocracy maybe? And do you think China's future is completely planned and if so, are there any contingency plans to deal with random events or the counter-planning of other interests?


ETA

What of rural areas? Do you think they will see much change, more choice and opportunities? Those cities being populated by the well educated economically active and astute young middle classes whilst life in rural areas remain relatively unchanged sounds a little Brave New World. How do you see the growth of the middle classes impacting on the family culture of intergenerational care and support?

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Hello teapot, I suppose you are asking me some questions and I will try and answer them for you.

One thing every one needs to remember, the death of Mao in 1976, was the saving grace of China and it's people.
As my wife mentioned in a earlier post in this thread, there were some members in the Central Committee at the time that were looking to the future of China and new it was in economics.

In terms of socio-economic construct, what do you think the future holds for China? A laisse-faire socialist system? A meritocracy maybe? And do you think China's future is completely planned and if so, are there any contingency plans to deal with random events or the counter-planning of other interests?

YES, China's future is and has been completely planned out for decades. Look at the land mass of China.
Look at China's Population, They have the work force and their people have the will to work.
Look at an earlier post by my wife at the Education of your average Chinese student and their test score to include the Rural Areas of China.
Education of their young people in the workings of Economics, Business and Government is the key to China's success. If you haven't noticed, China has purposely kept the value of their money down on the open market, Why do you think they would do such a thing?
They are not stupid, They know, Americans and of-course other people can come to China and spend and spend and spend and the whole time, getting a Great exchange rate.
China holds these funds in the Central Bank of China and reinvest using, You guessed it, your monies.

OK My wife mentioned we own a condo in China, It has Tripled in price sense we bought it, that was last year, 2010.
I remember some one passing bogus information about a housing bubble in China That Had Burst!!
Total B. S.

What of rural areas? Do you think they will see much change, more choice and opportunities? Those cities being populated by the well educated economically active and astute young middle classes whilst life in rural areas remain relatively unchanged sounds a little Brave New World. How do you see the growth of the middle classes impacting on the family culture of intergenerational care and support?

The rural areas are growing and if you'd travel to China and go to some of the rural cities, you'll find people that own their own small business and are exporting and the best thing is, their homes they are having built,,,, are not apartments or condos, they are very much houses like you see in other countries.
The growth of the middle class and its impact on the Family Values of Chinese People.
It will only make it Stronger, Way do you think the male to female ratio is so out unbalanced in China, the one child per. family law that as been changed thank god.
Males take care of the elderly, the Chinese wife marries into the husbands family and helps to take care of his parents. The elderly parents will actually move into their home and have an honored place at the table or one of the children will stop by and check on and visit with the parents every day.

This will not change, it is taught and kind of inbreed into them I think. I know my wife talks to her parents every night and we do send monies if they are in need and they know that anytime they could move to our condo and live there rent free.
That is the Love these people have for their elders that sacrificed so much for them to have the opportunities they have today.
That culture of intergenerational care and support will be there and I think may be even stronger in the rural areas of China.

I hope this helped.
I felt complied to add this link after I read another poster claiming that China's Economy was in the CRAPPIER.
Apple Stores in China Outsell Fifth Avenue as Nation Outgrows Gray Market
www.bloomberg.com...

I invested in BRIC [Brazil, Russia, India, China] funds a couple of years ago and am reaping the benefits.
Savy investors realized years ago that emerging nations like China would be economic powerhouses in the future.

The future is now!




www.telegraph.co.uk...

Originally posted by whaaa
I invested in BRIC [Brazil, Russia, India, China] funds a couple of years ago and am reaping the benefits.
Savy investors realized years ago that emerging nations like China would be economic powerhouses in the future.

The future is now!

Thank You, whaaa.
You are Absolutely Correct in your post above, Do you agree with me that a lot has to do with the fact, The Central bank of China as purposely kept the value of the Chinese yuan at such a low rate against other currency?

I think today you would get 650.00 Chinese Yuan for $100 United States Dollars.
So, your average middle class Chinese family in China bring home about 6000.00 to 7000.00 Yuan a month. That would be ruffly $1063.00 a month in US dollars to be middle class in China.

Perhaps these cities are being constructed , houses sold or rented Ie bonds ect up front, the hordes sign up with the promise of work aka the Industrial revolution in the UK a while ago...but then the newcomers are executed on mass?....nameless , faceless peasants, then the advertisements are issued agian" come to this shining new city , be the first to live here...and then bang bang once again , the power stations of China have new fuel?
Think about it ? Houses sold and rented over and over , an inexhaustible supply of energy for the Power Plants.
Humans can be of many use to Party , ho ho, Chop suey, and fried eyes.

This thread is a hoax. Two seconds of searching on a map with satelite view shows hundreds if nto thousands of cars passing these so called abondoned places.

www.bing.com...

Originally posted by libertytoall
This thread is a hoax. Two seconds of searching on a map with satelite view shows hundreds if nto thousands of cars passing these so called abondoned places.

www.bing.com...

You didn't read any of the replys from people did you. You just went to bing.com/maps and because you see cars on the roads traveling to and fro,,, it's a hoax.
Please come back when your old enough to drive or at least take public transportantion to your apartment and tell us if you see cars on the roads just going different places. If you do, It's a HOAX!

Umm you're saying it's abandoned and satelite shows thousands of people how do you explain yourselves? There's a housing bubble in China and yes some buildings have high vacancy but to go crazy and say the cities are abandoned is astonishingly ignorant. One of the cities, Zhengzhou, is the capital of Henan Province, and one of the oldest cities in China. Some abandoned conspiracy theory you got there...

Originally posted by libertytoall
Umm you're saying it's abandoned and satelite shows thousands of people how do you explain yourselves?

Again, I never said it was Abandon.
I said people in China pay a premium to buy those apartments and condos.
As a matter of fact,, if you had read the post to this thread you'd read the post I made stating my husband and I own one of the Condos and my parents live there.
Some thing else you need to be aware of, those cars you claim to see so clearly showing thousands of people,,,,,,,,, they are not all traveling to that destination,,,,,,there are other places to go and other places in that area to shop and live.

If you have not been to China, you have absolutely no concept as to how populated their cities are.

My home city of Harbin is the capital city of Heilongjiang province, China's most North-easterly province. The province has a population of 39 million and Harbin's population is officially 10 million with about 4 million living in the city proper, making Harbin China's 8th largest city. As the Province's largest city and capital, Harbin's economy is largely white collar, servicing the primarily agricultural and heavy industry bases of the rest of the province.
The average income in Harbin is about 700 RMB and the cost of living is lower than other cities. Therefore most people earning 1,000 consider it to be a good income. For food and basic shopping, a person can live comfortably on 1,000. However, most foreigners spend more than that because they tend to buy more imported goods and eat more frequently in restaurants including McDonalds, Pizza Hut and KFC.

History of Harbin
Archaeological records show that prehistoric humans lived in the area around Harbin as long ago as 22,000 years ago. To date, more than ten prehistoric sites have been discovered in the region. In historical times, about a dozen aboriginal ethnic groups, including the Manchu who ruled China during the Qing Dynasty (1644-1911), lived and built their kingdoms in Harbin. By the end of the 19th Century, about 30,000 people lived in what are now the urban districts of the city.

So, for about $100.00 month you could live a very good life in Harbin China. $100.00 US would be nearly 800.00 RMB.
You could teach English to Chinese students in Harbin and not even need to speck or understand Mandarin Chinese, an interpreter will be supplied to you as will as your apartment and a salary that is usually $1000.00 a month.

Now, Please read the other post and learn some thing. Get out of your basement and stop relying on satellite imagines, they are not always up to date.

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I don't even know why they try to take you on.

You are a walking library. I swear.

Great info and well presented. Thank you.

Star

Originally posted by Reptius
I don't think they're going to go to war with the US but if they are planning on fighting a war at some time, this is a pretty good tatic to use incase of invasion.

I couldn't help but laugh when I read that because for some random reason I imagined them floating over here on a boat to use in an invasion...

But in all seriousness though, the cities look fantastic! Exactly like an ideal future city would look. Even if they are simply hollow shells as someone earlier mentioned, at least they look nice. They have a very futuristic style about them when compared to somewhere like New York or Los Angeles; not that there's anything necessarily wrong with either of those cities.