UFOs we know them as in Discs, don't you think they have evolved to jet or so like form?

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I'm pretty sure you are on the wrong site, you should head over to www.It-Is-Definitely-An-ET-Craft-No-Doubt-About-It.com.

It's got all the info you'll ever need.

-m0r

Originally posted by MasonicFantom
1) isn't just a "blip" like all those bugs are in the vid

Many of the bugs in the video are...

Originally posted by MasonicFantom
2) doesn't splat on the windshield

Neither do all of the bugs in the video...

Originally posted by MasonicFantom
3) moves in an exact linear fashion

Right...because we know that is impossible for objects close to the camera...

Originally posted by MasonicFantom
4) it's in MOSCOW Russia during winter on a freeway

It is not during the winter. Russia Times posted the video October 9, 2009. Not quite winter yet in Moscow.

Originally posted by MasonicFantom
5) an insect doesn't just appear from nowhere

It does when it is being filmed by a low-quality cell phone camera.

Originally posted by MasonicFantom
if it did, that would mean it would strike the vehicle directly and thus splatter on the windshield...

No, as proven by the video I posted.

Originally posted by MasonicFantom
There's probably 5 other things I can mention without even having to analyze the vid, but fear the logic would be wasted.

And once again you resort to insults instead of a cogent argument.

Originally posted by MasonicFantom
Everything I stated in my above post is basic physics & easily verifiable visual phenomena comparing the 2 vids. If you didn't even understand that then any complex jargon with vid analysis equipment would be wasted on you anyway.

You are evading and using insults to disguise it.

Why the mods have not brought the hammer down on you, I don't know. I thought Civility and Decorum were necessary.

Many of the bugs in the video are...

Once again, you either didn't read my post or didn't comprehend it (so I ask yet again, why do you make comments when you're ill-informed?). Here's what I said.

I especially love the part where you show a vid of bugs splatting on a windshield and try to equate that to the other vid which 1) isn't just a "blip" like all those bugs are in the vid

= The object in the Moscow video is not a blip like in the bug video.

Neither do all of the bugs in the video...[not splatting on the windshield]

The points I was laying out that you quoted was an accumulation. 1) It did not splat 2) it appears from nowhere (read carefully now, point 1 and point 2 contradict one another if it were an insect) 3) It's too chilly for it to likely be an insect 4) If it were an insect it would have to appear from nowhere, love chilling temperature, avoid being splattered on the windshield by flying backwards at least 60mph at an instant and then trace itself out to the side of the screen in a perfect linear fashion. Please show me this super hero insect.

@the vid you just posted, thanks for wasting my time to show nothing?

It is not during the winter. Russia Times posted the video October 9, 2009. Not quite winter yet in Moscow.

I am glad you looked it up. I looked it up too though and see the average temp for Oct in Moscow is 37 F. Still not a temperature for any insects to be randomly flying around freeways.

It does when it is being filmed by a low-quality cell phone camera.

1) Which that cam in Moscow wasn't. The quality was excellent considering Youtube's uploader converts all uploaded videos which also makes vids slightly grainy. 2) Show me an object "appearing" from nowhere & that traces across the sky that has the same quality as that vid that's taken from a cell phone camera. You will not find that because even with a low-quality cell phone cam an object will appear to grow larger for the initial moments--but it will not appear from thin air.

Why the mods have not brought the hammer down on you, I don't know. I thought Civility and Decorum were necessary.

Probably because you're letting your personal bias towards me affect your commenting at this point. You're no longer using logic (or reading all the material in each post) & are grasping for straws. Besides, I'm not breaking any rules by giving my personal opinion. It's not name calling to suggest that an explanation would not be understood by another member.

TheLegend:
Fantom your observations make ample sense (comparing the vids & explaining how it's not an insect but an aerial craft) and I don't see how anyone would not understand it....If someone is asking for more "proof" than that, then they're hopeless.

Even if we're looking at it objectively the very least it would be is a "UFO" (something unidentified that is flying) due to the no splatter & it appearing from nowhere. The most you can do is make an educated guess about what it is (whether man-made classified craft or ET) and in which case, there's no right or wrong. Due to basic things mason pointed out already tho, it's almost impossible to be an insect.

Exactly. The 2 most logical possibilities are ET craft or classified man-made craft. Fairies are not logical (fairy being just representative of anything else), tho I know m0r would love to argue with that but if his life depended on guessing whether "fairy-like explanation" or "ET UFO" he would chose the later.

Originally posted by MasonicFantom
Once again, you either didn't read my post or didn't comprehend it (so I ask yet again, why do you make comments when you're ill-informed?). Here's what I said.

I read it and disagreed, giving my reasons for disagreeing. Once again you are relying on insults.

Originally posted by MasonicFantom
isn't just a "blip" like all those bugs are in the vid

Not all of the bugs in the video "blip". They move across the screen. Watch it again. Either you did not watch the video or you did not comprehend it. Why are you commenting when you are ill-informed?

Originally posted by MasonicFantom
1) It did not splat

Nor do all the bugs in the video I posted.

Either you did not watch the video or you did not comprehend it. Why are you commenting when you are ill-informed?

Originally posted by MasonicFantom
2) it appears from nowhere

read carefully As do the bugs in the video I posted. Either you did not watch the video or you did not comprehend it. Why are you commenting when you are ill-informed?

And read carefully as would any tiny object when it is close enough for the camera to see. If that is so hard for you to comprehend, then why are you commenting on things you cannot comprehend.

Originally posted by MasonicFantom
It's too chilly for it to likely be an insect

As we know neither the temperature or what bugs inhabit Moscow that time of year, we cannot say if it was or was not too chilly.

Originally posted by MasonicFantom
4) If it were an insect it would have to appear from nowhere

Not out of nowhere, when the (relatively) poor quality cell phone camera was able to pick it up. Either you have ignored my previous comments about it or you cannot comprehend it. Why are you commenting when you are ill-informed?

Originally posted by MasonicFantom
avoid being splattered on the windshield

Originally posted by MasonicFantom
by flying backwards

Ludicrous. It would not be "flying backwards". Can you not comprehend how stationary objects will appear to move in relation to an object in motion? Why are you commenting when you are ill-informed?

Originally posted by MasonicFantom
at an instant

Not an instant. At least two seconds. You obviously have not watched the video. Why are you commenting when you are so ill-informed.

Originally posted by MasonicFantom
and then trace itself

Whatever that means.

Originally posted by MasonicFantom
out to the side of the screen in a perfect linear fashion.

And?

You find that incredible...yet you think the reasonable explanation is an alien craft appeared out of nowhere (without knowing if alien craft would even be capable of such a feat) coming from a Hole Punch Cloud that you still refuse to acknowledge as such.

Originally posted by MasonicFantom
@the vid you just posted, thanks for wasting my time to show nothing?

Obviously you did not watch the video. Why are you commenting when you are ill-informed?

Originally posted by MasonicFantom
Still not a temperature for any insects to be randomly flying around freeways.

Please back that up. Prove there are no insects that operate in chilly weather.

Originally posted by MasonicFantom
Which that cam in Moscow wasn't. The quality was excellent considering Youtube's uploader converts all uploaded videos which also makes vids slightly grainy.

Yet you missed all the pixels in the video. Why are you commenting when you are so ill-informed?

Originally posted by MasonicFantom
2) Show me an object "appearing" from nowhere & that traces across the sky that has the same quality as that vid that's taken from a cell phone camera.

I did...in the insect video I posted that you obviously did not watch. Why are you commenting when you are ill-informed?

Originally posted by MasonicFantomYou will not find that because even with a low-quality cell phone cam an object will appear to grow larger for the initial moments--but it will not appear from thin air.

Not if the quality is low and the speed fast enough.

It's not name calling to suggest that an explanation would not be understood by another member.

Except that you have called names several times and insulted anyone who disagrees with you. That is a violation of the T&C.

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Your posts are simply looking childish now & you're taking things out of context. Just stop.

Originally posted by MasonicFantom
Probably because you're letting your personal bias towards me affect your commenting at this point. You're no longer using logic & are grasping for straws. Besides, I'm not breaking any rules by giving my personal opinion. It's not name calling to suggest that an explanation would not be understood by another member.

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Good question. I don't think some understood what you meant here. Flag from me for an original concept I'd not seen discussed here before.

If I'm understanding you right, your saying that it is possible, if the discs and others are Alien in origin, they have learned to disguise themselves as ordinary aircraft to escape detection.

Good observation and worth thinking about.

Originally posted by TheLegend
Your posts are simply looking childish now & you're taking things out of context. Just stop.

Absolutely nothing has been taken out of context. If something has been taken out of context, please, point it out. As MasonicFantom refuses to respond to disagreement in a civil manner, I refuse to respond to him in a civil manner. I have not said anything to MasonicFantom he has not said repeatedly to others in this discussion.

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Above you were quoting 3 words at a time in some cases. That is taking something out of context. A full message cannot even be conveyed in 3 words yet you're making comments on it. Get over your bias.

I reported this topic.

From what i have found, endured and had the patience of dealing with is the FAKE PLANES phenomena roots to a certain group of hoaxers and loons among youtube.It then became host to other attention seekers alike. Nut Jobs like Robert Thorson "kingufokid" and Alison Kruse "seeingUFOsPA" I tried to give them the benefit of the doubt and it always turned out to be...


you guessed it , Air Planes.

Mind you these claims and such footage is always in the vicinity of a local air port sometimes more than one. I have heard more absurd claims and bothered with researching then this and I am what you would call a believer. Aliens using the illusion of a air plane technique to go unnoticed is inconsistent with the craft that are seen without disguise. It does not make sense at all, if they cant make up their minds if wanting to be noticed then wanting to imitate our craft says to me they are not an advanced species. Because there is NO SUCH THING AS FAKE PLANES.


Now there is a suspicion that the Military possess Holographic Technology and some of these cases could be the product of that. But really nothing much to go on there as far as evidence and proof worth considering.


Food for thought


If it Looks like a Plane, Fly's like a Plane, Sounds like a Plane

It is probably a plane

Originally posted by MasonicFantom
Above you were quoting 3 words at a time in some cases. That is taking something out of context.

No, it is called responding point-by-point. If you make several claims within a single statement, then there is nothing wrong with responding to each of them alone. Nothing was taken out of context. If I took something out of context, please point to specific examples.

Originally posted by MasonicFantom
Get over your bias.

No one is "biased" against you. Insulting and name-calling is just that, insulting and name-calling. It is uncivil and immature.

Originally posted by MasonicFantom
I reported this topic.

Hilarious. You spend the entire thread insulting anyone that does not agree with you but the moment someone responds to you in the same condescending manner, you report it. Priceless.

Here is a good example of how this works


www.youtube.com...

Fake Planes, Morphing Planes

It does nothing but discredit the UFO subject more than it has to deal wit all ready.

Originally posted by TheLegend
You need help kiddo.

Please point to where I took anything out of context.

And for that matter, please point to specific examples of the egregious acts I've committed that MasonicFantom has not.

Specific examples or admit you are just doing what MasonicFantom has done throughout this thread, making wild claims then refusing to back them up.

Originally posted by Unknown Soldier
It does nothing but discredit the UFO subject more than it has to deal wit all ready.

Ah yes, the spectre of Allison Krause. This thread does exist in her shadow, doesn't it?

I cannot help but to wonder what the point of it is. If aliens coming here can disguise their craft as earthly vehicles, where does it leave us? The same place were already are.

I also cannot help but to think there isn't something a bit insidious about this topic. Though, to be clear, I am not accusing the topic-originator of any malice. But I am certain there are those who would like to point to every object in the sky, no matter how mundane, as "proof".

Hey WIngedBull, don't validate insults from the Foofey field.

They want to see foofey's and talk about it like they are at pre-school then let them.

Just do what you do and call them on it the minute the try to make it sound like fact.

Mr "Oh I'm a fighter pilot - honest they let me fly planes with weapons" seems to think that his explanation doesn't require evidence, but anything countering it produces tons of scepticism from him...really funny to watch. Make sure his drool cup is in place before you leave him.

His gimp is even funnier. Just quips in with the odd words of support or to call you a bad un'.

I don't think you can make sense to people who like in fictional realities. Let them go and shoot a senator or something since that's the only way we'll get everyone else to stop playing make believe.

-m0r

Tbh, you have yet to produce evidence of it being an insect or any other phenomena. I could be anal and make that claim. If we held a poll about it, I'm highly confident many would agree with me because your points lack even basic understandings of physics & video evidence which I have abundantly covered w/o having to do investigative research with advanced software.

I can also be anal and use semantic arguments like you, difference is, I'm an adult and you like to be petty.

All I see are 2 children screaming "show me more" when they have yet to digest what was already given to them.

Originally posted by m0r1arty
Mr "Oh I'm a fighter pilot - honest they let me fly planes with weapons" seems to think that his explanation doesn't require evidence

Ha. I think it is quite clear this "gentleman" has no idea what he is talking about. If you cannot back up your claims without resorting to insults, it is proof enough.

Though I doubt he is able to comprehend that we know he's a liar.

Originally posted by m0r1arty
His gimp is even funnier. Just quips in with the odd words of support or to call you a bad un'.

Nothing but a sock-puppet.

Originally posted by m0r1arty
I don't think you can make sense to people who like in fictional realities. Let them go and shoot a senator or something since that's the only way we'll get everyone else to stop playing make believe.

Excellent point. MasonicFantom does show psychopathic tendencies. He lies then rages when he is called on those lies.

Originally posted by MasonicFantom
Tbh, you have yet to produce evidence of it being an insect or any other phenomena.

I have produced much more than you have, you have refused to acknowledge it. When asked to provide evidence I provide it, not refuse then insult those who asked for it.

Originally posted by MasonicFantomIf we held a poll about it, I'm highly confident many would agree with me

An appeal to popularity fallacy, then?

Originally posted by MasonicFantom
because your points lack even basic understandings of physics & video evidence which I have abundantly covered

Actually, you have not covered it at all. When asked to do so, you refuse then issue insults.

Originally posted by MasonicFantom
I can also be anal and use semantic arguments like you

Please show us where I have used "semantic arguments".

Originally posted by MasonicFantom
, difference is, I'm an adult

You are hardly anything of the sort. If you were an adult, you would not feel the need to continuously insult those who disagree with you.