Pateint brought back to life after 3HR's

This is quite fascinating to say the least, if there are similar stories out there of people being resuscitated after such a long period of time, it is news to me..

A man whose heart had stopped was brought back from the dead after three and a half hours thanks to a machine that performed 20,000 life-saving compressions.
Arun Bhasin, 53, was found lying unconscious in Croydon in December temperatures of -10C. He was rushed to Croydon University Hospital but suffered a cardiac arrest.

The Story

"Does anyone know of such a period of time of death that is on record for these events anything less than extraordinary?"

The temp is the key

the colder you are at the moment of cardiac arrest, the longer you have for resuscitation.


One day, someone will have a brilliant idea of having deep freeze facilities installed in ambulances and hospitals so a patient whom is dying can be numbed and basically frozen until such a time as their problems are worked on with plenty of time and revived.

But meh, since when are people intelligent.

There are stories of people whom fell through ice that have been "dead" for a considerable amount of time before being revived..

In an incident that serves as a reminder that many upper limits of stress on the human body remain unknown, a 2-year-old girl from Salt Lake City was revived without serious brain damage 66 minutes after a sibling saw her fall into an ice-cold creek. Her doctors report in the July 15 JOURNAL OF THE AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION that "as far as we know, this is the longest time ever reported" for a person to have gone without breathing and be revived.

The toddler was pulled from water measured to be 41[deg.]F; rescurers recorded the child's body temperature at approximately 66[deg.]F. She was wheeled into the operating room two hours after her rescue and placed on a heart-lung pump equipped with a warmer.

-story was from 1988

Once we have a way of mending broken cells from total freeze damage, then cryostasis will be the new way to be "buried". Anyone not signing up for cryogenics whom can afford it at this point is missing the boat for serious longevity.

I know someone that was hit by lightning and was declared dead.
I don't know how long he was dead. However he awoke in the morgue.

He was on the slab with the toe tag on his foot and the sheet over him.
He sat up and looked around. There was a guy working in the morgue and eating a sandwhich.
When the guy say my friend he screamed and flung the sandwhich.

We call my friend Lightning Rob and he has the toe tag to prove it.
Funny though Rob still has some effects from his experience. Sometimes he'll be talking to you and stop speaking all of the sudden. After a few seconds he continues. I guess something got short circuited.

Originally posted by SaturnFX
Once we have a way of mending broken cells from total freeze damage, then cryostasis will be the new way to be "buried". Anyone not signing up for cryogenics whom can afford it at this point is missing the boat for serious longevity.

Cryonics is the science of rapidly cooling living tissue.

Cryogenics is the manufacturing of liquid gasses.

The problem with freezing tissue is that the liquid in the cell crystallizes and ruptures the cells membrane. On thawing, the once living cell is, as totally destroyed. What cryonics is attempting is to freeze the tissue rapidly enough that all molecular motion ceases, therefore crystallization never occurs. This has not been proven to work. If you managed to freeze something molecularly, you would need a method to thaw it just as rapidly. Otherwise in the thawing process you would cross the point where crystallization occurs and destroy the cells anyway.

I think you are onto something in regards to having freezers in ambulances. The idea is not to freeze the body, but to maintain the temperature low enough that cellular decay is slowed.

As for cryonic storage for the long term, perhaps for cloning.

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Funny coincidence that I should read this thread right now, because my tv is on in my office, and I have it on the Bio channel watching a show called I SURVIVED...BEYOND AND BACK. It's a show dedicated to people giving their NDE testimony. I really appreciate this show, and would recommend it all. The people are clearly genuine in the relaying of their experience, and they all have independent confirmation of their deaths (ie. they were registered dead by medical authorities for an certain amount of time). No matter what your beliefs, the stories are comforting to the extreme. Honestly, check it out. Peace...

I have a wild card for you... woman came back to life after rigor mortis. This story really gave me the heebie jeebies. I worked for decades in medical.. and I now wonder how many calls we made in the ER and the people werent really dead...

SHe was DEAD for 17 hours, no brain waves, and went through rigor. Obviously it didnt get a whole lot of press. I watched her speaking about it on youtiube.. heebie jeebies for sure. It happens more often than you think once you start researching it. I want the whole grave with a bell attacked to my toe or a walkie talkie in my coffin when I kick the bucket.. **shivers**

www.foxnews.com...

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I agree with you that we have fully met the accepted cryogenics ability. I also know these events have taken place before, but with this particular case, 3 hours is quite a suspended time of no heart beat. Wish there would be more medically as to possible brain or heart damage after resuscitation though.
Thanks for posting Saturn , always good to get your input!!

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That is a story that I have heard before, but probably not your friends incident. Funny how it seems that the elements are for the most part the cause and in turn the reason for such thing's taking place.
I am glad your friend survived and assume he is well, regardless of the effects passed onto him. As for the toe tag, I'd a kept it too!!!

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I am aware of the facilitation desires of cryonics, though there is little to no real new advancements being made other than embryonic stabilization for insemination, but there will be continued studies of these theories being useful, as long as we don't loose track of the effects during studies.

Nano technology is on the verge of being offered by science, it is claimed to be capable of repairing physical damage to the body tissues even on cellular level, and this repair includes damage caused by freezing, age and any other disease or disorder. Hence it is safe to say that cryogenic preservation is easy but its revival today is not possible, however this may not be said about the future, where it will be possible to not only revive humans, but rejuvenate them to their prime of life.

That was an exert from a news article Cryogenics and the future of man theories. Funny how we all long to live, but still remain afraid of death... "Go Figure!!"

Thanks for posting AMIAM!!

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And that is probably why this intrigues me to have OPed this thread. the ramifications of locking the mortal existence with immortal possibilities is quite appealing for our species, but then again, it would cause great stress on an already stressed ecosystem if we were to be able to live forever.
The NDE is only a fanciful part of the overall outcome of these events, what really is fascinating is that they are stem-cell researching and apparently successfully new facial re-conditioning creams and bacteria's from as far back as 34K years ago being resuscitated as well. Skies the limit I guess with these new discoveries and potential implications for all of "Living Kind" for lack of a better categorical identification.
Thanks for bringing up the NDE side of this, it is truly baffling how nature picks and chooses under such events!!

Originally posted by IAMIAM

Originally posted by SaturnFX
Once we have a way of mending broken cells from total freeze damage, then cryostasis will be the new way to be "buried". Anyone not signing up for cryogenics whom can afford it at this point is missing the boat for serious longevity.

Cryonics is the science of rapidly cooling living tissue.

Cryogenics is the manufacturing of liquid gasses.

Thanks, actually, Cryogenics is just studying very low temperature phenomona according to the dictionary, I guess Alcor's "cryogenics" has become blurred to me as a definition verses the name of a service..but enough hair splitting..lets say people-cicles

The problem with freezing tissue is that the liquid in the cell crystallizes and ruptures the cells membrane. On thawing, the once living cell is, as totally destroyed. What cryonics is attempting is to freeze the tissue rapidly enough that all molecular motion ceases, therefore crystallization never occurs. This has not been proven to work. If you managed to freeze something molecularly, you would need a method to thaw it just as rapidly. Otherwise in the thawing process you would cross the point where crystallization occurs and destroy the cells anyway.

Yes, and such tech at the moment is not available. There are plenty of working theories, but if your being frozen today and think you will be thawed out and revived next week, your being overly optimistic...such tech may be as short as 50 years, or as far as a couple hundred years away depending (hard to predict with any certainty when a functional nano-assembler will be finally developed..theoretically it was supposed to already be in some optimistic circles)

I think you are onto something in regards to having freezers in ambulances. The idea is not to freeze the body, but to maintain the temperature low enough that cellular decay is slowed.

There was some articles on this actually...I can't remember the details offhand, but basically they found a way to inject someone with something that literally froze things into place...some chemical injection, not sure, but ultimately it was to be used...erm..wait, I think I did a thread on this awhile back. (checks)

Yep...here it is Old ATS Thread about battlefield "freezing"
The meat of it:

DARPA initiative to extend soldier survivability after injury on the battlefield. From that research, Roth discovered that hydrogen sulfide (H2S), in small quantities, would put mammals in what was essentially a state of suspended animation. Hydrogen sulfide is toxic (it was used in chemical warfare in WWI) but in the right doses it can actively bond to oxygen receptors in your body. Replacing the need for oxygen allows mammals to lower their metabolic rates to absurdly low levels, but once the H2S is removed animals recover without any nasty side effects. Roth has found then what seems to be the perfect formula for keeping people alive after trauma. His newly formed company, Ikaria, is currently in phase II clinical trials for a liquid hydrogen sulfide product. In just a few years, suspended animation may be a common tool in hospitals and trauma centers all over the world.

So, a person near death can be injected with this and they suspend..from what was minutes left to live becomes hours and hours to casually work on them.

Anyhow, so it seems we are in the works now to extend critical timeframes from a couple minutes of actions to hours..that is bound to save plenty of lives just in itself...now, imagine this same new method enhanced and developed over years and decades...we may be seeing the startings of proper stasis...sleep for a few hundred years if you want, etc...who knows..just saying.

As for cryonic storage for the long term, perhaps for cloning.

Right, well, ultimately the only important bit to save will be the brain. the rest can be simply grown...but actually, a close second will be to simply keep the brain alive and develop tech to connect to the brain (matrix), then let the "brain in a box" live in a virtual reality of sorts..eventually connecting up to robotics in the external world for any outside activity it needs to get done..

ok, I am falling off the sci-fi goodness cliff here. heh (as you can tell, I am a fan of this transhumanist stuff)

Originally posted by Allred5923
reply to post by robinmorningstar

 

And that is probably why this intrigues me to have OPed this thread. the ramifications of locking the mortal existence with immortal possibilities is quite appealing for our species, but then again, it would cause great stress on an already stressed ecosystem if we were to be able to live forever.

Technology grows together overall. Imagine if you will a population of 200 billion. You are alive, Your children are alive, their children, their childrens children, etc...

Now, visually, you may see yourself simply wandering around earth, long lines to get a small bowl of rice, etc...this is under the assumption that the only science that ever develops will be just longevity. That is a critical error.

In such a world, things like entire biological systems are eliminated...you are more mechanical than biological and therefore tread very lightly on the earth considering you simply need a bit of energy to sustain your body. You want a giant steak dinner in a countryside mansion? sure...just go to your home (about the size of a small cell) plug in, and go into your very convincing personal virtual reality with you and your family/friends and have a meal.
The energy grid is fully green, most cities have been removed, and the world from a distance appears more like a lush forest than a population explosion (most structures are underground).

Technology moves together..and with a bit of digging, a picture starts being painted with all these different techs as to what our (not so distant) future looks like. First step though is for us to survive to see that if we want..and so cryonics development and other such things should be, in my opinion, heavily funded and invested. We care about cancer enough to blow billions on research, yet hardly anything is spent on suspended animation..why?

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Excellent story Advantage!!
I read the article, didn't watch the video but it does certainly put some light on the subject of physical death and it's aftermath.

Val Thomas was transferred to the Cleveland Clinic so that specialists could check her out, but doctors said they could find nothing wrong with her.

Read more: www.foxnews.com...

Not to go off of topic on my own thread, but I am a rather stout idealist of the "Ancient Alien Theory" and one of the principles for explanation of the Ancient Aliens having lived so long by their calendars, in some cases of ancient texts thousands of years, but back to the point, there is some speculation of DNA manipulation by means of their own DNA insemination to our species, maybe, just maybe that secret gene pops out in some cases. I know it sounds far fetched, but the implication is there as far as theories go. Not saying this is factual, but has any physician ever taken into consideration of finding an abnormality opposed to regular DNA structuring?
Thanks for your post, it really is a good contribution to this topic..."Wow!! 17 hours with rigor mortis setting in!!!" Unbelievable.... And lived to tell her story.....Very intriguing....

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Though as the proverbial answer fro the "here on earth" scenario, not very practical, but for interstellar space travel and exploration? quite a handy knowledge to have!!!
As for the H@S being used to sustain life expectancy, it sounds viable but dangerous at the same time. But with all these scientific contributions, we may well have a breed of astronauts that don't even need breathing apparatus!!

Originally posted by Advantage
I have a wild card for you... woman came back to life after rigor mortis. This story really gave me the heebie jeebies. I worked for decades in medical.. and I now wonder how many calls we made in the ER and the people werent really dead...

SHe was DEAD for 17 hours, no brain waves, and went through rigor. Obviously it didnt get a whole lot of press. I watched her speaking about it on youtiube.. heebie jeebies for sure. It happens more often than you think once you start researching it. I want the whole grave with a bell attacked to my toe or a walkie talkie in my coffin when I kick the bucket.. **shivers**

www.foxnews.com...

I wouldn't worry about that. The embalming fluid would eliminate any chances of being buried alive. Plus their is cremations. Sometimes they rush people through to them...

Yes, I have met someone who woke up in the morgue hours after being pronounced dead. The heart has been known to occasionally have an escape beat and restart. Normally though, after any significant amount of time has passed there will be serious levels of brain damage associated with such an event, and the person will never really be the same again.