BREAKING Gabrielle Giffords Shot: Congresswoman Reportedly Shot In Arizona [UPDATED]

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by Sinnthia

 

No you are putting words in my mouth, or reading too much into it. I am wishing that more people used the right, plain and simple.

You said "everyone" I did not know children were not everyone. So you do not want children to have guns, so not everyone then. So you agree that the concept that if everyone there could have open carried, this would have been different. Since, like I said, they could. You agree 9 year olds should not have guns so you are for some restrictions. Sorry if I am having trouble following your selective use of "everyone." My bad.

Originally posted by crimvelvet
Actually Switzerland HAS that law and it works out quite well. That is why Hitler decided to by-pass Switzerland.

Actually, I have a hard time believing you that Switzerland forces children 9 and young to take a competency test and then upon passing are forced to own a gun or upon failing are removed from the state. I am pretty sure you made that up.

reply to post by Sinnthia


Ok, I am going to assume you are not trolling, and answer the question. I think everyone above 14, that can pass a test that they know how to use a gun, should be able to. I have been shooting firearms since before then, got a bb gun, then a pellet gun, then a .22 etc etc. I knew much more about guns, how to use, and care for them by the time that I was 14 than most liberals that wish to ban guns. Seriously, liberals want to ban things that they don't even understand, the fools.

reply to post by TKDRL


Ok, I'm going to say something that's probably going to be pretty stupid, but here it goes. I don't think guns themselves are the problem, I mean a gun doesn't do anything by itself. It's the people who hold the gun that we should be worried about. There are a lot of responsible people who own guns and don't cause trouble. And then there are the other types of people who use guns to cause tragedies like this one.

i just found this, looks like the judge murdered made threats against obamas agenda

www.eutimes.net...

I've just had a text message from a friend who works for the BBC confirming that the shooter was a member of ATS, although she cannot confirm the member name.

ATS is one of a few sites that he was a member of that has been released to the AP (according to my source).

I don't know how reliable this information is as I don't know my source very well, but I know for certain she is a correspondent for the BBC.

EDIT: This is the text as I recieved it:

Hi Tony, Above top secret is one of the sites that was brought to our attention in regards to the article, whilst I cannot tell you the member name at this time, I will try to keep you updated as I get the information, regards xxxxxx

reply to post by Casandra


I think a system where a man is refused by the Army, thrown out of a college he attended until he could produce proof of mental stability, but then is able to buy a gun is lacking to say the least. I am sure it is not that difficult to change the system to not sell guns to people until proof of mental health is provided. Just like that college.

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by Sinnthia

 

Ok, I am going to assume you are not trolling, and answer the question. I think everyone above 14, that can pass a test that they know how to use a gun, should be able to. I have been shooting firearms since before then, got a bb gun, then a pellet gun, then a .22 etc etc. I knew much more about guns, how to use, and care for them by the time that I was 14 than most liberals that wish to ban guns. Seriously, liberals want to ban things that they don't even understand, the fools.

I am not sure you really have enough information for your opinion to make any sense. You said EVERYONE should have a gun and you said that OPEN CARRY could have prevented this. It happened in a state with OPEN CARRY and now you backpeddal from your claim that EVERYONE should have a gun.

The point is, the idea that this incident makes a good case for giving everyone a gun is pure BS. Even you see the absurdity in the idea of EVERYONE being armed. I never advocated BANNING a damn thing but looser gun laws will not save a 9 year old in a state where people can walk around with guns but she could not and might not have been a great shot anyway.

Good to see you alter your original stance to agree more with mine.

Originally posted by Casandra
reply to post by TKDRL

 

Ok, I'm going to say something that's probably going to be pretty stupid, but here it goes. I don't think guns themselves are the problem, I mean a gun doesn't do anything by itself. It's the people who hold the gun that we should be worried about. There are a lot of responsible people who own guns and don't cause trouble. And then there are the other types of people who use guns to cause tragedies like this one.

That is my point. A gun is nothing more than a tool and the idea that everyone having a gun creates a safer world is pure BS in the same way as the idea that giving everyone a hammer would make them a good carpenter. Owning a gun does not make people a hero. This line "if everyone had a gun this would not have happened" gets tossed around but everytime I ask "everyone?" I get the same responses. "Obviously not little children, or the blind, or people with no hands, or someone with severe parkinsons, or someone with dimentia, or ,etc...." Yeah, sounds like gun control, just different gun control. Just calling out the lie that is everyone being armed makes us safer.

The main point by TKRDL was that if this had been an open carry state, this would not happen. It was. It did. Not everyone should have a gun.

reply to post by woogleuk


Wow. That's pretty interesting. I wonder what this will mean for this site.

reply to post by Lebowski achiever


Increased traffic over the next few days I would imagine, that will be about it.

Unless they mention it in the news, in which case we will probably see a bunch of news members, and I imagine a few new trolls, heh.

Originally posted by woogleuk
I've just had a text message from a friend who works for the BBC confirming that the shooter was a member of ATS, although she cannot confirm the member name.

Hi Woogie,

Maybe like most people who work for MSM organisations, your friend probably gets their info from ATS.....

The Secret's Out: Internet Media Is Beginning to Report That Jared Loughner Is a Member Of Abovetop

CX.

reply to post by CX


I never thought about it that way, hehe, although I doubt this lady had even heard of ATS before I asked her // this story. Very prim and proper, not the sorts to be snooping around conspiracy sites, that being said, she is probably getting second hand information, who knows who at the BBC is an ATS'er, maybe Trevor McDonald, now that would be something (oh, wait, he's ITV, nevermind).

reply to post by Lebowski achiever


Technically I would be rejected by the army. Does that make me a threat? You have no idea why I was or would be rejected but you post and claim as if you do. There are things that even would disqualify me but would not raise the red flag that you want...yet you have penned your views to fit the means. That is good.

reply to post by Sinnthia


You really don't get it do you? The state it happened in, has an open carry right. People there didn't use their right, because they didn't feel the need to or whatever. Had this happened at a republican gathering(If the trend in this open carry state is the same as the open carry state I have gone to rallies in, the democrats didn't use it, the republicans did), then 3/4 of the crowd would be armed, and the dude would be swiss cheese after a few shots. Are you with me? People didn't use their rights, and a madman took advantage of that.

Something weird seems up to me.

The MSM is reporting all over the place that the guy was obsessed with the gold standard..
I see really psychotic currency talk but NOTHING- not a thing about the gold standard?

Also MSNBC is saying that his is like 'the Oklahoma Bombing.'

What? Man, I thought this Jared guy was crazy.

Originally posted by Casandra
reply to post by TKDRL

 

Ok, I'm going to say something that's probably going to be pretty stupid, but here it goes. I don't think guns themselves are the problem, I mean a gun doesn't do anything by itself. It's the people who hold the gun that we should be worried about. There are a lot of responsible people who own guns and don't cause trouble. And then there are the other types of people who use guns to cause tragedies like this one.

I agree with you. You did say something stupid.

A gun makes it so much easier for a crazy person, or an angry person, or simply a mistaken or confused person to take a life -- to kill. It is human to err. Why make it easier for the consequences to be fatal? Its one thing to fcuk up with a fist, or words, or whatever, but when you do it with a gun there is no saying "sorry".

You're right. It's people. That is why you shouldn't give them guns. That is why Jared shouldn't have been sold his.

reply to post by wayno


If guns were illegal there, and he couldn't get his hand on an illegal gun, he could have used a bat, or a knife, or a car. Making it harder for people that obey the law to get a gun, does not make it any harder for those that don't obey the law to get a gun. Someone that will break the law by assaulting someone with a weapon, is somehow gonna say "Aw shucks, guns are illegal, dang! Now I can't go on my rampage!"

www.salon.com...

According to police and media reports, the alleged shooter, Jared Lee Loughner, legally purchased a semiautomatic Glock 19 with a high-capacity magazine in November at a gun store in Tucson. Under the assault weapons ban, it was illegal to manufacture or sell new high-capacity magazines, defined as those that hold more than 10 rounds. The magazines used by Loughner had 31 rounds each, according to police.

It is my opinion that nobody needs to have a pistol that is capable of holding 31 rounds in a single clip. I think this law needs in be renewed on a federal level.

reply to post by bluemooone2


I have hi-cap magazines. My pistol came standard with 2 17 round magazines.

I have several friends who use hi-cap magazines.

None of us have killed anyone.


Let's not penalize those of us who obey the law because one of us wasn't sane.

According to media reports there were so many red flags about this kid that it even creeped out his fellow students and teacher at the community college he attended. They were quoted as saying "I was afraid to turn around and face the chalkboard for fear that he had a gun" others in this class were quoted as saying "I sat by the door".

What we need to address is how we treat mental illness in this country. It's all too easy to blame the stuff and people and politics, but when it comes to the facts we need to do the hard work of dealing with reality and keeping perspective. This Brady background check already covers mental health issues. If you have been committed to a mental institution in the last 5 years you don't get a gun.

We need to understand and fix the problems that kept this young man from getting the help he needed. If he had received the help he so OBVIOUSLY needed no one would be talking about this because Mrs. Giffords would be at home enjoying another morning with her husband, a little girl would be alive, Federal Judge would be taking new sets of cases, a young man would have dreamed up a way to break into political office, and the rest would be able to sleep when they got home.