Obama Eyeing Internet ID for Americans

reply to post by ModernAcademia


WOW, thanks a lot Wikileaks.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
WOW, thanks a lot Wikileaks.

I am not a Wikileaks supporter but to blame the exposer of injustice and lies does not make sense
you have to blame the guilty

If anything you have to commend the exposer
the only question is if wikileaks is really an exposer

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
WOW, thanks a lot Wikileaks.

How dare you blame this on Wikileaks? What possible argument can you have for making such a sweeping generalization?

reply to post by ModernAcademia


Regardless of your personal views on wikileaks, their "exposures" especially international cables will serve to both promote domestic cyber security agendas, and to eventually create an international standard cyber security program that many, and perhaps all nations of the world can support and agree upon.

Wow, this is just incredible. How much longer?

Originally posted by beezzer
Frog, pot, boiling water. . . .

BUT!!!!!

That'll mean a whole new market for phony ID cards.
cha-ching!

Oh not just phony id's there brother, the government itself can then charge for internet id's and require that you have them on top of it, just like the id's we carry. make no mistake, money will be made from governments on this by the initial cost, a possible tax and expirations/renewals. If you want to use the internet, you have to register.. no id? just go to internet_registry.gub and start using he internet today!

Originally posted by Fractured.Facade
Regardless of your personal views on wikileaks, their "exposures" especially international cables will serve to both promote domestic cyber security agendas, and to eventually create an international standard cyber security program that many, and perhaps all nations of the world can support and agree upon.

Bah
Wikileaks mostly released gossip cables
OMG this leader in the middle east drinks alot
or OMG this russian PM has a really sexy secretary

pshhhhh......
They are probably a branch of the CIA
Even Stalin spoke of leading the opposition, this is nothing new

However...........
If you blame wikileaks you might as well blame Rolling Stone, NY Times, National Post, MSNBC etc...

Originally posted by Fractured.Facade
Regardless of your personal views on wikileaks, their "exposures" especially international cables will serve to both promote domestic cyber security agendas, and to eventually create an international standard cyber security program that many, and perhaps all nations of the world can support and agree upon.

So?

Does that make what they are doing right?

If it wasn't Wikileaks they would use some other excuse, some other site: Cryptogon, IRC, who knows, who cares. The reason, the site, doesn't matter. They are statists and control freaks. They can't stand the Internet. They will use any excuse to crush freedom and stifle dissent.

Stop blaming the victims. Direct your gaze at the perpetrators.

The fact is technology is the enemy of Government. Government needs a majority of the population to remain stupid or they can't do all of the crooked things they do. Technology threatens this and as the world becomes global Governments should decrease.

This is because Governments are an extenstion of a tribal mentality. In the new global world where people have access to technology, Governments will lose their control because part of their control is based on selling you fear and depending on your ignorance.

If we don't spend a trillion the world will end. If we don't go to war then we will see a mushroom cloud in America.

As technology advances and access to information increases, Governments will try to tighten their grip and control over people by controlling the way technology is used.

reply to post by ModernAcademia


No need to blame anyone... It is what it is.

Just sit back and watch as governments now work together to overhaul the internet and change it from what we have now... Completely.

Controlling the flow information on the internet will eventually be a top priority, even in the US... Coincidence?

Being able to identify, track and locate any source of any material (accurately) on the internet will become mandatory... Coincidence?

Just sit back and watch them move only these two agendas forward.

In the future when you realize how much things have changed will it really matter who you have to blame for it?

What bothers me is they cant stop # now, and they keep making laws/regs and crap that screw the people who arent breaking laws or hurting anyone. *Cough* patriot act ahem, sorry did I, oh yea..Thats not just the internet, more law doesnt = better outcomes, it just pisses people off, makes things harder on everyone else and even makes more people "criminals." Then we're told its for our own safety, and how its a matter of national security.

Whats next? No id no website? internet Id must be commercial to sell product? Fines for people with no ids using your website? Oh wait here it is, you are creating a safehaven for no id terrorists, id theft and hackers! the possibilities with this are humongous and people will hate it.

double post ftw!
Hi mom! dad! doin fine! hows the dog!
heh

Did anyone see this in this original article linked to:

In March 2009, Rod Beckstrom, director of Homeland Security's National Cybersecurity Center, resigned through a letter that gave a rare public glimpse into the competition for budgetary dollars and cybersecurity authority. Beckstrom said at the time that the NSA "effectively controls DHS cyber efforts through detailees, technology insertions," and has proposed moving some functions to the agency's Fort Meade, Md., headquarters.

So, the Department of Homeland Security, at least online, is a No Such Agency front. This Cyber ID effort, being an online effort, is a No Such Agency tracking initiative.

What a pleasant bunch of law abiding citizens these gentle folk are.

reply to post by timewalker


yes it is more than a little worrying, ever read sci-fi writter : William Gibson... Neuromancer , 1984 ... he wrote about 'ICE (Intrusion Countermeasures Electronics)"

More big government, we've lost another battle.
Why is it a given that the Department of Commerce has the credentials to do this. Will they have to expand their governmental footprint by enlarging or even creating a population of computer scientists and engineers, along with computer labs? The government's attempts to modernize and expand its own computer systems have been historically a shambles. Even outsourcing to private corporations (which Commerce appears to be enmeshed and not independent of) has historically boondoggled and slush funded for the corporations. (cf Bowing and military contracts as examples) IBM contracted in the '80s to build a Traycon system for the airports and airlines to the tune of five Billion dollars (when billion was big money) and tried for years before capitulating. They lost the five billion with no result. All this has the hallmarks of another fiasco which will take a decade to notice and squeal about.
IF the government cant event protects the boarders from "REAL" people, how are they going to protect us from "VIRTUAL THREATS”? It’s another waste of time... makes them look busy to the people that think they actually do anything useful

This is worrisome somewhat, i suggest you start writing letters to your local deputy and start pulling the complaint trigger.Anonymity is a right.

Originally posted by ModernAcademia
I had the urge during the creation of the thread to say "Obama voters first"
But that would not have been productive

However people should at least understand that this is nowhere from being close to a high priority

Obama is far more dangerous than Bush
Bush was Bush, Obama is Bush with a smile
Obama is Bush but with his family all smiling on calendars
People at my work have Obama's face printed with Martin Luther King Jr hanging on their cubile walls

He's Bush with respect, that is very dangerous!!!

Originally posted by Fractured.Facade
If you believe that any security or privacy exists currently on the internet, then you'd be a fool.

Between privacy and spying there's red tape
With Internet IDs they are bypassing ISPs
So yes it's quite a change, it now becomes real-time tracking on the internet

Completely different from what we have now

edit on 8-1-2011 by ModernAcademia because: (no reason given)

You nailed it. Starred and Flagged by the way.

Oh how thoughtful of our savior Obama to think of such a wonderful thing in the midst of all the other issues he must address, such as unemployment and the economy!

So how long till it's not voluntary but compulsory?

"Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes":

I fear the Greeks, even those bearing gifts.

reply to post by Surfrat


The timing is of all of this is interesting. Daley just gets named Chief of Staff with the sole purpose of getting Obama elected. Remember that Daley was actually AGAINST Obamacare and pushed the anti-union NAFTA. Daley used to be Commerce Secretary. A couple of days after his appointment, this comes out and it will be under the Commerce Dept, which Daley obviously has strong ties to. The Daleys have been cheating people for decades and are the definition of a power politics family.

Daley just finished a gig at JP Morgan. You can look for firms with venture cash and initial dept financing coming from JP Morgan getting major roles here. It will be no different than Michael Chertoff running the firm that is pushing the airport scanners and making a ton of dough by influencing public policy and naturally being able to provide a solution to an invented problem.

The government can not even effectively secure its own transmissions, despite viable encryption solutions available which would enable them to do so. The only reason this would even be something considered a reasonable thing to do is because it is about two things control by the government and a ton of dough to certain private interests.

I don't believe the government will be able to pull this off due to the complexity and their sheer incompetence. That does not matter though in the commercial sense. A failed effort is still as profitable as a successful one and in many cases more so. What could be better than getting paid a ton of dough for a project that will never be finished. Its the gift that keeps on giving. The very nature of the internet means that the firms engaged in this work will never see the revenue stream end.

Just starting this effort will make some folks very wealthy. Following the money on this deal will be fascinating - but again, thats why they want to control the internet - they want to eliminate all transparency from their corrupt practices. Using the threat of government to quell the free flow of ideas and information is a brilliant tactic. It won't work, but its a brilliant tactic non the less.

It is called a MAC address. And it already exists.

reply to post by Matrix Rising


It's not just technology, but creativity in general that is dangerous to TPTB
all their plans could collapse like a house of cards all because somebody suddenly had an idea
or came up with something new.

getting back to the topic, there's no need to panic though:
a computer can only do what its programed to do
the reason we know about about the spyware and backdoors in OS's is because hackers have been through the
code and experimented, there are tweaks and hacks fore eliminating these things,
or just use xp,98, or Linux
you can create a local network in your home or community for sharing access to files, not just media

to my fellow downloaders: same here, you can also back up websites with a web spider

also hackers are already working on Internet 3.0

look up the term "Darknet"

ultimately if you refuse to play by their rules
or even refuse to play their game
there's not much they can do about it

TPTB don't' really have any power, what they have is called dominion
there is a difference between the two.